[JesusMonroe]

Negan is just like anyone would be in the post ZA.... his latent personality traits come out in a consequence free environment. In Negan's case, anti-social and psychopathic traits. Rick would do well to study up on his Andrew Carnegie's "How To Win Friends And Influence People." I don't admire Negan, but I understand where he's likely coming from. He's been VERY reasonable to a fault (which will get him killed eventually...) with Rick who is the real true psychopath in training. Rick really should have just formed an alliance/partnership with Negan after a year or so of paying him tribute. But an antisocial psychopath like Rick doesn't play well with anyone.

It would be quite difficult to form a friendship with a guy who bashed your best friend's skull in. I can just imagine them sitting their having drinks when a new recruit comes up and is like

Recruit: Wow! You two sure are great pals. How did you meet?
Rick: ...
Negan: ...

[BrenGun]

I think that Rick's anger over Glen's death was more ego driven than anything. A sort of you stole my ball and humbled me in front of my group and I can't get back at you right now sort of thing. I mean, I'm sure that he liked Glen alot, but Rick lost ALOT of good friends and probably better friends (like Shane...) and people that he knew better and longer (like Lori...) than Glen.
I still think that the two could have worked together in an antagonistic fashion before the whole attempted shooting him in the back and corny "you ever hear the one about a guy who brought a baseball bat to a gunfight?" joke... I mean, both guys are fixated on bringing about a new sort of society and on rules, punishing the wrong-doers and defending what is theirs. Rick and Negan, a partnership ruined by Rick's hasty and thoughtless big balled approach.
And I certainly don't think that Rick and Negan's partnership would be about friendship...

[JesusMonroe]

Rick definitely cared deeply about Glenn. It was one of the few times Rick has cried and after his death, he started talking about how good Glenn was and he was one of the last truly good people left. After Abraham's death, Rick just said, "I'm already forgetting about him."

[I R Biter]

Rick has been presented as a character who genuinely cares about people. Glen was his friend.

[Mr. NomNom]

It would be quite difficult to form a friendship with a guy who bashed your best friend's skull in. I can just imagine them sitting their having drinks when a new recruit comes up and is like

Recruit: Wow! You two sure are great pals. How did you meet?
Rick: ...
Negan: ...

Ha....I'm sure rick wouldn't kniw what to say...negan however would just come out and say how they met and what he did.



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[DHeav60]

I'm surprised we haven't seen Negan attempt to recruit anyone from ASZ or Hilltop. I mean - the Saviors have the largest force of fighters, and from what we've seen of the Saviors - they (at least most of them) seem to be buying into Negan's "point system". I wonder what the pitch is for new recruits? It simply cannot be "Join us or die" - that's not a great motivator. It may work for a short term, but Negan strikes me as the person who is dedicated to long term planning maintaining control of the power base that he has built. Although I very much enjoyed the story arc of Spencer being gutted by Negan - you would think that Negan might have another approach to insubordinate and/or dissatisfied members of foreign communities.

[Chryz707]

If you are keeping score, Negan is slighty more brutal than Rick, Ricks group has only had good intentions from the beginning. Maybe Negans group did too, but then his group got so big that he had to become an enforcer to ensure his own safety. With "All out War" looming I can tell this is gonna be a very bloody war and think by the end of this there will be very few characters remaining! I think we are in for a wash out and will get a whole lot of new survivors after the war. My prediction is that The Saviors, The Kingdom and ASZ will be together without Negan in the end.

[BrenGun]

Negan probably is set up as a character to show as a counterpoint to Rick if Rick went too far. Negan was probably a much more likable and easy going guy when he founded the Saviors. There's just so much about his backstory that we may unfortunately may never know about. But I still say that Negan is just the end result of a Rick that has (and is currently) going too far.

[Mr. NomNom]

You're the bad guy the second you demand supplies then kill people if they don't meet your demands other than trading....which is what negan does...except he offers "protection" for supplies. This is where rick saw the opportunity oh hell, we'll protect you and kill negan so you are safe and you don't need to give us that much in supplies, plus we won't kill your people. I don't understand how you think negan is a good guy after all that.

[DaneBramage]

Hey look I don't know what the confusion is here. Sometimes you gotta kill some fuck wads so the other fuck wads fall into line.When they fuck up kill some more. You can't disrupt the natural order of things and expect there to be no consequences. If you gonna play you gotta pay. Ask Dwight....

[mADAM Scorpious]

Negan is a tyrant? But there is no democracy in Alexandria either and who is Rick if not a tyrant, ok perhaps not a tyrant but an authoritarian leader?

I'd like to note that this is no longer a ricktatorship and the ASZ has been running like a city council post douglas.

[mADAM Scorpious]

Is it just me or does anyone else get that Negan is America?

[JesusMonroe]

Is it just me or does anyone else get that Negan is America?

Uhh...no. I missed that

[Canon_108]

vil·lain
[vil-uhn] Show IPA

noun
1.
a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness orcrime; scoundrel.
2.
a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evilagency in the plot


Yep, think that about covers it...

[Mr. NomNom]

vil·lain
[vil-uhn] Show IPA

noun
1.
a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness orcrime; scoundrel.
2.
a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evilagency in the plot


Yep, think that about covers it...

Ok, I'm convinced. Negan is truly our hero.

[DaneBramage]

Is it just me or does anyone else get that Negan is America?

I don't get that at all. If any thing he compares best to Stalin/Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany. His tactics are more Stalin-esque than Hitlerian. The Hill France, and the Kingdom U.K. and the AFZ is the US

[That_Guy_From_NY]

Negan gives Rick and his people slack because they scare the hell out of him. Negan realizes these people are fighters since they killed so many of his men.

Negan walks all over the Hilltop because Gregory is such a pussy. Negan killed 3 hilltop people and got Gregory stabbed...Rick tried to kill Negan for killing a guy he didn't even like. It seems if you have balls, Negan keeps his distance.

This makes Negan more of a bully than an actual villain, because if you fight back he'll back off.

I completely agree with this. Since his very first appearance I could tell that Negan was nothing more than a middle school bully. He's smart but he's arrogant; he thought of himself as invincible but Rick and co are the first people he's encountered that have really threatened him. Before, he was able to do anything he wanted to anyone at any moment with no fear, so he acted completely on impulse (but his intelligence mad him take precautions as well) and took whatever he wanted because no one would stand up to him. In his mind the new world was HIS world, I think he might have even had a bit of a God complex. Now that Rick has shown him that he can indeed be vulnerable, he is much more timid and weary of pissing Rick off further. Now that it's clear that Rick is GOING to attack him, Negan feels he has to go all out, but I suspect that even though he's smart, his unfamiliarity with being in a position where there is the possibility of losing is going to be what gets him killed.

It's clear from his disregard for other people that he doesn't (or didn't) care about how his actions effected other people, he's made too many enemies because it never occurred to him that he could lose. Now for the first time, he's in over his head and he's desperate and scared.

At least that's my take on the character and his mind set.

[mADAM Scorpious]

I don't get that at all. If any thing he compares best to Stalin/Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany. His tactics are more Stalin-esque than Hitlerian. The Hill France, and the Kingdom U.K. and the AFZ is the US

Negan is like stalin in how he leads his men(do as youre commanded or die basically, but technically the asz is more communist than the sanctuary since one must earn points to buy goods at the sanctuary and the saviours conquer other areas for the resources for their goods(capitalism), whereas the asz appears to give everyone a job and equally distribute the goods(socialism). Yes it mirrors ww2 in the way that america gets involved to aid in the fight against the axis (would that make Glenn's death Pearl Harbour?)