Ezekiel & Rick

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Are definitely going to end up squaring off. Personally I think Rick and co. are killing a lesser monster, to make room for a greater one. Zeke even has more of a God complex than Negan, there's no way he won't force his rules and customs on Rick and the Hilltop's communities. He also stated the area was his "Kingdom".



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agree Zeke is not to be trusted just because Jesus said so and i totally see the god complex already. What else has Jesus got up his sleeve and how well does he know this guy ?
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He also stated the area was his "Kingdom".


Jesus and Rick had to travel a distance before they arrived at the edge of Ezekiel's "Kingdom".
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Yeah, but I feel its safe to say he'll try and expand his Kingdom with Negan out of the way.
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I agree. I already posted this in the 108 review but to Ezekiel, Rick is just a means to an end. Negan will probably die volume 19 or 20 and then Ezekiel will expand and betray Rick.
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What happens if you don't wait for an escort?

What happens if you disobey Ezekiel?

Like fighting and such. Is his kingdom a city you think?
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Gotta think somewhere down the line after they deal with the Negan problem Ezekiel and Rick will have issues. After all it is a ricktatorship!
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Yeah ezekiel will deffenitly become a thorn in ricks side. I'd honestly love if the new bad guy was the army coming to wipe out the infected area of all survivors and zombies from like the uk or any safe haven.
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Is his kingdom a city you think?


If it is a whole city they haven't cleared it out and secured it. They all stay in an Elementary School during the winter and then sleep in tents when the Winter ends, remember? They definitely patrol some kind of perimeter, as Jesus knew exactly where they could meet those two guys on their horses during their patrol. Assuming the horses are necessary to patrol the perimeter I'd have to say it's probably a large area under Ezekiel's rule.
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We still don't know everything about Jesus and his motivation for bumping Negs off.
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We still don't know everything about Jesus and his motivation for bumping Negs off.

and what else he as "forgot" to tell Rick , how well does he know and trust zeke ? Every issue it seems Jesus is letting more and more info out. Why would Zeke need Carl`s info if Dwight has been there the whole time ?
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We still don't know everything about Jesus and his motivation for bumping Negs off.


the motivation to kill negan is so they dont have to give them supplies.. come on now
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What's Jesus motivation? It's almost like he's arranging chess pieces for an end game... Notice that Ezekiel had more to him than just a guy...He's a fucking KING. Negan is Stalin meets Fonzie/Andrew Dice Clay... Jesus just casually knows about all of these guys and holds out on the info until HE thinks Rick is ready to know...
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ezikiel seems like hes trying to come off noble and passive but mindful... but hes just the same as the rest of the leaders. secretly going after what he wants.
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i dont know why people still dont trust jesus, anyway i dont think ezekial will be a friend for to long right now rick and him have the same enemy but once negan is out of the picture i see zeke doing a whole lot of damage to ricks crew maybe even killing a few of the survivors even though id still wsnt to find out more about characters like aaron,heath,gaybriel and eugene before they get killed off.
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I realize we still don't know a ton about Ezekiel's group, but at first glance it appears that they may be another colony that is lacking guns, or atleast ammo. I mean having his "guards" ride around with swords? It could just be purely cosmetic, to play up with his little Medieval fantasy, but so far it looks like Rick's group is the only one who can still afford to use guns, especially now with Eugene starting his ammo manufacturing. I think this will ultimately play a huge role in this war for Rick. We really have to wait and see to learn more about the King and his Kingdom though.
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Just because we have not seen the Saviors use many guns does not mean Negan don't have a stash of ammo stored away for when he really needs it. I find this very likely that Negan has something up his sleeve that only he knows about and Negan don't trust Dwight for shit so he would not tell him about anything. We have not gotten the full info on the Saviors yet or how much ammo they have.
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Every issue it seems Jesus is letting more and more info out.


Maybe he's just airheaded.

It never seems like he is keeping away information to further his own agenda (if he has one) it seems more like he...just forgets stuff.
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I definitely think Jesus is just playing his cards carefully. Its clear Rick still has doubts about him, so he wouldn't want to reveal everything he knows right away. I still see Jesus staying on the good side of the fence, but I do think he at one point had a dark past.
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Maybe he's just airheaded.

It never seems like he is keeping away information to further his own agenda (if he has one) it seems more like he...just forgets stuff.


And that would be the way to play it if he was deliberatly withholding information, otherwise they would be onto him a lot quicker.
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who wants to bet that either....

a. eugene starts makin ammo and is taken by another group thereby putting rick and co at a distinct disadvantage and giving ultimate power to that group or...

b. rick amd co start makin ammo and negan is overthrown, word gets out about the ammo and everybidy want to trade, they don't wanna and ww3 zombie style over the ammo prodyction mill.
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