the items were in the back of the truck when they left. The only new addition was the wrapped bundle we are to assume is andrea.
Oh. Sorry. My mistake. Good catch!
I'm wondering about those Woodbury folks...they've all been brainwashed by the Governor and brainwashing takes a long time to overcome
np it happens. =)Oh. Sorry. My mistake. Good catch!
np it happens. =)
You know rethinking andreas arc her choices actually make sense. As mentioned in another thread (thou incorrect) about andreas reaction to killing randall. She changed her mind. If u take 2 extremes that range from shanes pov to early ricks pov. Shane had a very gov view of things...kill or u die. Rick had the we dont kill tue living pov. Ok so andrea was a lawyer prior za so ud assume she defended people as a civil rights lawyer (i think) ok so weve seen her go thru alot from losing amy....wanting to die...becoming distant...becoming a warrior with a very shane mindset....meeting michonne....7ish months in the wilderness ......to finding woodbury and growing from there. Could it be andrea (like rick) changed against who she was and found that part of herself again? She liked the walker fights remember? How would she feel if amy was out there? She changed alot like rick did. For rick his mind gave him "ghosts" of what was as a way back from what he knew was wrong for him. And when he did what he feels is right they stop.
Andreas words of i tried and no one can go it alone has impact. Remember when rick @ dales service spoke of honoring dale? Bringing back the wb people is him honoring andrea. She tried and failed for the most part to save people but now uve got the googy wb normal people core left totally defenceless who never either were able to take up arms or didnt want to like tyress. They were told rick & co were the devil only to be seen what a sham that was.
So for me....her death actually makes sense to move the story aling. Yea it couldve been better but this is the walking dead and thats what our characters are and their trying like hell not to be. Think about it.
Okay. So I'm going to be extremely un-popular for a while.
I really, really liked it. I feel that Season 3 is about character development and this episode showed us exactly where everyone is.
1) Rick lost his way at the farm and the end of Season 2. He let Shane get into his head and declared the Ricktatorship. All of his guilt about Lori and the journey into crazytown were because Rick had lost his moral compass.
Rick's conversation with Carl was the final block of sanity falling into place. Yes, Rick let Andrew go. Yes, Rick didn't kill the Governer when they were in the meeting alone. Rick made the morally correct choice. If you say that Andrew couldn't have been the cause of Lori and T-dog's deaths, or TG continuing to attack and kill were because of Rick's decision, I believe you are incorrect. Rick let them go because "We don't kill the living." Andrew and TG made the decisions to do what they did. A doctor who saves the life of a boy who grows up to be a serial killer isn't responsible for the choices the killer made. The only choices you are responsible for are your own and if you let someone's potential for evil dictate your choices, you are becoming as evil as they are.
2) Andrea. I believe Andrea's death to be completely in character and representative of the choices she made all season. I'm sorry if the comic readers are angry about her character development in the show, but this isn't the comics. Andrea struggled all during season 2 to find her balance. She never did. She continued to struggle in season 3. She wanted everything to be okay, everyone to be peaceful, to find a way for no one to die and everyone to live. Although she was a badass fighter against walkers, she always hesitated and second-guessed herself against the living. She was cuffed to the chair and even though Milton urged her to hurry, she could not accept the change in Milton from living to walker. She kept hesitating, clinging to the hope that Milton wouldn't die and she wouldn't have to "kill" him. She should have hurried more but again, that's not Andrea's MO. This time it cost her.
3) Milton's death. TG's move against Milton was so amazingly awful. "I said you're not leaving this room until you kill her." Soooo diabolical.
4) TG's shooting of his own people. TG is completely insane. We knew that in the last episode. He no longer cares about the Woodburians at all, except as tools. When his tools were turning against him, he killed them. He didn't go back to Woodbury because he doesn't care about it anymore. As for leaving him alive, he's still a huge threat. Guerrilla warfare can be very effective and that's the kind of campaign he is going to use. As for Martinez and the other guy, yes, they should have killed TG when they had the chance. But they are soliders, the kind that take orders and don't think about it. They were shocked but they will continue to follow him because that is the kind of people they are; they are like the unquestioning German soldiers in WWII who followed orders and hid behind that excuse.
5) Why did Maggie and Glenn not shoot people? It was said in another post that they were just trying to be enough of a pain in the ass to make it not worth it. They weren't trying to kill.
6) Why go back to the prison and not stay in Woodbury? Totally symbolic. Woodbury is TG's creation = evil. The prison is Rick and Co.'s haven = good.
This episode shocked the hell out of me and made me cry. Isn't that what it is supposed to do? We can't be shocked or cry if only good things happen to the people we like or the bad guy meets the predictable bad end at the hands of the noble good guy. If you want those kinds of things, watch old Westerns. The Lone Ranger always captures Black Bart, kisses the girl and rides off into the sunset with Tonto at his side.....
I've been reading these posts for months but this is the first time I've ever posted. I can't believe nobody else caught the blooper at Andrea's death! I've replayed it over and over there is no doubt that they screwed up. Yet nobody else has mentioned it on here (not that I've seen anyway).
What's wrong with this scene?
Rick hands Andrea a revolver.
The door closes.
We hear the gun go bang.
We hear the shell casing hit the floor.
Revolvers don't eject the shell casing! Duh!
The sound effects guys dropped the ball on that one.
One more thing, Why did Rick bring all those useless old people and kids back to the prison to take care of when he just let a perfectly good able-bodied grown man die a few weeks ago? These new people need to be fed and protected but the guy walking down the road could have been an asset if they hadn't driven off and left him to the walkers (but they did stop to retrieve his supplies from his dead body on the way back!).
One more thing, Why did Rick bring all those useless old people and kids back to the prison to take care of when he just let a perfectly good able-bodied grown man die a few weeks ago? These new people need to be fed and protected but the guy walking down the road could have been an asset if they hadn't driven off and left him to the walkers (but they did stop to retrieve his supplies from his dead body on the way back!).
One more thing, Why did Rick bring all those useless old people and kids back to the prison to take care of when he just let a perfectly good able-bodied grown man die a few weeks ago? These new people need to be fed and protected but the guy walking down the road could have been an asset if they hadn't driven off and left him to the walkers (but they did stop to retrieve his supplies from his dead body on the way back!).
Thank you very much, Robert!! Yeah, that's Andrea's body. I have no idea how I missed something as important as this. Either I was too butthurt, or the camera didn't make things clear enough (wouldn't be the first time). The acting (that I was apparently oblivious to!) is what solidifies it.
Plus there wasn't even a small flash seen from under the door. Granted I don't know much about firearms but I'd think in a semi dark room u'd get some kind of flash. also I had to add the behind the scenes of S2 Better Angels due to Dales death. In a lot of ways it's the same with Andrea. Rick bringing back the people from Woodbury is his way of honoring Andrea. What she was trying to do and to bring closure to the groups.I've been reading these posts for months but this is the first time I've ever posted. I can't believe nobody else caught the blooper at Andrea's death! I've replayed it over and over there is no doubt that they screwed up. Yet nobody else has mentioned it on here (not that I've seen anyway).
What's wrong with this scene?
Rick hands Andrea a revolver.
The door closes.
We hear the gun go bang.
We hear the shell casing hit the floor.
Revolvers don't eject the shell casing! Duh!
The sound effects guys dropped the ball on that one.
Plus there wasn't even a small flash seen from under the door. Granted I don't know much about firearms but I'd think in a semi dark room u'd get some kind of flash. also I had to add the behind the scenes of S2 Better Angels due to Dales death. In a lot of ways it's the same with Andrea. Rick bringing back the people from Woodbury is his way of honoring Andrea. What she was trying to do and to bring closure to the groups. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPrdxCnT_Kg
Yo soy guajiro y carretero, y en el campo vivo bien, porque el campo es el Eden, mas lindo del mundo entero.
One more thing, Why did Rick bring all those useless old people and kids back to the prison to take care of when he just let a perfectly good able-bodied grown man die a few weeks ago? These new people need to be fed and protected but the guy walking down the road could have been an asset if they hadn't driven off and left him to the walkers (but they did stop to retrieve his supplies from his dead body on the way back!).
We hear the gun go bang.
We hear the shell casing hit the floor.
Revolvers don't eject the shell casing! Duh!
The sound effects guys dropped the ball on that one.
First, some people think that it wasn't the shell we heard, but the clink of Rick's gun as she died and hand slumped down to the floor.
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