Could Milton Be The Gov's Brother

Milton family The Governor brother

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I'd have to go back and watch it but didn't Milton say he was an only child (in the Mr. Coleman scene)?


He sure did. He also said his parents died when he was young
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Good specuation, but if they are brothers I think they would have established that point in "Prey". All we found out is that they have known each other fairly well before the ZA. Maybe we will get more insight about how they met/ know each other but I won't be dissapointed if we don't.
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The belief that they were brothers was fleeting for me. Too many establilshed facts said otherwise. But it's been a very STRONG sense that the two have had a very STRONG bond since before the ZA.

Personally, I'll be very disappointed if we don't learn what it was. There have been hints toward this connection and a few clues. I don't want to be left with WTF? I have my own suspicions and I'm dying to see if I'm right. If they drop this with no explanation, I don't think I'll take it well. lol.
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The belief that they were brothers was fleeting for me. Too many establilshed facts said otherwise. But it's been a very STRONG sense that the two have had a very STRONG bond since before the ZA.

Personally, I'll be very disappointed if we don't learn what it was. There have been hints toward this connection and a few clues. I don't want to be left with WTF? I have my own suspicions and I'm dying to see if I'm right. If they drop this with no explanation, I don't think I'll take it well. lol.


i agree, it would be nice to find out the relationship between the two
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Not related and not co-workers. I'm gonna guess they've been friends since childhood.

TG was probably protective of Milton (explaining why Milton can still see who TG was in spite of who he has become). TG also values Milton's intelligence. Woodbury was something they created together. At least that's what I gathered.

Too, Milton is wary of saying everything he thinks, but he is certainly more straight forward than anyone else. When he suggests TG let the business of the prison and Michonne go, he knows he can speak more frankly than anyone else dares. He knows what the limits are between the two of them.

(I'm usually wrong, but) I'm guessing Milton will find out about Andrea and try to intercede. I'm hoping he's the one who kills TG.
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No, Milton is not Phil's brother. The actors have no resemblance in common, other than being caucasian. The actors express no mannerisms in common.

If they were related, wouldn't Milton have interacted with Penny?

In "Prey" (S3E14), Phil asks Milton if he thought the biters had some semblence of their pre-dead selves. Milton said, "I think so." Milton seemed sincere, so he would have been shown engaging with his niece at some point or at least enquiring as to her well being.

And, Phil has been shown sleeping with at least two different women since his wife died - Karen & Andrea - yet he showed neither any affection except when they were one-to-one. As a brother, wouldn't you have a serious talk with your bro regarding depression, communicable diseases, or at least to use some contraceptives?
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No, Milton is not Phil's brother. The actors have no resemblance in common, other than being caucasian. The actors express no mannerisms in common.

If they were related, wouldn't Milton have interacted with Penny?

In "Prey" (S3E14), Phil asks Milton if he thought the biters had some semblence of their pre-dead selves. Milton said, "I think so." Milton seemed sincere, so he would have been shown engaging with his niece at some point or at least enquiring as to her well being.

And, Phil has been shown sleeping with at least two different women since his wife died - Karen & Andrea - yet he showed neither any affection except when they were one-to-one. As a brother, wouldn't you have a serious talk with your bro regarding depression, communicable diseases, or at least to use some contraceptives?


Many good points here against them being siblings, although the evidence in favor of it seemed shaky at best, anyway. I will, however, say that siblings in film and tv (and yes, sometimes in real life) rarely bare any resemblance to each other, either in how they physically look, or how they act.
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It is an interesting question but I have seen no evdience to indicate that Milton and the Guv are realted or that they knew each other pre-ZA. I think there relationship would be more like Carol and Daryl (mius the sexual tendancies). They met rather early and one kept the other alive they have also shared the same highs and lows. Much like Daryl tended to Carol as Sophia died Milton would have been there for his friend when his daughter died (the first time).

Do you think Milton knew about walker Penny and started all of his experiments just as a way to help the Guv cope with his loss?
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Do you think Milton knew about walker Penny and started all of his experiments just as a way to help the Guv cope with his loss?


Milton seems to genuinely believe that a spark of a walker's former self still exists. I think the governor has been fanning those flames to make sure Milton keeps his drive to experiment, but on his own Milton still believes.
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I think EVERYONE is in agreement that they are not brothers. No need for any further arguments to the prove the point.

But...

Anyone care to speculate what their pre-ZA relationship was? Was Phillip the boss who took all the credit for Milton's telecommuting work? I still think Phillip saved his life by prying this agoraphobic out of his apartment or house.
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A webisode showing how Milton and Phillip know each other would be a good one I think, to fill out the back-story better.
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Anyone care to speculate what their pre-ZA relationship was? Was Phillip the boss who took all the credit for Milton's telecommuting work? I still think Phillip saved his life by prying this agoraphobic out of his apartment or house.


I am not convinced that they had a relationship pre-ZA, so I can't do much speculation there. However, I can say that, if they did, Philip likely wasn't Milton's boss, as from his own account, he wasn't in any position of power. Your last sentence there seems plausible enough to be true. I have a friend who only ever stays locked in his house, and if it weren't for me, would never make face-to-face contact with anyone from the outside world.
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I think EVERYONE is in agreement that they are not brothers. No need for any further arguments to the prove the point.

But...

Anyone care to speculate what their pre-ZA relationship was?

I've already given my two cents worth, but whatever the relationship is, it's unique. The G has henchmen who are are aware of his ruthlessness and fear him for it. The townspeople see him as a messiah. Neither group presents a voice of concern or descent about anything TG says or does (except Tyreese who is still a newbie).

Milton is in some sort of inner circle. I don't think it's just because of Penny. Woodbury was a plan they worked on together--originally for the purpose of creating a haven in the chaos. (Mentioned briefly in the last episode.)

Andrea pushes TG on issues concerning the surviors at the prison because she's compelled to, and too, because that's her personality. She can be an in-your-face kinda woman. Milton pushes as well, but it's certainly not due to a confrontational or fearless character. He's not adept at lying or manipulating either. He says only what he knows he can get away with saying--and to do that, he has to know TG intimately.

The fact that TG is giving Milton so much leeway in expressing a contrary view makes no sense unless there's some sort of connection or bond between them.
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Even if they knew each other prior to the ZA I don't see the relationship being very deep. I think somewhere along the line Milton ingratiated himself to TG by convincing him that there was a spark of humanity in the walkers and he had the skills to find it. The G was desperate enough to buy into the theory because of Penny. I am pretty sure Milton was not an actual scientist pre-ZA and if he was he was a really awful one. His "experiment" was about a sophisticated as an average 5th grade science project. Once Penny was gone Milton had to make himself useful in other ways which is why he so eagerly spied on Andrea at TG’s behest and tattled so readily when she made her first run to the prison. Milton is on very thin ice now. He holds no useful purpose for TG and since TG suspects him of the starting the pit barbecue his life expectancy is probably pretty short.
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I'd have to go back and watch it but didn't Milton say he was an only child (in the Mr. Coleman scene)?


Just rewatched that episode S3E7 "When the Dead Come Knocking".

At 24:18, Milton says, "I'm an only child. My parents died when I was young."
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Just rewatched that episode S3E7 "When the Dead Come Knocking".

At 24:18, Milton says, "I'm an only child. My parents died when I was young."


Thank you for confirming.

Thanks to Sticky, too.
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Lioness, I don't agree with your assessment of the situation here. My feelings have been that they do have a very close relationship, but I don't have a mite of evidence to say they were friends. I agree that the science fair experiment was well under what you would expect from a biologist, but if he were a computer science guy... And he "tattled" on Andrea (IMO) because he knew she would be followed and killed when she was inevitably detected. He also seemed rather reluctant to spy on her in the first place. Might just be me though:) I do think you are right that Milton won't last long, but I can think of someone in the comics that I don't think it's too much of a stretch for him to be an analog for, especially if you are right and Milton gained his position of trust by playing on hopes that he could find a cure...
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Maybe not brothers, but there is something there that feels like a familial bond to me. Milton obviously isn't dumb, he knows what happens to anyone that crosses Phillip. Yet he directly confronts him about the torture room? I feel unless there is something deeper this would be out of character for both Milton to confront and the governor not to retaliate. I am sure I
In Milton s mind he is not above reproach. Also the way he is the only person besides Andrea to refer to him as Phillip. The fact that he wouldn't let Andrea kill him and the way he is slightly defying him tells me something.

The only other logical conclusion I can come up with, is Phillip saved Milton from some terrible death, very traumatic, and swore to protect and help Phillip no matter what. Still doesn't quite explain the governor's side though, why he wouldn't have put Milton in the chair or in a locked room with merle yet.
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My impression of Milton is that he fears TG and has at least since Merle picked Andrea and Michonne up after the helicopter crash. TG was talking to Milton and after a brief exchange TG tells Milton to get off the radio. He is quite dismissive of him.

Later in the lab when Milton says that Michonne's pets became "docile" once they are unarmed (so to speak) TG says they're, "lurkers". Milton corrects him by repeating, "docile" then quickly corrects himself when TG raises an eyebrow at him and Milton then says, "or lurkers, whatever you like".

These two conversations indicate to me that the relationship is not based on friendship as much as it is TG tolerating Milton in the hope that he just might find an answer to the spark question. I also think that having a personal scientist (albeit. a poor one, adds to TG's ego). That is why TG has tea and other social encounters with him. But in reality, TG is like the school bully who provides some protection to the smart kid provided the smart kid does his homework. Despite Milton's apparent status TG always finds ways to remind him that his position is tenuous, at best.

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Very eloquent, Lioness, and good points. I had kind of dismissed those convos.
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Lovers perhaps ?


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Thank you bulby37. So many people on this blog have made these discussions really fun and thoughtful. I am enjoying my time here. Everyone has unique perspectives and most are willing to listen to ideas even when they don't necessarily agree with them. It has been a a pleasure spending time reading other's opinions while waiting for the next episode...which is only 2 days away now. :)
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Lovers perhaps ?


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I was going to ask who was the pitcher and who was the catcher? But I think we all know the answer...... Just call TG Johnny Bench.
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Lioness, great points. I haven't rewatched the episodes in order yet to pick up on small details like that yet, I'll wait till the season is over and see what I notice
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Since it's my personal belief that TG and Milton knew one another well before the ZA, I can't bring myself to believe TG kept him around solely for the "spark" issue and what it might mean for Penny. They were already a group of nine(?) before Penny turned. Now, Penny is gone and Milton is still within the inner circle. Granted, things are not the same.

They've both changed. TG has gone completely bonkers and I believe circumstances have forced Milton out of the depths of his agoraphobia and his dependency on TG to keep him safe. Remember when he was outdoors, among people, and talking to Andrea? He was taking his own pulse, which led me to believe he felt an anxiety attack coming on. Then, he was able to go out alone and burn zombies. He's growing beyond his need to protect his savior. It might get him killed, but he'll die mentally healthier.
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