Most Overrated And Underrated Characters?
#51
22 May 2013 - 05:02 PM
#52
22 May 2013 - 05:32 PM
Doc Stevens said he was good that means we did know from the comics he was good before he became a tyrant if you payed attention.
Then then novels came out at it was flushed out even more and you almost sympathies with the Gov.
What one character says isn't really a fact. It was Doc Stevens' opinion. The Governor could have just been hiding his evil from Stevens in the early days of the ZA. He was pretty good at hiding it from most everyone else in Woodbury.
I know the novels fleshed out the Governor more, but a lot of us haven't read them and they didn't even come out until four years after the Governor was dead and gone in the comics. For the sake of clarification, I'll say that I think the Governor is overrated in the comics; I don't know how he is in the novels. He may be an awesome, three-dimensional character in the books and that changes how people perceive him in the comics, but not having read them...yeah, I think he's not a very interesting villain.
#53
22 May 2013 - 05:37 PM
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#54
22 May 2013 - 05:47 PM
Nobody has changed the comic more then the Gov before Negan came around and that is what makes him interesting to me.
No character ever made me want to find out if he was evil to begin with or made that way by the ZA more then the Gov.
The reason the novels were even written was to satisfy all the interest into his background.
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#55
22 May 2013 - 06:07 PM
But even on the the villain side of things, The Governor doesn't rate very highly for me. He's gotten more focus than every other villain thus far and yet he's still not incredibly interesting to me. I mean, everything involving the Governor and Woodbury was great to read about and it really showcased what crazy, evil people in an apocalypse would be like. I don't actively dislike him, I just think people overrate him because he's connected to so many big events in the comics, like Rick losing his hand and the prison deaths. Just because he was an agent of change in the comic doesn't make him a great character.
If Derek and his crew killed Rick, Carl, Andrea and almost the entire Alexandria Safe-Zone, would they suddenly be amazing, interesting characters?
#56
22 May 2013 - 09:15 PM
I'm indifferent about Barbara, though. I hate the Governor. And not in that, "he's such a good villain that I hate him", way. In that, "this is such a boring villain that was butchered" way. The show will probably find a way to butcher Barbara haha.Oh, most definitely. Spencer Monroe is better than the TV show Governor. Father Gabriel is better than the TV show Governor. Donna is better than the TV show Governor. Barbara is....okay, that might be going to far.
Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?
#57
22 May 2013 - 11:47 PM
#58
23 May 2013 - 12:13 AM
#59
30 May 2013 - 04:29 PM
#60
01 June 2013 - 01:39 AM
Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?
#61
02 June 2013 - 05:07 AM
Underrated - Father Gabriel ( WTF is his character even doing?)
Overrated - Glenn, (It wasn't until he was killed off, that I started to find him overrated as a character. They way readers reacted to his death was reDICKuLESS. That and mostly because his death overshadowed Abe's death.)
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#62
05 December 2013 - 07:56 PM
#63
05 December 2013 - 08:59 PM
#64
05 December 2013 - 09:02 PM
"Let the slaughter begin..."
#65
05 December 2013 - 09:14 PM
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I agree, but I feel like if Billy didn't die then, he'd be dead by now. His death was sad as hell, though. Hershel dragging his corpse behind, not realizing he's dead.
I still get more pissed about Alice, though. Why, Kirkman, WHY?! If he was going to kill her, he could've at least given her a better death. Like, Rick runs into Lori's cell, sees Alice pointing the gun at her, and then Rick shoots her. She tells him she wasn't a traitor and now Rick has to live with it. He hasn't even killed an innocent person yet (unless you count Martinez, but that's up in the air)
Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?
#66
05 December 2013 - 09:18 PM
#67
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05 December 2013 - 09:42 PM
I hate to bring up the show...but why did they remove Billy and replace him with Beth? Billy was awesome and he is definitely underrated. He died at the right time though, his death made Hershel's all the more tragic and caused Maggie's road arc to happen. His death had purpose unlike a certain other character that died in the assault! It is a shame we never saw him on TV, he would have been great fun.
people not giving a shit about the source material?
#68
05 December 2013 - 10:10 PM
#69
06 December 2013 - 01:39 AM
I don't really remember early Billy but I seem to recall him not doing much and when he finally did, he screwed up a lotBilly was a badass, however, he was the closest thing to Daryl (perfect at almost everything) at the beginning of the comics IMO.
Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?
#70
06 December 2013 - 04:42 AM
#71
06 December 2013 - 05:42 AM
#72
06 December 2013 - 07:49 AM
#73
06 December 2013 - 02:41 PM
#74
06 December 2013 - 06:42 PM
Underrated: The ASZ Monroe family. There was so much unexplored potential here to have Rick's group overthrow the family and take over ASZ by force like they were teasing. Had that happened, the current storyline with Negan could show many citizens of ASZ finding empathy for Negan and siding with him against Rick. Spencer as the only one left to question Rick and die the way he did just made the character look ridiculous instead of being a key dissenter inside the community.
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#75
06 December 2013 - 07:15 PM
Overrated: Glenn. I'll probably get alot of shit for my opinion, but since saving Rick from the tank in the beginning I stopped liking his character. His over the top cowardice when captured by Woodbury and lack of 'epic' moments make him a more disposable character. His death didnt bother me, I like it because Maggie is proving to be far more interesting with him gone...whom I felt was next on my overrated list.
Underrated: The ASZ Monroe family. There was so much unexplored potential here to have Rick's group overthrow the family and take over ASZ by force like they were teasing. Had that happened, the current storyline with Negan could show many citizens of ASZ finding empathy for Negan and siding with him against Rick. Spencer as the only one left to question Rick and die the way he did just made the character look ridiculous instead of being a key dissenter inside the community.
But Rick's group wouldn't have taken over by force, even Michonne saw how crazy Rick was acting. Also, I want the war to be more about Rick vs Negan than having Rick's army fall apart from within, it'll be cool to see a few people maybe switch sides but had Rick taken over by force the whole of Alexandria would never trust him and rightfully so.
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