Melee Weapons Or Firearms?

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I have a big sledgehammer, i think i'd be good for the first few days then go to the local gun store
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In Highschool of the dead.. the class nerd turns a pnumatic nail gun into a crude rifle in the shop class. Is this a feasable idea in a way? Could you build an air cartridge rifle that has lethal capabilities? It would be VERY quite. if it shoots something like nails or darts these can be made and retrived as you go if possible, and unlike the crossbow you can fire more than one shot at a time if it has a magazine. Fewer moving parts, no need to carry gun powder and you could probably re load a spent air cartridge by using a bicycle pump to refill it.
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In Highschool of the dead.. the class nerd turns a pnumatic nail gun into a crude rifle in the shop class. Is this a feasable idea in a way? Could you build an air cartridge rifle that has lethal capabilities? It would be VERY quite. if it shoots something like nails or darts these can be made and retrived as you go if possible, and unlike the crossbow you can fire more than one shot at a time if it has a magazine. Fewer moving parts, no need to carry gun powder and you could probably re load a spent air cartridge by using a bicycle pump to refill it.


Yes - sort of.

If you check the history of 'guns', there was a period when "air guns" were around and used (mainly for 'hunting' {and by that I mean a nice day of the local aristocrat going out and shooting things - they were expensive and complex as all get out}).

However, they are NOT quiet (loud "thunk" sound), they are prone to trouble (lots of complex little pieces) and you have to have the compressor around.

Think about a painball marker - same basic principle, just uping the pressure and making the projectile smaller.
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In Highschool of the dead.. the class nerd turns a pnumatic nail gun into a crude rifle in the shop class. Is this a feasable idea in a way?


No.

Could you build an air cartridge rifle that has lethal capabilities?


You can buy one. They have .22 and .25 caliber air rifles that shoot at 900 - 1000 fps.

Fewer moving parts, no need to carry gun powder and you could probably re load a spent air cartridge by using a bicycle pump to refill it.


QEV (QuickExhuastValve) + BlowGun (trigger) + Shock Pump (high pressure air pump) + Heavyweight ammo = Lethal

From a static position, as long as you have ammo, and can pump air, you have a lethal weapon.
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Personally I would prefer a melee weapon: a long staff. But I would keep my .40 with me as well, just in case. :)
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The answer is both of course. Each has undeniable advantages and disadvantages. Most of the posts have focused on the zombies and a HMG would be a poor weapon to use on them if you had it because ammo is going to be hard to come by. Medium MG's less so since they will probably be 7.62 NATO... however having one mounted to vehicle or entrenched at a camp/town certainly would discourage human attacks since they can remember what they can do and would not have to be shot in the head. Ammo will last a long time if kept in decent conditions so that is where the melee weapons come in. Conserving your supply of ammo until you really need it. Spare parts for the firearms and a way to repair broken melee weapons will become very important.
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I have found... my favorite combination of melee weapon and firearms... bring on the zombie apocalypse. Their asses are mine!

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I have found... my favorite combination of melee weapon and firearms... bring on the zombie apocalypse. Their asses are mine!


Hehe sweet and AWSOME and I would shyt a brick if I ever saw that strolling down the street mowing down zack...
For those of us not blessed with Optimus Prime's cousin on speed dial.... I would have to go with a 4 weapon combo if I was on my own. An assegai spear and silenced pistol would be my go-to combo when scouting buildings. A rifle or carbine strapped to my back and a good sized knife for the "Well if it has to come to it" comfort of knowing I have something on me

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I'm sorry but this is just too cool for words. The heads on the bolts are incredible. Looks easy to pull them out of a skull as well.

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^^^ Looks vicious!

Reminds me of the TAC15.

Which is an CrossBow Upper receiver for an AR15. You could switch between crossbow and rifle in under a minute.




Video of the Tac15:
https://www.youtube....h?v=cDQthc4jap4
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Absolutely brilliant upcycling (pardon the pun) of materials.

Bicycle wheel bow.


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. I have one thing to say about the whole crossbow idea. Great in theory, in practice a major pain in the ass. I just picked up a Horton Brotherhood, the adult version of the bow Darryl uses. It is a compound style crossbow with a 150 lb draw weight. The time it takes to use your cocking rope after each shot is ridiculous. I can fire off 3-4 arrows easily with my recurve before the Crosssbow is cocked and ready to fire. The only advantages I see with a crossbow over a traditional bow are high accuracy and higher power to each shot.
I would end up ditching my crossbow fairly early and relying solely on my recurve.
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Absolutely brilliant upcycling (pardon the pun) of materials.

Bicycle wheel bow.


That is awesome dead cave. Thanks for sharing that.
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^^^ Looks vicious!

Reminds me of the TAC15.

Which is an CrossBow Upper receiver for an AR15. You could switch between crossbow and rifle in under a minute.




Video of the Tac15:
https://www.youtube....h?v=cDQthc4jap4

In theory that is the coolest thing I have seen this week. But in practice I would hate carrying that around. I love my AR because it is nice and light weight. With a crossbow rigging on the front that is going to be ridiculously heavy to use without the tripod.
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In theory that is the coolest thing I have seen this week. But in practice I would hate carrying that around.


The tools you carry should fit the task at hand. Carrying around 2 uppers on foot would be unnecessary.

However a second upper would be useful from a fixed or static position. Quietly engaging targets with reusable ammo (when retrieved) at a distance from a tower, building or vehicle is advantageous.

It's a bipod, not a tripod. ;)
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. I have one thing to say about the whole crossbow idea. Great in theory, in practice a major pain in the ass. I just picked up a Horton Brotherhood, the adult version of the bow Darryl uses. It is a compound style crossbow with a 150 lb draw weight. The time it takes to use your cocking rope after each shot is ridiculous. I can fire off 3-4 arrows easily with my recurve before the Crosssbow is cocked and ready to fire. The only advantages I see with a crossbow over a traditional bow are high accuracy and higher power to each shot.
I would end up ditching my crossbow fairly early and relying solely on my recurve.



The crossbow's strength is it's accuracy and penetration. It's reload time though sentenced it to the defender's weapon. They were perfect for the castle guard. Peak out of a crenellation, aim then fire, and duck back behind the wall and reload in relative safety while enemy arrows struck the thick stone wall separating you from the outside world.

On the battle field... well just like early musketmen, you fired in ranks. Rank 1 fires and starts to reload. Rank 2 fires and reloads... then 3 and then 4. By the time 4 fires, rank 1 should be ready to go again. Actually the power of the crossbow got it banned by the church. Superior power and accuracy and any moron can become a marksman. Contrasted to the long bow which was not as powerful but mor elethal due to it's quickness, but took time and skill to develop.
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The crossbow's strength is it's accuracy and penetration. It's reload time though sentenced it to the defender's weapon. They were perfect for the castle guard. Peak out of a crenellation, aim then fire, and duck back behind the wall and reload in relative safety while enemy arrows struck the thick stone wall separating you from the outside world.

On the battle field... well just like early musketmen, you fired in ranks. Rank 1 fires and starts to reload. Rank 2 fires and reloads... then 3 and then 4. By the time 4 fires, rank 1 should be ready to go again. Actually the power of the crossbow got it banned by the church. Superior power and accuracy and any moron can become a marksman. Contrasted to the long bow which was not as powerful but mor elethal due to it's quickness, but took time and skill to develop.

Heh, at least they (the church) was being fair about it all the killing they sanctioned.

Found this gif. I think this guy is going to kick ass during the ZA.

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^^^ That is Sonny Puzikas. He is a former Russian Spetsnaz.

There are a bunch of his you tube videos about gunfire/reloading techniques and Systema (Russian martial arts) HTH combat.
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These look pretty awesome... maybe for one on one or using a pair for 2-3 zombies ... or last ditch effort to survive if swarmed. At least you go down fighting with awesomeness. :)
Combat tomahawks.
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These look pretty awesome... maybe for one on one or using a pair for 2-3 zombies ... or last ditch effort to survive if swarmed. At least you go down fighting with awesomeness. :)
Combat tomahawks.

I think we talked about the M48 in another thread, but I have to say, that's a pretty cool page of tomahawks. Thanks.
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Found this gif. I think this guy is going to kick ass during the ZA.

Noticed his doggie treats pouch off his hip.

Tomahawks, very nice. Tomahawk-throwing champion, anyone? With my clumsiness, who knows.

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I think you obviously need a combination of both. I like bows as an alternative to guns for the obvious advantage of being able to reuse ammo. As for a melee weapon, I like some kind of pole arm. A pole arm is just so damned useful. However, I think it most likely that anyone living in a real ZA would carry a pole arm of some kind, a long-range weapon of some kind, and a variety of knives on their person at all times. A lightweight axe would work, like a tomahawk, but not a heavy axe or sledgehammer. Heavy weapons are simply too slow. By the time you lift and swing, the walkers would be on you.
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In the event of a ZA... why is this question even brought up, the answer is obviously both and a combination of various different things that is all very situational. I don't understand why people theorycraft on such a tiny scale or don't think out the concept of what they are posting about. I swear sometimes ZA enthusiasts act a lot like zombies themselves...
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I believe in keeping things simple in the ZA. Basic rig for outings: 1 AR15 or M16 preferably with suppressor, 1 9MM handgun, 1 machete. Go for guns with lots of available ammo. The machete is the most practical melee weapon.

I think ammo availability would be easier in a ZA (at least after the opening months) then most people think. For example, the prison in the TWD is about 55 miles from one GA National Guard armory and 75 miles from another. One trip with two or three trucks will give you all the ammo you'll ever need.

WWZ is basically a complete crock on the likely outcome of military vs zombies. Contrary to Brooks, artillery would be extremely effective against a zombie herd. Overpressure is not the only effect of an exploding artillery round, they also generate lots of nasty shrapne. A dense herd where the zombies will not scatter or take cover a brief artillery shoot would be devestating. Yes, infantry shooting at Z's would be surpised at first, but how long would it take to figure out the Z's shot in the head drop dead and ones shot in the chest keep moving? A minute maybe? Finally no unit with a tank or IFV can be over run by Z's. The vehicle will just drive into the herd and squash them. Please don't give me the Brooks crap about the vulnerablity of unescorted tanks either. This would only be true if the Z's had RPGs or sticky bombs. And they don't---cause their zombies.

Zombie vs military = dead zombies.
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I agree with you to an extent. A tank, definitely, could just keep moving through a herd. When you think of the kind of terrain they're designed to just roll over, some squisy rotting dudes aren't going to pose much resistance.

I wonder whether trained archers could manage to manoeuvre effectively through the terrain? Consider that recurve archery takes time to develop skillfully and quickly, if a team could train to that level, they'd easily manage to travel through these places with the accuracy of the bow and the easy shots up close for a number of marksmen. It seems to be that would be the most worthwhile training program to establish once a compound is set up.

As the benefits of bows go, you can train all day every day in a place like the prison in safety. That training would pay off out on runs.
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