[gracie lou]

Please go to the spoiler forum here to discuss the promo.

[TheTalkingZombie]

I cried during the episode and after when it all ended. Too many sad feels right now.   

P.S: Although I am a huge fan of comic Andrea, the T.V version right now, is making me highly irritable. Even in such an intense episode, I was rolling my eyes when they cut to Andrea and the Governor. I even cringed throughout her scene with Merle. That being said,  I loved the scene between Michonne and the Governor.

[Creeper]

Finally finished watching.  I'll have to rewatch for sure, my stream was so slow I saw it in couple-minute increments.

I'm just drained.  I didn't think AL over-acted at all.  As someone who was there when someone I loved suddenly died...I can tell you, sometimes disbelief and grief can come out sounding almost comical(to someone outside the situation), it isn't your run-of-the-mill cry, and everyone reacts to it differently.  It was very real, and very haunting to me.

I think Carol will make it, otherwise it would be a sacrifice for nothing.  I'm a little suprised that they assumed she was dead just because they found her scarf.

SWC did an awesome job. I was pretty well bawling.  Brave woman!  Poor Carl, he looks seriously so messed up.  I'm glad he got to say goodbye to his Mom though.

What an exhausting episode.  I think after that last bit, I just have to leave it for tonight.  There is lots of stuff worth commenting on, but not tonight!  I was afraid I wouldn't sleep well tonight, but I think I will actually...

[Xfirekeenmike]

Xfirekeenmike, on 05 November 2012 - 04:18 AM, said:

What does Rick do now? Kill Hershel Greene!

katiearob34, on 05 November 2012 - 04:38 AM, said:

Why?

At first I was, the next time you want to go for a walk Hershel Greene sit the fracks down!
But now remembering Rick let Andrew go free then may be Rick will be going Crazy Man!

[mr teaspoon]

So-so episode. Not happy to see ninja zombies return.

[brain baker]

If only Maggie and Carol had switched places. If Maggie went with T-Dog she would have been much closer to his back like they always do. Carol would have been able to deliver the baby. Everybody could have maybe lived that way.

Oh well can't blame Maggie for protecting Lori and stepping up to save the baby. Plus you can't blame Carol for stepping up to back up T-Dog everybody else left him out there alone. It's not her fault she not as good of a fighter.

[Deadpelican]

Drunktard, on 05 November 2012 - 05:00 AM, said:

No words on this one.
Such a good episode but at the same time such a sad one.
The scene with Carl and Lori was probably the most touching scene on the series for me.


Andrew, huh? Who knew he could be so cunning as to come up with a plan like that. And he almost had Rick on a fight, didnt know he was so strong. For a moment there during the fight when they showed the crossbow I thought Daryl would pick it up and shoot Andrew while holding the door locked with his back. Good thing that he didnt, that would have been too much for his character.

Andrew's 'resurrection'/ revenge scheme was the weak point of the episode, IMO.  I'm not a fan of the whole 'dead guy who's not really dead' cliche.  A plan to get back to safety that involves flooding the prison with walkers?  It doesn't make a lot of sense.

And did he really expect Oscar to welcome him back after he damn near got them killed by letting those things in?

katiearob34, on 05 November 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

But a funny observation. And now, true!

I think Oscar will be more than a token.

I think the producers said "we have a couple of strong African American characters, but they don't show up until later so we're just gonna stick some poor sap in there to occupy space until those others show up."

Edited by Deadpelican, 05 November 2012 - 05:34 AM.

[Sweetsister]

I can’t believe it was Andrew, I was 100% sure he was dead. I already posted the reasons why I “knew” it could not be Andrew, how he overcame them??? I have no clue.  I’m a bit disappointed the writers went that way. I suppose it served the purpose they wanted, confusion and separation of the group, killing off 2 characters and allowing the other 2 prisoners to prove they are trustworthy. This is the reason I’m giving the episode a lower rating than I did the others. The episode also seemed a bit rushed. The first episode of the season was fast paced but did not seem rushed, if that makes sense.

[Creeper]

Deadpelican, on 05 November 2012 - 05:29 AM, said:

Andrew's 'resurrection'/ revenge scheme was the weak point of the episode, IMO.  I'm not a fan of the whole 'dead guy who's not really dead' cliche.  A plan to get back to safety that involves flooding the prison with walkers?  It doesn't make a lot of sense.

I don't really buy Andrew surviving what he did either...but I think the plan of flooding the prison was maybe his ONLY plan.  The walkers are a variable.  Rick's crew were a sure thing - he would kill him if he saw him.  He knew there were a lot of them, he didn't know how many, so he couldn't risk taking them all on.  He probably figured him, Axel and Oscar could take back a cell block after the walkers had chased everyone else out.  Who knows. Where you're fighting for your life, things get a little crazy?

brain baker, on 05 November 2012 - 05:28 AM, said:

If only Maggie and Carol had switched places. If Maggie went with T-Dog she would have been much closer to his back like they always do. Carol would have been able to deliver the baby. Everybody could have maybe lived that way.

I was proud of Carol for the fight she did put up, she was right out there fighting with the rest of them.  As far as the baby situation...I honestly don't see how Lori could have been saved even if Carol were there. Heck, I'm not even sure about Herschel being able to save her.  A c-section is major surgery, I think sometimes people forget that because it is done so frequently!  In my mind, there was only ever a slim chance of Lori giving birth vaginally and surviving(with a live baby, they probably could have delivered a dead one), after we learned that she had Carl by c-section.

[alexpetrov]

Sweetsister, on 05 November 2012 - 05:34 AM, said:

I can’t believe it was Andrew, I was 100% sure he was dead. I already posted the reasons why I “knew” it could not be Andrew, how he overcame them??? I have no clue.  I’m a bit disappointed the writers went that way. I suppose it served the purpose they wanted, confusion and separation of the group, killing off 2 characters and allowing the other 2 prisoners to prove they are trustworthy. This is the reason I’m giving the episode a lower rating than I did the others. The episode also seemed a bit rushed. The first episode of the season was fast paced but did not seem rushed, if that makes sense.

In a separate thread I pointed out that there was another door in that yard where Andrew was locked. Nobody listened to me though

Here is the picture again:



I'm sure Andrew ran to that door, and taking into account that he knew the prison very well and was much faster than walkers his escape is quite believable to me

[BeardedOne]

Well played AMC, well played....

A lot of good and bad in this episode, but mostly good IMO.

Bad.....the "phantom of the prison" was Andrew, which I thought was pretty lame given his situation the last time we saw him AND the "zombie eats some motherfucker" noise thrown in for good measure.  Lame.

GOOD!!!!  Andrew gets shot in the face.  I like that.  It's like they shot him in the face to make up for the lame sub-plot.  Good.

GOOD!!!  LORI DIES!!!!!
Bad....Kind of a fucked up way to go, alone with a chick and your boy, being pursued by zombies and all.
GOOD!!  This scene was pretty ballsy IMO.  The whole "cut the baby out" deal is bad enough, but to have Carl have to witness AND participate in this is pretty heinous.  I wouldn't have expected AMC to do something like that, and I give them credit for taking the risk.

BAD....  Theodore Douglas is no longer with us.  /FINGER to AMC.
GOOD!!!  While he did get bit, he went down like a champ.  RIP T-Dog

Bad....  Rick breaking down like a baby.  Rick Grimes wouldn't do that for the sake of his son.

Good episode.

[Rainbowpony]

I've avoided spoilers like the plague, and I'm glad I did.  I had no idea all this was going down tonight, and this has got to be the best episode so far. When T-dogg got bitten, it was like a punch to the stomach, I did not see that coming at all, hell, I thought he was actually going to get some more screen time.  Lori went out with a bang, and even though I couldn't stand her, I hate to see her go.  The moment Maggie had that baby bent over her arm trying to get it to breathe, I was just waiting for it to bite her, but it didn't.

I missed the whole conversation between Andrea and Merle so I'll have to catch it later.

How in the F*** did Andrew escape and carry out this diabolical plan?  (And to everyone who said it could be Andrew doing this over the past week, I don't think I said it, but I thought it "No way in hell this is Andrew" so kudos, you had it all along.)

T-dogg, RIP, man, I really liked you and wished a better end for you than what you got.  You were a brave man.

Lori, RIP.  You got on my last nerve almost every time you opened your mouth, and if you were a real person in arm's reach of me I think I would have gladly knocked the crap out of you at least a time or two, but I'm still going to miss you, too.  Wow.

Carol, where are you?  Are you still alive?  At least it seems I'm not the only one unsure of your fate, so maybe you did survive.

Incredible episode.

[Adhesive-Bandage]

mtta1979, on 05 November 2012 - 03:13 AM, said:

Haha I was right all along I commented on here saying that whom ever was watching Carl was the inmate who was being chased by Rick out in the court yard (Andrew) and also I was so right on how Lori would die and so far was the only one on here to suspect how she would die and I was right on that one Lori would die during child birth which she did, just didn't know who would shoot her before she turned after she died from child birth!

Whaddya want, a cookie?

[Adhesive-Bandage]

Serenity@sea, on 05 November 2012 - 03:58 AM, said:

Sarah Wayne Callies was fantastic.

Why did Maggie make Carl do it? I know that it had to be so incredibly hard but she should have stepped up and not made Carl do it.

Carl insisted he do it. Go watch the scene again.

[Zprime]

All I can say is wow. I'm watching it again and I"m not sure if I can make it thru the ending again. I got a tissue if needed...again. =(

[Xfirekeenmike]

Was looking forward to some breastfeeding and or some nipple stimulations and then she had to go and get cesareaned.

[DeadCave]

Hey, does this mean we might see Iron Singleton in one more episode... as a 1/2 eaten T-Dog walker?

[brain baker]

DeadCave, on 05 November 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

Hey, does this mean we might see Iron Singleton in one more episode... as a 1/2 eaten T-Dog walker?

We can only hope.

[Serenity@sea]

Adhesive-Bandage, on 05 November 2012 - 05:49 AM, said:

Carl insisted he do it. Go watch the scene again.

I never said he did not insist. I don't need to watch the scene again. There was a point where he hesitated (and I don't blame him). If I was Maggie I would have stepped up and taken care of it myself.

[Morgan's Return]

leon the pig farmer, on 05 November 2012 - 04:25 AM, said:

Who's "Oscar"???????

Leela, on 05 November 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

Replacement Token.

Deadpelican, on 05 November 2012 - 04:38 AM, said:

That's cynical

Cynical maybe... Accurate definitely...

Deadpelican, on 05 November 2012 - 05:29 AM, said:

I think the producers said "we have a couple of strong African American characters, but they don't show up until later so we're just gonna stick some poor sap in there to occupy space until those others show up."

And that poor sap is called a token, and unfortunately for IronE, T-Dog was it.

[Sweetsister]

I did enjoy the part where Daryl stole T-Dogs line, they were talking about whether or not to let Oscar and Axel into their group and Daryl gives us a "hell no"! responding to T-Dog, a fun bit amist all sadness.

[Rainbowpony]

Adhesive-Bandage, on 05 November 2012 - 05:43 AM, said:

Whaddya want, a cookie?

Ya know, for all the flack the people got who thought Andrew survived (not me) from all the people who 100% KNEW Andrew was dead (me), I think they should get two cookies, a bag of popcorn, and a soda.

[Judari]

brain baker, on 05 November 2012 - 05:28 AM, said:

If only Maggie and Carol had switched places. If Maggie went with T-Dog she would have been much closer to his back like they always do. Carol would have been able to deliver the baby. Everybody could have maybe lived that way.

I doubt Carol could have saved Lori. She probably would have done less damage in cutting into Lori but she wouldn't have had any thing sterile to sew her up and the chances of her bleeding out or dying of infection would have been high. I'm not even sure Hershel could have saved her. Lori's only real chance is if they could have prepared for it with items from the infirmary and even then her chances werent great with a c-section.  

Glad it was Maggie. I feel shes more emotionally stable to handle that rather than Carol, poor woman has been through enough without feeling like she was responsible for killing Lori.

[Serenity@sea]

Rainbowpony, on 05 November 2012 - 05:58 AM, said:

Ya know, for all the flack the people got who thought Andrew survived (not me) from all the people who 100% KNEW Andrew was dead (me), I think they should get two cookies, a bag of popcorn, and a soda.

I think a lot of those people who were insisting he was alive may have had a little help with a leaked episode summary.

[Sweetsister]

alexpetrov, on 05 November 2012 - 05:40 AM, said:

In a separate thread I pointed out that there was another door in that yard where Andrew was locked. Nobody listened to me though

Here is the picture again:



I'm sure Andrew ran to that door, and taking into account that he knew the prison very well and was much faster than walkers his escape is quite believable to me

You’re right about the door, but I still think its really unbelievable. Andrew was screaming bloody murder which would attract walkers to him. Once back in the prison he had to evade any walkers that were around. He is able to get an axe, find a deer carcass, find a knife to cut its heart out, start the alarm (still evading walkers) and take revenge on Ricks group while at the same time putting himself at peril IMO it’s a far reach, but that’s what the writers decided to do. I’m sure many people believe its possible, but I’m not one of them.

Edited by Sweetsister, 05 November 2012 - 06:14 AM.