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Carol told Andrea that they thought she was dead in I Ain't A Judas. I don't think Andrea blames the group, she just seemed happy that they were alive.
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Everyone in the group knew the score. Get away from the horde if you can, meet up if you're still alive. It wasn't specifically shown that there was a plan, but everyone else knew that folks would probably go back to the highway and regroup. When everyone but Andrea showed up, it was assumed she didn't make it and the group only had a certain amount of time to move on before they are being dumb risking the herd overtaking their position again. Andrea is an adult, she either makes it or doesn't. You don't endanger the children taking the whole group back not that mess, or send anyone on a suicide mission to rescue an adult woman who, if she was still alive, had to be smart enough to leave that particular area. You move on, take care of the ones you have left, keep an eye out for her, and hope what you think happened didn't. I have no reason to believe that Andrea hasn't already forgiven them, if she ever felt they did anything wrong.


I have been re-watching episodes this week and came across a conversation between Merle and Andrea in Woodbury. It is the episode called The Killer Within. Andrea gives Merle a map to the farm so he can go look for Daryl at the last place she saw him alive. He asks if she wants to go with him and she is silent. He observes that he has touched a nerve and he says something like , "Oh, you really did get cut loose. You got left behind by the same people who left me behind." She responds with, "I am sure they went back to look for me." But then adds defensively, "I didn't stick around to find out." The exchange takes place 18:47 minutes in. It is apparent that she really was feeling abandoned by Rick's group even though she logically knew that it in the chaos they must have thought she was dead. Of course, later on in the series, she shows no ill will towards the group but I think this little passage illuminates one more reason why she really didn't run to the prison group and leave Woodbury immediately upon discovering where they were.
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I have been re-watching episodes this week and came across a conversation between Merle and Andrea in Woodbury. It is the episode called The Killer Within. Andrea gives Merle a map to the farm so he can go look for Daryl at the last place she saw him alive. He asks if she wants to go with him and she is silent. He observes that he has touched a nerve and he says something like , "Oh, you really did get cut loose. You got left behind by the same people who left me behind." She responds with, "I am sure they went back to look for me." But then adds defensively, "I didn't stick around to find out." The exchange takes place 18:47 minutes in. It is apparent that she really was feeling abandoned by Rick's group even though she logically knew that it in the chaos they must have thought she was dead. Of course, later on in the series, she shows no ill will towards the group but I think this little passage illuminates one more reason why she really didn't run to the prison group and leave Woodbury immediately upon discovering where they were.


That's also typical Andrea. When Dale asked if she forgave him she said she was 'trying'. When Rick tried to make peace with her in Guts she was a No Go. She's just snarky or something.

Which leads me to ponder something. When she came to the Prison in I Ain't a Judas she yelled "Let me in!" and when Rick asked her if she was alone she just yelled his name at him. Then when he ripped the bag off her shoulder he pointedly told her 'I asked if you were alone!" Imagine Andrea with the Group in the season opening sequences. I can't. How long will it take her to just listen to someone without questioning them? Because that habit of hers gets on my last nerve.

And no, I don't hate Andrea any more than I hated Lori. I don't want terrible things to happen to her but hey, this is TWD so bad stuff will happen.
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That's also typical Andrea. When Dale asked if she forgave him she said she was 'trying'. When Rick tried to make peace with her in Guts she was a No Go. She's just snarky or something.

Which leads me to ponder something. When she came to the Prison in I Ain't a Judas she yelled "Let me in!" and when Rick asked her if she was alone she just yelled his name at him. Then when he ripped the bag off her shoulder he pointedly told her 'I asked if you were alone!" Imagine Andrea with the Group in the season opening sequences. I can't. How long will it take her to just listen to someone without questioning them? Because that habit of hers gets on my last nerve.

And no, I don't hate Andrea any more than I hated Lori. I don't want terrible things to happen to her but hey, this is TWD so bad stuff will happen.


Actually, I'd say that she didn't question the Guv enough and that is partly what got her into her current situation.
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That's also typical Andrea. When Dale asked if she forgave him she said she was 'trying'. When Rick tried to make peace with her in Guts she was a No Go. She's just snarky or something.

Which leads me to ponder something. When she came to the Prison in I Ain't a Judas she yelled "Let me in!" and when Rick asked her if she was alone she just yelled his name at him. Then when he ripped the bag off her shoulder he pointedly told her 'I asked if you were alone!" Imagine Andrea with the Group in the season opening sequences. I can't. How long will it take her to just listen to someone without questioning them? Because that habit of hers gets on my last nerve.

And no, I don't hate Andrea any more than I hated Lori. I don't want terrible things to happen to her but hey, this is TWD so bad stuff will happen.


I see her reaction to Rick at the prison as a different scenario than anything from season 2. When she showed up at the prison, she expected a warm greeting from the group, and instead got a rather cold frisking and interrogation. I believe she was so taken aback by the group's response to seeing her after all that time that she couldn't process what was being asked of her. Her face during that scene shows that she is struggling to grasp what is going on. I would have responded in much the same manner, given the situation.
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I think she was urging Rick to let her in because she was surrounded by walkers, not because she felt like she had a right to go in. I think Andrea handled herself quite humbly when she went to the prison. She was too shocked by Rick shoving her around and treating her like shit to talk. She could've stood up for herself, she could've pulled a knife on him, she could've been a bitch about them leaving her at the farm. She could've pulled a Lori on Rick after she found out he killed Shane. She didn't. She was just happy to see that Carol was okay, and when she learned about Shane her main concern was Rick.

I Ain't A Judas is actually one of the episodes where Andrea isn't bratty.

Imagine Andrea with the Group in the season opening sequences. I can't.


I can. They would've cleared the prison faster. That bitch kills zombies like nobody's business. They all can shoot the zombies, sure. But Andrea fucking wrestles them and can use a freaking breast pump to kill a zombie. She's like Chuck Norris when it comes to killing zombies. Give her a sheet of toilet paper and she'll figure out how to use it as a weapon to kill 30.
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I think she was urging Rick to let her in because she was surrounded by walkers, not because she felt like she had a right to go in. I think Andrea handled herself quite humbly when she went to the prison. She was too shocked by Rick shoving her around and treating her like shit to talk. She could've stood up for herself, she could've pulled a knife on him, she could've been a bitch about them leaving her at the farm. She could've pulled a Lori on Rick after she found out he killed Shane. She didn't. She was just happy to see that Carol was okay, and when she learned about Shane her main concern was Rick.

I Ain't A Judas is actually one of the episodes where Andrea isn't bratty.


I agree with this account fully. Given the circumstances, she handled herself very well.
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Actually, I'd say that she didn't question the Guv enough and that is partly what got her into her current situation.


That's because it was an emotional decision like with Shane. But can she accept leadership from someone who's not her romantic interest? I can't think of any.
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I see her reaction to Rick at the prison as a different scenario than anything from season 2. When she showed up at the prison, she expected a warm greeting from the group, and instead got a rather cold frisking and interrogation. I believe she was so taken aback by the group's response to seeing her after all that time that she couldn't process what was being asked of her. Her face during that scene shows that she is struggling to grasp what is going on. I would have responded in much the same manner, given the situation.


So the first question asked of her, not an unusual one give the circumstances, threw her for such a loop that she couldn't answer? Then she's more emotionally overwrought than I was thinking. :srug:
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I think she was urging Rick to let her in because she was surrounded by walkers, not because she felt like she had a right to go in. I think Andrea handled herself quite humbly when she went to the prison. She was too shocked by Rick shoving her around and treating her like shit to talk. She could've stood up for herself, she could've pulled a knife on him, she could've been a bitch about them leaving her at the farm. She could've pulled a Lori on Rick after she found out he killed Shane. She didn't. She was just happy to see that Carol was okay, and when she learned about Shane her main concern was Rick.

I Ain't A Judas is actually one of the episodes where Andrea isn't bratty.



I can. They would've cleared the prison faster. That bitch kills zombies like nobody's business. They all can shoot the zombies, sure. But Andrea fucking wrestles them and can use a freaking breast pump to kill a zombie. She's like Chuck Norris when it comes to killing zombies. Give her a sheet of toilet paper and she'll figure out how to use it as a weapon to kill 30.


Oh, most definitely! She gets a lot of mileage out of her stabby stabby :zombie02:

But I'm not talking knife skills, I'm talking people skills. I'm hoping she can join the Group and fit in with the team but remember in Season 2 she was following Shane's lead and questioning Rick's judgment. She was right in saying he'd gotten cold but I'm not sure she's going to draw positive conclusions from what she's seen. So wouldn't it be out of character for her to seamlessly join with the group? I thought I Ain't a Judas showed the gulf between them pretty well. I'm not saying she won't but I'm saying it will be a process. Maybe it will help heal Rick somewhat, too.
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Guys lets not all jump on poor things and stuff. :) one of the more respectful people who isn't crazy about andrea. Actually makes good points and doesn't act childish if insulting Andrea. Although I can imagine Andrea clearing the prison maybe even by herself :P. I'm not gonna 100% defend her people skills. Whether its too questiony or too naive its been a mess for her writing wise. But andrea does and always will speak her mind. I kind of like her snarkiness especially when used at the right time (with Lori in Herschel's kitchen)

But then again, I love Andrea haha

Edited by stickoffury412, 21 March 2013 - 02:34 AM.

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Andrea, in my opinion, is probably in the top three walkers killers with Darryl and Rick, maybe even the best (I refer you to the tree incident at the end of season 2. She used a TREE!)

HAHA. Anyway, I think they will all learn to forgive her and she will hopefully not be a bitch about it (I love her, but sometimes she can even annoy me.)

On a side note, I think Andrea would have most definetly sped up the prison clearing process. She'd have taken the grass from the field and found a way to kill with that, not like she'd need to, she could probably just user her fists.

HAHA :Boomstick_by_Preamp:
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