What I was saying that while the Gov is a sociopath and is very twisted, he is still capable of applying logic and is very smart. He's manipulating an entire town for crying out loud! He may be crazy but that doesn't impair his thinking at all. I'd call him more of an evil genius, a Moriarty if you will.
O So I'm saying, yeah, call him crazy cause he is, but don't be so dismissive about it as you would the average crazy person running around with underwear on their heads because obviously he is much more dangerous and his crazy his more subtle to those on the outside.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I find it very annoying when people do that. The reference I made to my neighbor who forgets to wear underwear was that my neighbor is someone with “a few screws loose”. I explicitly stated that is NOT what we’re dealing with when talking about the Governor. I never stated the Governor was not smart. I stated he is crazy. You said, "He may be crazy but that doesn't impair his thinking at all." That doesn't make any sense. Being "crazy" is a mental condition, thinking is controlled by the brain so if a person has a condition that affects their mind, their thinking would by definition be affected. Now I’m thinking the issue here is that you don't understand the definition of crazy, insane, mad, etc. A crazy person would have to have their thinking impacted, whether they wanted to or not. Its a condition that is not voluntary, nor can it be turned on and off. Often times the only way of controlling such a mental condition is through intense therapy and medication, which I doubt the Governor is receiving. Maybe you are not familiar with mental health, as I am, but for you to suggest that someone can be crazy and have it not impair their thinking at all may be the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard.
And for the record, I am well aware that someone can be very smart, yet crazy. Throughout history, there are multiple examples of this. ie. Jim Jones, who was intelligent enough to get his entire congregation of a 1000 people to go to Jonestown and commit mass suicide (he also thought he was God), Adolf Hitler, etc.
Rick is loosing his mind a bit too, he's talking to dead people on telephones now. Gov watches heads and keeps his dead daughter. Gov like Moriarty's eccentricities are definitely more twisted and evil compared to Rick's own, but comparable none the less. Despite both men loosing touch on reality to a certain degree, to disregard them like you would a normal crazy person would be underestimating their capabilities
Again, this goes back to your fundamental lack of understanding what being crazy is. Its not having weird little eccentricities, its a lot deeper than that. Rick is not crazy, Rick had a mental breakdown following the death of wife. There is a difference. A completely sane person can have a mental breakdown. Rick is not in the same category as the Governor by any means.
I never said that they always did not plan to kill the military guy they saved. You inferred that they would kill people on the spot in your last post and by using the military example I said that the Gov would rather befriend the person, if possible, for information first before killing them.
Once again, you’ve conveniently missed my point, which was that anyone outside of Woodbury deemed a threat, or who has something the Governor wants, will be killed. It doesn’t matter if it’s on the spot or a couple hours later. You seem to like to take certain aspects of my post and harp on them, while deliberately ignoring others. So this is why I think you seem to be missing to a large extent, what I’m saying.
"Happened upon Woodbury" meaning in the vicinity. I definitely think the Gov keeps a tight watch on the area around Woodbury, we've seen them map out areas as well as keep a special place for trapping walkers, so how else would he have known about the crash? It's not like the helicopter crashed 50 miles away. Unless the Gov saw it and happened to be following it themselves on the road after seeing it in the sky, the crash would have had to happen somewhere close to Woodbury. How else otherwise would they have been able to get there so quickly right when Michonne and Andrea did?
What we do know, and I’m sticking to the facts, is that upon procuring the soldier and Michone and Andrea they had to drive back to Woodbury in their vehicles. So he’s far enough away from Woodbury where he needs to drive. Again, he’s not just staying at Woodbury waiting for people to just wander to Woodbury gates. He’s going away from Woodbury, far enough that he has to drive, looking for people, supplies, etc. So the whole theory of defending Woodbury goes out the window when he’s leaving he’s territory and driving away.
"Just because its the ZA doesn't mean you have to lose your morals as a human being and go around killing other humans" But that issue is exactly what this entire show has been about from S2 up until now, especially with the moral battles of Dale vs. Shane vs. Rick involving Randall. New world vs. Old world is the old ideals vs. the new. It's part of what inspired the Ricktatorship speech and even Lori before she died tells Carl "He's going to beat this world." So there has been acknowledgement by plenty characters that this is a different world they are living in that requires different tactics. However, since it is a new world morals and even what is considered right and wrong might change to fit in the new world and survive. I think people are looking at it through the perspective of living in a non-ZA world, which is one way to approach it but not practical to apply to the characters on the show. Just as I said before the Gov isn't the only ones to use the tactics of encroaching on others, everyone so far on the show has done it. Hello? Rick and Co, pushing in on Hershel's farm! Even the Vatos who were ultimately seen as good guys, were about to get in a shoot out over the guns if the old lady hadn't of shown up. Right or wrong, pulling guns out on someone who you don't know, being apprehensive to a new group of people, manipulating, stealing or killing people for supplies isn't uncommon post ZA regardless of how immoral it is. Gov is definitely the most extreme and ruthless that we have seen so far but it is a theme that we have seen in the show even before him so I don't know why everyone treating it as its something new.
This is by far your most valid point. It is a different world. And there have been debates about killing others for survival. However, the situation with Randal was that he shot at the group first, directly threatened their lives and their survival. You mentioned Shane. Shane is actually a prime example of how someone can lose it post apocalypse and become unfit to be among human beings. His best friend had something he wanted, so why not just kill him right? It’s a different world now after all. Rick was aggressive in his desire to stay at the farm but he never, ever threatened Hershel’s life or indicated that he would be willing to kill Hershel for his farm. The Governor’s situation is simply not the same. He is leaving his territory, which is Woodbury, and going out and killing people for their supplies- the military guys, the Vatos. Again, he has become a serial killer. The definition of crazy is someone who has become a danger to themselves and/or others. The Governor certainly qualifies. He is not doing it for survival, as we can already see Woodbury is thriving… He is not killing in self defense, he is just killing. He’s clearly a highly intelligent, mad man.