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The other day I was thinking of Glenn's death and while I was sad while reading it, I haven't thought of it in a while. I got sad while I was thinking about it. If anybody deserved to live to the end, it was him. Now, this isn't another topic on who do you want to live to the end or who do you want to come back to life. This is a topic where you have to take an already established death in the comic and replace it with another character to create more drama. This isn't what you think would be a better version, this is what you would think would be another interesting version

Jessie and Ron-Maggie and Sophia
Just imagine if Rick was going through the horde with them instead and then it played out exactly the same. The problem with Jessie's death is that she wasn't in the comic long enough for the readers to get an emotional attachment to her. I think they should've given her a more emotional connection before killing her off. Killing off Maggie AND Sophia would've been a terrible gut punch and imagine Glenn's reaction when he got back to the safe zone.

Glenn-Maggie/Sophia
I know it might seem like I have it out for Maggie and Sophia because I put it on two swap deaths now but just imagine how dark it would be if Glenn's wife got beaten to death in front of him. Also imagine how dark it would be if it was Sophia getting beaten to death. That would be TOO dark. Even for Kirkman. I wouldn't want to see it happen but like I said, this a thread to see a different, interesting alternate route
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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Glenn for Heath:
I like Heath but he's no where near as awesome as Glenn

Tyreese for Ezekiel:
I could care less for Ezekiel...Tyreese is in my opinion the coolest character in the book (along with Glenn)

Abraham for Jesus:
Although Jesus is a really cool character, I think that I would rather have Abraham than Jesus.
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I don't think Heath dying would have as huge an impact on the comic as Glenn's death did, though. Especially in issue 100

Ezekiel wasn't in the comic when they were at the prison

I agree somewhat on the last one but Abraham dying paved the path where the series were going and showed the Saviors to be a true threat and not another Derek and the scavengers
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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The other day I was thinking of Glenn's death and while I was sad while reading it, I haven't thought of it in a while. I got sad while I was thinking about it. If anybody deserved to live to the end, it was him. Now, this isn't another topic on who do you want to live to the end or who do you want to come back to life. This is a topic where you have to take an already established death in the comic and replace it with another character to create more drama. This isn't what you think would be a better version, this is what you would think would be another interesting version

Jessie and Ron-Maggie and Sophia
Just imagine if Rick was going through the horde with them instead and then it played out exactly the same. The problem with Jessie's death is that she wasn't in the comic long enough for the readers to get an emotional attachment to her. I think they should've given her a more emotional connection before killing her off. Killing off Maggie AND Sophia would've been a terrible gut punch and imagine Glenn's reaction when he got back to the safe zone.

Glenn-Maggie/Sophia
I know it might seem like I have it out for Maggie and Sophia because I put it on two swap deaths now but just imagine how dark it would be if Glenn's wife got beaten to death in front of him. Also imagine how dark it would be if it was Sophia getting beaten to death. That would be TOO dark. Even for Kirkman. I wouldn't want to see it happen but like I said, this a thread to see a different, interesting alternate route


Both of these scenarios are making me sick to my stomach. That would be so gut wrenching and powerful I can't even imagine.

I guess I wish Michonne had died in place of Tyreese. Imagine Michonne being beheaded by her own sword. She hasn't even really had much of a storyline since the prison, and Tyreese was one of my favorites. It'd be cool to see him and Abraham interact.
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I really like the idea of this topic, but unfortunately, I can't think of any way to contribute with a swap. I think that pretty much all of the deaths were perfect at creating drama. Glenn's death was the biggest, most gut-wrenching death that Kirkman could have written, aside from using untouchables like Rick or Carl. Maybe if Kirkman had killed Andrea or Michonne, there would have been a similar emotional impact, but Glenn's death had a bigger impact on the story itself. He left a wife and daughter and an unborn child. Also, Maggie seems to be getting some character development out of all of this. Glenn's death was almost necessary from a story standpoint. I wonder how many people predicted it before it happened.

Just for the fun of it, I'll swap a death for another death. Glenn gets shot through the eye and Abraham gets beaten to death by Negan.
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I would not swap any deaths
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I really like the idea of this topic, but unfortunately, I can't think of any way to contribute with a swap. I think that pretty much all of the deaths were perfect at creating drama.

It's easier to think of swapping the deaths more short term. Like, if Maggie and Sophia died in issue 83, that would've been such a shocking moment, but it wouldn't have been benefited the story in the long run because..
Maggie>Jessie && Everybody but Spencer, Patricia, and Gabriel>Ron>Spencer Patricia and Gabriel
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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is it just me or is this topic pointless? sorry in advance for being rude.
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You mean like your post was pointless? Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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is it just me or is this topic pointless? sorry in advance for being rude.

No, it's fine. I just like hearing other people's thoughts on the way a story could've gone. I don't think the story would be better if it went in these directions, but I like to hear if anyone else thought anything similar.

What you said wasn't really necessary, though. A lot of topics are "pointless" but they can still be fun to contribute to
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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No, it's fine. I just like hearing other people's thoughts on the way a story could've gone. I don't think the story would be better if it went in these directions, but I like to hear if anyone else thought anything similar.

What you said wasn't really necessary, though. A lot of topics are "pointless" but they can still be fun to contribute to




Speak your mind Gypsyrose i agree with you and i didn't find it rude at all its called an opinion.......
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Speak your mind Gypsyrose i agree with you and i didn't find it rude at all its called an opinion.......

I told him it was fine...I didn't say it was rude. Just not necessary.
And by your logic aren't I allowed to state my opinion that his post wasn't necessary?
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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I told him it was fine...I didn't say it was rude. Just not necessary.
And by your logic aren't I allowed to state my opinion that his post wasn't necessary?



Im just digging at you dude chill , but if it was "fine" you wouldn't have added that passive aggressive comment at the end IMO.
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Im just digging at you dude chill , but if it was "fine" you wouldn't have added that passive aggressive comment at the end IMO.

Sorry. I just never liked the "opinion" argument justifying that anything can be said. It's honestly ok. I don't think you, me, gypsy, or anyone really cares about what other people say on a forum
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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Sorry. I just never liked the "opinion" argument justifying that anything can be said. It's honestly ok. I don't think you, me, gypsy, or anyone really cares about what other people say on a forum


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It's all good guys. We all have our opinions. I just get bored with all the hypothetical topics. Unless it's predicting what color thong Andrea is wearing. I could get behind that. I'm hoping it's pink zebra stripes.
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It's all good guys. We all have our opinions. I just get bored with all the hypothetical topics. Unless it's predicting what color thong Andrea is wearing. I could get behind that. I'm hoping it's pink zebra stripes.



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It's all good guys. We all have our opinions. I just get bored with all the hypothetical topics. Unless it's predicting what color thong Andrea is wearing. I could get behind that. I'm hoping it's pink zebra stripes.

I'm guessing it's black, white, or a shade of grey. Just like everything else
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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you hit the nail on the head PT
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