Most Overrated And Underrated Characters?
#26
18 May 2013 - 02:18 AM
Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?
#27
18 May 2013 - 02:42 AM
She's deff responsible for her own actions, but you can't say she would have tried it if he didn't cheat. Its like bullied teens that commit suicide, sure it was their choice but it was made because they couldn't handle their tormentors, and to wash the bullies hands clean because it was the victim's choice is bullshit. Also id like to note that 2 of tyreese's gfs killed theirselves, and his daughter made a suicide pact.
He didn't bully her into anything. She was a big girl, it's not his responsibility to coddle her emotions. He's only a man and he made a mistake sure, it was fucked up; he shouldn't have done that but he didn't make her crazy and weak and he's not at fault. She had a daughter too, she was a pathetic human being and she decided to make the choices she did. So he cheated on her, she needed to get over it and move on with her life, raise her daughter and be an adult.
#28
18 May 2013 - 02:44 AM
#29
18 May 2013 - 02:53 AM
No, after she killed herself someone offered him condolences and he said she was weak and that he had another ex kill herself and he had no sympathy for her.Or do you mean Carol tried to kill herself twice?
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#30
18 May 2013 - 02:58 AM
#31
18 May 2013 - 03:00 AM
I never said he bullied her I just likened it to bullies to illustrate the cause and effect relationship. Yeah she is weak and killed herself for stupid reasons, and what she did to her daughter was awful.He didn't bully her into anything. She was a big girl, it's not his responsibility to coddle her emotions. He's only a man and he made a mistake sure, it was fucked up; he shouldn't have done that but he didn't make her crazy and weak and he's not at fault. She had a daughter too, she was a pathetic human being and she decided to make the choices she did. So he cheated on her, she needed to get over it and move on with her life, raise her daughter and be an adult.
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#32
18 May 2013 - 03:13 AM
Overrated: Michonne, she hasn't been interesting since the prison and thats when I hated her the most, and now she doesn't want to fight and will probably leave ASZ.
I don't know how to feel about Michonne most of the time, to be honest. I don't know if it's the writing or the character. I think it might be the writing. Kirkman has never really paid much attention to her. It's like he takes her from being a cold badass to a complete emotional mess, no in between.
I also don't understand her obsession with being with a man all the time. She threw herself at Tyreese, then at Morgan, then at Heath, and now she's all over Ezekiel. What's up with that?
She seems to be getting more attention lately, though, so I'm staying open minded. At least she's self-aware and knows there's something she needs to fix. I loved her recent scenes with Rick and Andrea. Yeah, she snapped at Rick and was all emo with Andrea, but it shows she's at least communicating. She's starting to realize that she needs people in her life and that she needs to talk. I think Michonne is even more emo than Carl, the difference is she tries to hide it. I don't want her to hide it anymore. I think she has the potential of being quite extraordinary if they made her human, instead of just a katana yielding killing machine.
#33
18 May 2013 - 03:28 AM
I could see a friendship with Andrea being a beautiful thing.....I was actually wondering why they hadn't interacted much right around the time they had their recent chat.
she's at least communicating. She's starting to realize that she needs people in her life and that she needs to talk. I think Michonne is even more emo than Carl, the difference is she tries to hide it. I don't want her to hide it anymore. I think she has the potential of being quite extraordinary if they made her human, instead of just a katana yielding killing machine.
#34
18 May 2013 - 03:35 AM
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#35
18 May 2013 - 03:38 AM
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#36
18 May 2013 - 04:25 AM
You're acting as if this is happening in a situation now. This is the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE. People are on edge. Everyone people have cared about is dead. Even the survivors' last traces of hope are diminishing. Now, Tyreese cheats on Carol for a new girl who just arrived at the prison. I'm not saying what Carol did was right but Tyreese definitely could've handled the situation better given what happened.He didn't bully her into anything. She was a big girl, it's not his responsibility to coddle her emotions. He's only a man and he made a mistake sure, it was fucked up; he shouldn't have done that but he didn't make her crazy and weak and he's not at fault. She had a daughter too, she was a pathetic human being and she decided to make the choices she did. So he cheated on her, she needed to get over it and move on with her life, raise her daughter and be an adult.
Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?
#37
18 May 2013 - 04:28 AM
As for the black guys, I don't know. It could just be an attraction. She could just like black guys. Simple as that
Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?
#38
18 May 2013 - 10:34 AM
Overrated
Tyreese. Oh my motherfuck... this guy. I don't hate him, i think he's a cool character - but SOOOO overrated.
Jesus. In the comics since the early 90's - only is just starting to get some serious panel-time but everyone seems to worship him
I want to say Michonne, but i think she's earned her popularity.
Underrated
Sophia - To be fair we hardly see her so it's hard to judge opinions and all. But she's been through just as much as the others if not more. I think we'll see some big stuff for Sophia soon.
#39
18 May 2013 - 03:04 PM
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#40
19 May 2013 - 11:17 AM
I love the Jesus, but the thing he needs is...more of an personal attachment. His character is a bit overrated when we come down to that. He hasn't gone through anything like Michonne or Abraham did...yet. He is cool with an nice design, but his chracter is...a bit flat as of now.
Abe was an badass, but he was also emotionally damaged and very well written. He had alot of depth. Which is why i still keep him as my favorite character, well after his death.
Jesus is badass, but i'am still waiting for more of an personal plot on his behalf. As of now, he's an very good ''cool'' guy, but he's not Abe.
#41
19 May 2013 - 04:06 PM
Im hoping for this as well.I love the Jesus, but the thing he needs is...more of an personal attachment. His character is a bit overrated when we come down to that. He hasn't gone through anything like Michonne or Abraham did...yet. He is cool with an nice design, but his chracter is...a bit flat as of now.
Abe was an badass, but he was also emotionally damaged and very well written. He had alot of depth. Which is why i still keep him as my favorite character, well after his death.
Jesus is badass, but i'am still waiting for more of an personal plot on his behalf. As of now, he's an very good ''cool'' guy, but he's not Abe.
Give us some development for Jesus.
#42
19 May 2013 - 09:30 PM
#43
21 May 2013 - 07:25 AM
The Governor is kind of cartoonish. He's just a basic, mustache-twirling villain with a lot of psychopathy thrown in for good measure (you can say that about most villains in The Walking Dead, but most of them aren't rated so highly). He's only memorable to people as a good villain because he was basically the first villain. He set the bar for brutality and he and his army were directly responsible for killing off most of the main cast. Just because The Governor's actions were taken to the logical conclusion and are memorable, doesn't make him a good villain.
Underrated: Martinez.
I thought Martinez was awesome, until he turned out to be not-so-awesome. Despite being in very few issues, I thought he had a lot of good character moments. His death was also an important part of Rick's character development. Seeing Martinez put side-by-side with the Gov like this, I noticed that he is a way better villain than The Governor, because of how ambiguous and normal he was. Even after betraying the group, he wasn't a clear-cut villain. He was three dimensional character.
Honorable mentions:
Overrated: Hershel Greene
Everyone seems to love him and I like him well enough, but I don't see how he's so great. He was kind of forgettable to me.
Underrated: Tobin.
He was cool. Too bad he had to die.
Underrated: Denise
If Leela hadn't reminded me of Denise, I would have forgotten that she existed. She has an abundance of personality, but so far not too much to do. I hope Robert Kirkman develops and utilizes her more before she dies.
#44
21 May 2013 - 08:36 PM
I agree about the Governor somewhat. I do think he was a great villain but there was a point where he became laughable with him getting his ear bitten off, getting bitten on the neck, getting castrated, amputated, and eye spooned out and shot and slashed at several times....yeah. He's still better than the show Governor, though. To give credit in regards to the injuries, I think the show handled it better where he just lost an eye and his daughter. Other than that, he sucked on the show
Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?
#45
21 May 2013 - 09:13 PM
Yes we had some freak out moments with Shane and Hershel but the Gov was really the first guy that we seen to use the ZA as a means to become the crazy fuck he was.
RK was making a point with the Gov and his over the top shit that we aint in Kansas anymore Toto.
"Yeah, let's fuck this dog."
#46
21 May 2013 - 09:32 PM
Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?
#47
21 May 2013 - 09:38 PM
#48
21 May 2013 - 10:00 PM
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#49
21 May 2013 - 11:45 PM
changed the walking dead forever. a true sadist who while brutal could also manipulate with the best. He deceived an entire town in to attacking a group he started a war with. convinced them they were savages when he himself was a savage. an example of what can happen to a person in the za.
#50
22 May 2013 - 04:29 PM
He's still better than the show Governor, though.
Oh, most definitely. Spencer Monroe is better than the TV show Governor. Father Gabriel is better than the TV show Governor. Donna is better than the TV show Governor. Barbara is....okay, that might be going to far.
The Gov became evil because of the ZA.
Not that we'd really know that just from reading the comics. I think Doc Stevens said he was good once, but that's about it. For all anyone knew before the novels came out, he could have been evil from the start, too.
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