#1
04 April 2013 - 04:47 AM
Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?
#2
04 April 2013 - 04:54 AM
#3
04 April 2013 - 04:59 AM
#4
04 April 2013 - 05:03 AM
#5
04 April 2013 - 05:17 AM
However, I agree that Rick should have easily been able to take Negan out by now and that the Saviors aren't really all that threatening, with their puny melee weapons. I haven't read the Negan issues in a while, but I remember thinking Rick should have been able to kill Negan and his Saviors at the gates the first time Negan came for supplies, just like the marauders they killed before. Even if more Saviors were to come, I think they'd be able to easily defend against an attack, unless Negan's sitting on a tank, like the Governor was.
EDIT: My guess for why Rick has been putting off opposing Negan openly is because he wants to destroy the Saviors completely and take all of their supplies, before they even know what hit them. It makes sense that he's been gathering information and allies, but it is kind of weird that he told Eugene not to make any bullets, as that is Rick's biggest edge over Negan. I guess he changed his mind in 107, but I dunno if that's been confirmed or if The Euge is acting on his own.
#6
04 April 2013 - 05:25 AM
They also clearly have guns.
97- motorcycle group points guns at Rick an co.
98- guy pointing gun at Eugene , huge gun battle that occurs after Eugene's chomp.
100- gunshot to summon Negan.
They probably just don't have tons of ammo like ASZ apparently still has. They don't waste bullets on z's(they do however waste bullets to summon Negan)
ASZ has always had the higher ground when it's come to their battles , they have good coverage with their walls.
The saviors aren't unstoppable and they certainly won't last, but that doesn't mean that the problem will be solved easily.
Negan rules with fear and leadership like that always succombs to defeat.
With all that being said your arguement reminds me of the eagle theory with the lord of the rings, " couldn't frodo just hop on an eagle and chuck the ring in mount doom?". Yes, yes he probably could've.But that's not entertaining or captivating on any level.
Patience is a virtue, let the story unfold.
#7
04 April 2013 - 05:29 AM
#8
04 April 2013 - 05:33 AM
#9
04 April 2013 - 01:14 PM
"Yeah, let's fuck this dog."
#10
04 April 2013 - 01:30 PM
Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?
#11
04 April 2013 - 01:32 PM
Nice catch with the guns. There was a reason they didn't use the eagles, by the way. I guess you're right, though that I'd feel cheated if Negan and his Saviors were killed very easily.Still way too early to call it. We're only just about to see the rest of the iceberg.
They also clearly have guns.
97- motorcycle group points guns at Rick an co.
98- guy pointing gun at Eugene , huge gun battle that occurs after Eugene's chomp.
100- gunshot to summon Negan.
They probably just don't have tons of ammo like ASZ apparently still has. They don't waste bullets on z's(they do however waste bullets to summon Negan)
ASZ has always had the higher ground when it's come to their battles , they have good coverage with their walls.
The saviors aren't unstoppable and they certainly won't last, but that doesn't mean that the problem will be solved easily.
Negan rules with fear and leadership like that always succombs to defeat.
With all that being said your arguement reminds me of the eagle theory with the lord of the rings, " couldn't frodo just hop on an eagle and chuck the ring in mount doom?". Yes, yes he probably could've.But that's not entertaining or captivating on any level.
Patience is a virtue, let the story unfold.
Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?
#12
04 April 2013 - 03:07 PM
And you get that he may go down, but he won't go down without a few more murders
I really like Negan as a villain, the governor was a little crazy and unpredictable, but in my opinion, Negan is scarier. He is more in control, and that makes the sudden cold-blooded murders a lot worse. He doesn't just give in to rage, he plans every act. He carefully establishes his reign of terror. Plus, he has a bigger army and a huge fortress (factory).
#13
05 April 2013 - 05:29 PM
Negan appears weaker. Yea. He's slowly starting to lose. It may be anticlimatic, but its realistic.
#14
05 April 2013 - 06:03 PM
The Saviors have guns they just don't use them much and the first attack on Alexandria was lead by who ? oh yea that be Dwight's dumb-ass. Negan wanted Dwight to be killed in that raid "there is always next time" and more then likely Dwight was working on his own and Negan never ordered the attack so they didn't have the weapons they needed. I think Negan wants people to think they are manageable so he has an upper hand when he strikes.
yes, this.
negan has a strange sense of honor, he doesn't attack unprovoked. he angers his enemy or makes himself seem weak to draw them into attacking or exposing their intentions so he can counter them. began isn't as dumb as some may think, he is a clever manupulating sociopath.
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05 April 2013 - 08:14 PM
#16
05 April 2013 - 08:18 PM
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05 April 2013 - 08:40 PM
#18
05 April 2013 - 08:43 PM
lol I see that now. I didn't even read through the thread. derp.
I meant to thank you in another thread when you posted that bro down gif , I've rekindled my love for south park.
Thank you good sir
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06 April 2013 - 01:40 AM
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06 April 2013 - 01:48 AM
#21
22 April 2013 - 10:16 PM
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#22
22 April 2013 - 11:44 PM
#23
22 April 2013 - 11:47 PM
agreei don't think the ONE ping pong scene was lame I thought it was great, i think it shows that negan really isn't that bad when you don't make any trouble, it's better than spending your free time looking at dismembered heads in fishtanks.
The ping pong scene was a great way to show Negan is not pure evil like the Gov and clearly tries to be nice to his people until he is forced to uphold the "new world order" or he is just a demented fucker............
"Yeah, let's fuck this dog."
#24
22 April 2013 - 11:49 PM
I interpreted it a different way. I thought they were showing people were purposely losing because they feared Negan's wrath, which we already knew because of Dwight lying about Jesus escapingagree
The ping pong scene was a great way to show Negan is not pure evil like the Gov and clearly tries to be nice to his people until he is forced to uphold the "new world order" or he is just a demented fucker............
Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?
#25
22 April 2013 - 11:51 PM
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