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Actually debating is polite so I appreciate your response :)

I tend to be a bit contrarian so I always expect some disagreement.
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Actually debating is polite so I appreciate your response :)

I tend to be a bit contrarian so I always expect some disagreement.


We need people like you on this forum! Its one of the things that makes this forum so interesting! I often enjoy reading your opinions. It makes me think about things that I didn't even consider before.
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Actually debating is polite so I appreciate your response :)

I tend to be a bit contrarian so I always expect some disagreement.


No I agree I was just saying that I didn't want you to think I was being mean as I looked over two things you recently said and replied to them with much consideration and didn't just disregard them of have a one sentence mean answer like some people have done to them
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Just rewatch This Sorrowful Life and see how Michonne was able to reach him and how sad she was when he left. They have fought and I think each has a lot of respect for each other. I'm not saying they would have a romance like Glen and Maggie; they would have been more like wild animals getting wild as Merle would have said. But I think there was a definite bond between them.

And again I'm in a minority but I don't think Merle was nearly as racist as he was made out to be. And yes I know he used a bad word!


I actually find this "what if" VERY interesting. It would have made for a riveting arc. Improbable, yes. Impossible? No. Fascinating? DEFINITELY.
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:: Rubs hands together:: My Oh my.. so many directions... Hmmm I think we needed at least one of the prisoners to survive. Either Axel or Oscar. For both of them to die I felt was a waste. It felt.. hookey... like someone said about the red shirt... You always laughed when Lt smith went out with Kirk, Spock and Mc'coy. So yeah ONE of them needed to survive to be the tie-in. T-Dog.... once they started building him up he was engaging. I cheered when he broke formation and grabbed that shield so he should have stayed. That and Milton.. I don't know.. something about Milton I identified with.. he could have stayed and added so much.
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I'm gonna be openly biased and say Merle...

I loved Merle. I knew he was a much different person inside than he gave out and I was waiting for them to finally show that... and I knew he would go out like that, in a "blaze of glory"... which if you're gonna go is the way to go... but he just went so quick... finally we catch back up with him in season 3 and he dies in the same season? I don't know, I just loved Merle. :2206_mourning_over_dead_friend:

As devastated as Lori's death made me for all sorts of reasons (including the fact that my empathy level is off the charts and I was devastated that someone lost a wife and mother... even though it's just a show), it was necessary for Carl and Rick's character development... doesn't make it any less devastating :(

T-Dog... his character was finally developing and bam... *sigh*


But yeah, I choose Merle. </3
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I'm gonna be openly biased and say Merle...

I loved Merle. I knew he was a much different person inside than he gave out and I was waiting for them to finally show that... and I knew he would go out like that, in a "blaze of glory"... which if you're gonna go is the way to go... but he just went so quick... finally we catch back up with him in season 3 and he dies in the same season? I don't know, I just loved Merle. :2206_mourning_over_dead_friend:

As devastated as Lori's death made me for all sorts of reasons (including the fact that my empathy level is off the charts and I was devastated that someone lost a wife and mother... even though it's just a show), it was necessary for Carl and Rick's character development... doesn't make it any less devastating :(

T-Dog... his character was finally developing and bam... *sigh*


But yeah, I choose Merle. </3

I FORGOT ABOUT ANDREA!! what is wrong with me?! I was and am SEVERELY pissed and upset about Andrea... the amount of potential her character had is unending, and anyone who reads the comics knows this... blah... Merle and Andrea are the two I not only mourn, but feel they should still be alive :(
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Oh yay T Dog I didn't know that.... Okay then 😫
The. When axel died I was like 😱
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I still believe there was a great deal of potential with Merle. He knew how TG's motives and knew how to fight. He could have had helped the group survive. Sometimes he added comic relief as well. There was one good Daryl and Merle episode, then he was killed off. Don't know what Mazzara's big picture, but he really screwed up big time. As you can see I don't have any respect for that man. He thought he was King of TWD. My own .02
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I hate the loss of the characters, some more than others. It does make a strong real point about the loss of any living person being a loss of that growth and potential in the real world as well as on tv. Life is messy and complicated, and we don't always get resolution on our conflicts. TWD makes this point very well by having these losses.
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Andrea, obviously. But also Merle. And Oscar. Really wasted characters.
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Agree that Andrea shouldn't have died as it would have been interesting to see her weave her way back into the group in season 4, after the events of season 3 so some wasted potential there.
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I wish they would have killed off martinez vs merle
I could see merle bringing alot of friction into this season and they could have had a major person to
kill of this season/ they are beginning to run low on people to kill off that we care about......
we could care less about WB people right now
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Milton. He had a lot of potential as a character. Although I think he died at the right time.
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Everyone that died in Season 3. Merle was wasted (Died like a boss though), Oscar was wasted, Allen was wasted, Ben was wasted, Donna was wasted, Milton was wasted and heck, even Big Tiny was wasted.

The two biggest offenders were Axel and Andrea. Axel as he could have been our comedy guy, who made us laugh in the tense situations and gave us some joy along with all the sadness. Andrea...well if you read the comics you know why this is a slap in the face and her whole arc in Season 3 was pointless and fulfilled nothing. We all know the people of Woodbury she got Rick to "save" are going to die anyway...so pointless arc and pointless development, such a bloody waste.
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I really wish they had saved Lori to be blasted with Judith later. Also, I wish that they had actually mapped out Andrea's arc in season 3. You really can tell that they were just making some of her story up as they went, not deciding should she die, should she move against the Governor, etc etc...I think, in a lot of ways, the shuffle of show runners has caused to a loss of "vision" for the greater story. Example being, in Breaking Bad, there have been some plot elements that have come and gone and many that were mapped out and rejected before they ever came to fruition. Jesse was originally planned to die towards the end of season 1. But the basic idea of where Walt and family start and where they end up has always been a little flame that Vince Gilligan kept burning...In many ways, I think they should have kept Frank Darabont on board since it was his baby. At the rate and randomness we lose characters on Walking Dead, there isn't really a chance for everyone to develop relationships and to be fleshed out so that their losses can actually be felt. Like...three seasons of T-Dog and we never learned anything about him or really saw him have any intimate interactions with any of the other characters. The only time that I can think of was when he talked to Dale for a minute in the Season 2 premier. Its just so strange because so many things go right with Walking Dead, but in many ways lots of things go wrong as well.
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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If all differences could be set aside, Merle would've been the biggest asset. No doubt
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If all differences could be set aside, Merle would've been the biggest asset. No doubt


I agree. Even Michonne was willing to work with Merle even if she didn't like him, so it's a shame Glenn couldn't get the sand out of his private parts. Merle's suicide mission was noble, and he took out some soldiers, but those Woodburians would have been gunned down later by the Governor anyway. I do feel like we missed out on a lot more of what Merle could have offered, both to the group and for the story.
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Most deaths on this show are meaningless or uneventful and often really poorly done. Some others have said, they end up being fodder. Most of these deaths are of people with experience in this world or at least some god damn common sense but they seem to lack it at the most important times.

Only a few deaths have been done well, Shane and Merle are good examples. Amy and Jacqui too. Even though it's offscreen, Duane is a good one because in essence, it has a brutally powerful effect on Morgan and made possible, probably the most evocative scene in the whole series, at least for me.

Deaths like Oscar, Dale, Tdog, Axel, Andrea and Lori felt really silly.

- Axel gets randomly headshot with 1 bullet from a big distance while the crew had no idea they were there yet pulled up right next to the gate, where were all the walkers during that? Usually there's a few around the walls and gate just walking around yet they were gone. Only one shows up minutes later...
- Oscar dies to some random henchman in WB because Rick hallucinates, not too bad considering that guns are involved, a stray bullet can kill but the soldier was out in the open if I remember, why weren't the others shooting him down?
- Dale gets ninja pounced by a silent and teleporting walker, it eats some cow and disappears, why? Zombies afaik, don't do that...
- Patricia, gets pounced by zombie that was easy to see and easy to avoid. She has no peripheral vision or awareness? Just another cheap way to kill a character off (cliche)
- Tdog is another really bad one, doesn't watch his back/flanks and doesn't have cover from group to close the gate. Compare that to the surgical precision in episode one, it's such a contrast.
- Lori goes into labor at the worst time (cliche) and dies, typical. The lasting effect on Rick is good though but the death event is just bad...
- Andrea's death is the worst. Gets killed because she wasted so much stupid ass time looking at Milton while he turns (cliche), could have easily survived that based on her character history, really poor writing and just a convenient way to off her.

Hershel getting his leg bitten, while not a death is really strange. This is the ZA, you've battled zombies for almost a year yet you can't even be considerate enough to even glance down at some corpses that you haven't been near yet? That's more down to zombie consistency though. Some seem to move and react at a snails pace (evidenced by the recent Webisode) and some can almost run, some can bite through thick clothing, Hershel was wearing jeans right? That's not easy to bite through. In addition, zombies react to sound/movement and smell, he would have stirred at least, they aren't ambush predators but the zombie just instantly pounces him ffs.

I do like how they push the idea that anybody can die at any time because they think it makes good TV lol. This is not an excuse to kill people off in such a poor fashion and it does not make your show good or exciting. When characters die in GoT or Breaking Bad, they at least make their deaths meaningful and important to the plot/story and it's effects on other characters. Only a few characters make that cut and most don't, most are never referred to again or have any emotional impact past the next episode. There is a lot of lost potential but having too many characters does become a problem, I just wished they handled their deaths much better because most are terrible.

I'm just being picky, I still enjoy the show and you need to suspend disbelief but it's so common and so poorly written and executed that often I and many others are thinking..."what?"

Despite that, I want more episodes like Clear and Days Gone Bye. These are episodes are without a lot of horror or drama occurring, it's just the emotions and situations and the superb acting that make them so good. These episodes are up there with Breaking Bad level of excellence, if only we could maintain that level then we would have such an incredible show.
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I thought Lori's death was exceptionally well done. It was what came after that I have issue with.
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perhaps everybody could write their own TV series if this one sucks so much because its not written well
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perhaps everybody could write their own TV series if this one sucks so much because its not written well


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My vote is for Oscar and/or T-Dog. I thought Oscar had a lot of potential especially since he could have given a different perspective than the others in the group. He's been in the prison since before the outbreak so that would have made him a lot like Rick when he woke up from the coma. Remembering the way things were and able to act that way. T-Dog because after learning what we did from Glenn after he died, he seemed like a great character. He came from feeling like he would mean nothing to the group to be essential to their survival.
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perhaps everybody could write their own TV series if this one sucks so much because its not written well


This is an excellent show and it's getting better but it's difficult to not compare it to other TV shows who just do it better. The minor problems this show has are what are keeping it from reaching AAA status. We frequently get brilliant parts like Morgan talking abut Duane and his wife to Rick in Clear or Rick being thrust into a hopeless new world in Days Gone Bye.

I hope S4 will eventually put them on the roads again. Showing that would be far more interesting and scarier. The prison is now becoming like the Farm. Staying in place for too long gets boring for the viewer because there's lack of tension, suspense and continuity.
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