#1
15 October 2013 - 02:29 PM
However the behavior of the walkers at the prison is very different. Before the walkers would be wandering and become "docile" if "food" was not near by. On occasion the group had to make noise to attract them to the fence for various reasons.
From what was shown in the season opener it seems that the are targeting the prison, more and more coming. They don't seem to be roaming aimlessly any more. They have a "drive" to push that fence down and get the "food". I don't think it has to do with the increase population at the prison. Woodbury had a good size group and we never saw that problem there, just the occasional roamer lumbering along without a real seems of purpose until they got close enough to the barrier only to be easily shot. The lack of walkers as well as lack of intensity on their part made it easy for Andrea to jump in and kill one. I don't think anyone at the prison would jump in to the walkers they are facing. Even if the walkers along the fence were less their intensity on getting in is higher.
This all brings me to wonder if over time the walkers are evolving or being affected by the new mystery virus in a way to cause this change. I cant remember if we were told the new "threat" affects everyone including walkers making them more dangerous.
Any thoughts?
#2
15 October 2013 - 02:35 PM
Kid brought up a good point that I agree with regarding Clara on first sight also thought "talking walker?" The makeup job on her was great and the hair (reminded me of the kid in "The Ring) helped. Obviously she was not a walker.
However the behavior of the walkers at the prison is very different. Before the walkers would be wandering and become "docile" if "food" was not near by. On occasion the group had to make noise to attract them to the fence for various reasons.
From what was shown in the season opener it seems that the are targeting the prison, more and more coming. They don't seem to be roaming aimlessly any more. They have a "drive" to push that fence down and get the "food". I don't think it has to do with the increase population at the prison. Woodbury had a good size group and we never saw that problem there, just the occasional roamer lumbering along without a real seems of purpose until they got close enough to the barrier only to be easily shot. The lack of walkers as well as lack of intensity on their part made it easy for Andrea to jump in and kill one. I don't think anyone at the prison would jump in to the walkers they are facing. Even if the walkers along the fence were less their intensity on getting in is higher.
This all brings me to wonder if over time the walkers are evolving or being affected by the new mystery virus in a way to cause this change. I cant remember if we were told the new "threat" affects everyone including walkers making them more dangerous.
Any thoughts?
I've been wondering the same thing and I'm not crazy about the idea of "evolving" walkers. It can and has gone to absurd places in other zombie films.
George Romero's movies are a classic example.
In Dawn of the Dead, they were mindless flesh-eating ghouls. In Day of the Dead, a zombie learns to talk, and by the time we get to Land of the Dead, a zombie is carrying a gun and leading his group of "troops" to take revenge on the humans for constantly looting his turf.
Don't wanna go there on The Walking Dead.
Shield yourself from those not bound to you by steel, for they are the blind. Aid them when you can, but lose not sight of yourself.
#3
15 October 2013 - 02:41 PM
#4
15 October 2013 - 02:51 PM
Kid brought up a good point that I agree with regarding Clara on first sight also thought "talking walker?" The makeup job on her was great and the hair (reminded me of the kid in "The Ring) helped. Obviously she was not a walker.
However the behavior of the walkers at the prison is very different. Before the walkers would be wandering and become "docile" if "food" was not near by. On occasion the group had to make noise to attract them to the fence for various reasons.
From what was shown in the season opener it seems that the are targeting the prison, more and more coming. They don't seem to be roaming aimlessly any more. They have a "drive" to push that fence down and get the "food". I don't think it has to do with the increase population at the prison. Woodbury had a good size group and we never saw that problem there, just the occasional roamer lumbering along without a real seems of purpose until they got close enough to the barrier only to be easily shot. The lack of walkers as well as lack of intensity on their part made it easy for Andrea to jump in and kill one. I don't think anyone at the prison would jump in to the walkers they are facing. Even if the walkers along the fence were less their intensity on getting in is higher.
This all brings me to wonder if over time the walkers are evolving or being affected by the new mystery virus in a way to cause this change. I cant remember if we were told the new "threat" affects everyone including walkers making them more dangerous.
Any thoughts?
I don't think the zombies are evolving. The walkers at the prison can see the humans. This was not so at WB because WB had walls that the walkers couldn't see through. Not only can the walkers see through the fence, but people are at the fence killing them, not across the yard. Also, TG had strict rules at WB about sounds and sights, including a curfew. The walkers have been "drawn" to the fence at the prison by all the activity that wasn't present at WB.
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#5
15 October 2013 - 02:58 PM
#6
15 October 2013 - 03:06 PM
I don't think the zombies are evolving. The walkers at the prison can see the humans. This was not so at WB because WB had walls that the walkers couldn't see through. Not only can the walkers see through the fence, but people are at the fence killing them, not across the yard. Also, TG had strict rules at WB about sounds and sights, including a curfew. The walkers have been "drawn" to the fence at the prison by all the activity that wasn't present at WB.
Good points here.
Also, we've seen feeding issues that were brought up with Clara's dead husband.
Are they more pissed off and aggressive because they haven't eaten in a long time? Milton said they become docile if they go long enough without eating. But do they become more aggressive before they become more docile?
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#7
15 October 2013 - 03:09 PM
Good points here.
Also, we've seen feeding issues that were brought up with Clara's dead husband.
Are they more pissed off and aggressive because they haven't eaten in a long time? Milton said they become docile if they go long enough without eating. But do they become more aggressive before they become more docile?
Good questions... I know I become more irritable when I haven't eaten or slept in a while. They have done neither, and since they were once human, I guess it is possible. I also could see becoming more aggressive in an attempt to find food before the body begins to slow down to conserve energy.
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#8
15 October 2013 - 03:11 PM
Plus ud think george romero has to know he went down the wrong path with day & land. Given how popular night & dawn is & yet the others are not so. So heres to mindless flesh eaters!!!
#9
15 October 2013 - 03:17 PM
Season1: Man Vs. Zombie (super smart zombies. able to hold and use simple tools, climb fences, latters, crawl under busses)
Season2: Man Vs. Zombies (Typical zombie. mangable as individuals, strong as group) (My Ideal TWD Zombie)
Season3: Man Vs. Man (totally week zombies. walk around with little interst. give up on fedding if you are simply behind a door).
Season4: Man V.s ???: but for far the zombies are looking more like season 2
#10
15 October 2013 - 03:32 PM
Yea ive never been into the "smart" zombie. When clara? Started talking I thought "plz god no!" Thinking they were going there. I sooooo hope not.
Plus ud think george romero has to know he went down the wrong path with day & land. Given how popular night & dawn is & yet the others are not so. So heres to mindless flesh eaters!!!
Romeros ‘problem solving’ zombies started back in the opening of Night of the Living Dead with the late Bill Hinzmans cemetery zombie. He was the first noted zed that seemed somewhat capable of performing very basic and simple problem solving logic. He tries the door handle to get into the car. He tries to smash his hands on the glass. When that doesn’t work what does he do? ? He reaches down and grabs a rock to smash the window. It was a theme that progressed a bit in each film (and yes into eventual ridiculousness although I admit I do love Bub) but regardless was still fascinating and scary none the less - and his zombies to human parallels were brilliant. That being said, I dont think the WD zombies are evolving. A few may have displayed retention of random insinuations of past memories (Door knob, using a rock, trying to climb or even get up from the ground) but I really dont think thats anything more then what we have seen before in the Romero world. Im fine with it as long as its nothing more then that.
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#11
15 October 2013 - 03:39 PM
yes! Land of The Dead was soooo fuckin stupid! As soon as that zombie grabbed the rifle off that guys back it was an instant facepalm! If Walking Dead goes anywhere close to that movie, itll ruin the entire show for me!
As for that ladies husbands head "slowing", i think it was slowing because it was just a head, "food" goes in its mouth an right out its neck....
As far as the bloody eye walkers an Patrick,im hoping its just some disease that isnt related to the zombie virus!!!
#12
15 October 2013 - 03:40 PM
They seemed smarter in season 1, if you ask me.
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"Yeah, there's no "U" either. So I guess if I'm not on the team, and you're not on the team, nobody's on the God damn team. The team sucks!"
#13
15 October 2013 - 03:47 PM
I also think they are attracting walkers to the prison with the constant presence of the livestock in the yard. The walkers can see them and smell them. They work out in the yard on the garden, and the kids are apparently allowed to wander the yard. That seems like a lot of activity to me, activity that attracts the walkers. Then more walkers are probably attracted to a group of milling walkers, and a build-up happens.
#14
15 October 2013 - 03:48 PM
#15
15 October 2013 - 03:48 PM
I think walkers are actually deteriorating over time just as a corpse would rot only more slowly. I really doubt the show is going to start introducing zombie characters with anything more than a primitive level of cognizance. It would completely change the show. And not for the better.
#16
15 October 2013 - 03:56 PM
#17
15 October 2013 - 04:14 PM
Good questions... I know I become more irritable when I haven't eaten or slept in a while. They have done neither, and since they were once human, I guess it is possible. I also could see becoming more aggressive in an attempt to find food before the body begins to slow down to conserve energy.
True, but I had thought that if the Zombies were "starving" they'd become weaker and continue to decompose making them even weaker not "aggressive". I also get what you mean about the walkers being attracted to the people by the fence. It hasn't been shown but I thought the people were there killing them because they had to, the constant build up of walkers and pressure on the fence meant a constant group of people at the fence killing them hopefully before they become overwhelmed.
In last season when they killed them at the fence sometimes they had to draw them in (when Carol wanted a cadaver and Glen wanted a ring) even then they diddnt show as much aggression or strength.
The other thing that has me wondering is why such large groups are zeroing in on the prison? I understand about the livestock but I think they keep them far from the perimeter. Hershel had plenty of livestock on the farm yet what brought on the Zombie horde seems to have been sound (helicopter/gunshots).
If there is a virus spreading isn't there a chance it would affect the walkers as well affecting them, changing their behavior. I know I used the word "evolved" that was to cover Clara in all this because I did think for a moment "talking Zombies"??? That woulda been the shark jump for me.
#18
15 October 2013 - 05:10 PM
Judging by the sneak peeks for next weeks episode, which we obviously can't talk about here, there is at least one good reason why they are grouping up. Just wanted to point out that we don't have the full story yet on their changed behavior..I don't think they are evolving at all.
I also think they are attracting walkers to the prison with the constant presence of the livestock in the yard. The walkers can see them and smell them. They work out in the yard on the garden, and the kids are apparently allowed to wander the yard. That seems like a lot of activity to me, activity that attracts the walkers. Then more walkers are probably attracted to a group of milling walkers, and a build-up happens.
The smell of the livestock is a really good point. Animals like pigs stink to high heaven. That stench could draw in several walkers and the other activity keep them around.
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#19
15 October 2013 - 05:15 PM
True, but I had thought that if the Zombies were "starving" they'd become weaker and continue to decompose making them even weaker not "aggressive". I also get what you mean about the walkers being attracted to the people by the fence. It hasn't been shown but I thought the people were there killing them because they had to, the constant build up of walkers and pressure on the fence meant a constant group of people at the fence killing them hopefully before they become overwhelmed.
In last season when they killed them at the fence sometimes they had to draw them in (when Carol wanted a cadaver and Glen wanted a ring) even then they diddnt show as much aggression or strength.
The other thing that has me wondering is why such large groups are zeroing in on the prison? I understand about the livestock but I think they keep them far from the perimeter. Hershel had plenty of livestock on the farm yet what brought on the Zombie horde seems to have been sound (helicopter/gunshots).
If there is a virus spreading isn't there a chance it would affect the walkers as well affecting them, changing their behavior. I know I used the word "evolved" that was to cover Clara in all this because I did think for a moment "talking Zombies"??? That woulda been the shark jump for me.
Last season, the group spoke of herd in the vicinity, but we never really saw one. Maybe there are more around because a small herd past by drawn by the smell of the livestock, which I am not so sure is kept that far from the fence. Rick was stirring them up with his gardening. I don't think the animal pen is that far from the garden and animals such as pigs stink to high heaven, so I think they could be smelt from anywhere in the immediate vicinity of the prison.
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#20
15 October 2013 - 05:18 PM
Romeros ‘problem solving’ zombies started back in the opening of Night of the Living Dead with the late Bill Hinzmans cemetery zombie. He was the first noted zed that seemed somewhat capable of performing very basic and simple problem solving logic. He tries the door handle to get into the car. He tries to smash his hands on the glass. When that doesn’t work what does he do? ? He reaches down and grabs a rock to smash the window. It was a theme that progressed a bit in each film (and yes into eventual ridiculousness although I admit I do love Bub) but regardless was still fascinating and scary none the less - and his zombies to human parallels were brilliant. That being said, I dont think the WD zombies are evolving. A few may have displayed retention of random insinuations of past memories (Door knob, using a rock, trying to climb or even get up from the ground) but I really dont think thats anything more then what we have seen before in the Romero world. Im fine with it as long as its nothing more then that.
That's fantastic, it reads like the intro to a historical overview of zombies in film.
And, fence climbing, too, although someone mentioned that. Heck, I don't think they should be able to negotiate stairs all that well, if you think about it. Maybe on all fours.Didn't a zombie in the first season of TWD smash a glass door with a rock? And didn't Morgan's zombie wife try using the door handle?
They seemed smarter in season 1, if you ask me.
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15 October 2013 - 05:20 PM
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15 October 2013 - 06:15 PM
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15 October 2013 - 06:43 PM
#24
15 October 2013 - 08:37 PM
Judging by the sneak peeks for next weeks episode, which we obviously can't talk about here, there is at least one good reason why they are grouping up. Just wanted to point out that we don't have the full story yet on their changed behavior..I don't think they are evolving at all.
I also think they are attracting walkers to the prison with the constant presence of the livestock in the yard. The walkers can see them and smell them. They work out in the yard on the garden, and the kids are apparently allowed to wander the yard. That seems like a lot of activity to me, activity that attracts the walkers. Then more walkers are probably attracted to a group of milling walkers, and a build-up happens.
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15 October 2013 - 08:49 PM
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