[Gingerbeard]

So, I bring this question up a lot because I thought it was the most thought provoking question in S2 of Walking Dead. Would you kill Otis in the situation Shane was in? I would. Simply because, I could either die with Otis and subsequently kill Carl OR I can kill Otis, survive and save Carl. No offense to Otis, but he wasn't the most useful person to have around. I think if I was in that situation and it was killed or be killed. I would kill.


How about everybody else?

[NiallC]

I might have waited a bit longer just to see if it was possible we'd both survive but if that possibility didn't look like happening I'd have shot him. I would shot him in the head to put him out of the pain but we all know what happens when people die now...

[Barry Cade]

We're talking about Carl here, people! Kill Otis, save Carl? The answer is obvious! Otis lives, Shane and he should have gone for a beer in town.

[DeadCave]

The fact that Shane knew he would have to carry the extra weight of (Otis') packs anyway should've exempted him from killing Otis. He should've just taken Otis' pack and go on and if Otis fell behind naturally (Poor fat bastard ~Zombieland) then so be it. At least the blood wouldn't have been on his hands. But yeah, he should've mortally wounded Otis if he was going to shoot him.

[Gingerbeard]

I never understood why he shot Otis in the leg to let him be eaten alive. I guess to make it more dramatic... and to make people dislike Shane and push him towards being an antagonist.

[Sweetsister]

poor Otis he really fought at the end, scratching up Shane and pulling his hair..the question is shoot or don't shoot....then in that situation I'd go for a kill shot, and try and live with myself...if I could.

[Ansceniiiic]

 Gingerbeard, on 04 July 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

I never understood why he shot Otis in the leg to let him be eaten alive. I guess to make it more dramatic... and to make people dislike Shane and push him towards being an antagonist.

Otis being eaten alive attracts more of then walkers attention with his screaming, wriggling around and such. Gives Shane more time to escape the onslaught.

And yes, I would have killed him.

Edited by Ansceniiiic, 04 July 2012 - 06:49 PM.

[backwoodsroamer]

No I wouldn't have shot Otis. In my opinion, they both could have made it. Even if not, I wouldn't have shot him. Shane was a coward, a bully, and a murderer. Shooting Otis was the plot device that made that obvious to the fans.

[Boota]

I wouldn't have shot Otis. I also wouldn't have swung the door wide on the trailer we had just slipped into unobserved and acted surprised when the zombies were out there. It seemed like they were intentionally attracting attention when they did that.

If I was Shane my plan would have been to have Otis waiting in the truck while I got in and got what we needed. Then when the escape was needed Otis could drive down and pick me up if I couldn't make it back out.

[backwoodsroamer]

 Boota, on 04 July 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

I wouldn't have shot Otis. I also wouldn't have swung the door wide on the trailer we had just slipped into unobserved and acted surprised when the zombies were out there. It seemed like they were intentionally attracting attention when they did that.

If I was Shane my plan would have been to have Otis waiting in the truck while I got in and got what we needed. Then when the escape was needed Otis could drive down and pick me up if I couldn't make it back out.

You've hit it on the head. The whole plan was pretty pathetic. Actually, when you think about it, the writer's didn't make Shane a rocket scientist did they. The kill Randall, break my own nose, tell a transparent lie, and then kill Rick plan was pretty lame too.

Edited by backwoodsroamer, 04 July 2012 - 08:06 PM.

[the Walkin Dude]

 Boota, on 04 July 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

I wouldn't have shot Otis. I also wouldn't have swung the door wide on the trailer we had just slipped into unobserved and acted surprised when the zombies were out there. It seemed like they were intentionally attracting attention when they did that.

If I was Shane my plan would have been to have Otis waiting in the truck while I got in and got what we needed. Then when the escape was needed Otis could drive down and pick me up if I couldn't make it back out.

Boota, to quote BWR here Shane was definitely not a rocket scientist when it came to planning.  The yneeded Otis to go in and get the medical supplies i remember because he had said he had been an EMT and could recognize the equipment that was needed to save Carl whereas Shane could not have recognized it.  IMHO a better plan would have been for Shane to create a distraction outside and let Otis go in alone and get the medical supllies and Shane pick him up in the truck. Hell shane could have let Otis out of the truck and Shane could have just driven up that way beeping the horn and leading the walkers away, like the ped piper and then when he got them far enough away sped back and picked Otis up. Or a better group to have gone would have been Glenn, Otis and Shane. This was just the writers easy way to add on to Shanes bad rep.

[DeadCave]

 the Walkin Dude, on 04 July 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Boota, to quote BWR here Shane was definitely not a rocket scientist when it came to planning.  The yneeded Otis to go in and get the medical supplies i remember because he had said he had been an EMT and could recognize the equipment that was needed to save Carl whereas Shane could not have recognized it.  IMHO a better plan would have been for Shane to create a distraction outside and let Otis go in alone and get the medical supllies and Shane pick him up in the truck. Hell shane could have let Otis out of the truck and Shane could have just driven up that way beeping the horn and leading the walkers away, like the ped piper and then when he got them far enough away sped back and picked Otis up. Or a better group to have gone would have been Glenn, Otis and Shane. This was just the writers easy way to add on to Shanes bad rep.

Yeah, why use road flares to attract the zombies attention (yeah it worked but not for long) when they could've hot-wired one of the cop-cars, set the sirens all a blazing and lights going, put it in reverse and let it roll on down the hill towards one of the houses in the background... then waited for all those to pass going after it... even more still, set one of the background houses on fire and let the light attract the buggers until the area is cleared giving more time to get the stuff, get back to the truck and la-de-ta-de-dah!

Should've let me gone and get the damned supplies.

[the Walkin Dude]

Agree DC, both of your ideas would have worked better than Shanes, he half a$$ed got it right to get them in with the flare distraction but gave no thought at all of escape or exit.

[Boota]

Assuming Shane couldn't be told what to get I guess finding a way to get Otis in would have worked better. Either way, one guy on the outside in the truck was the way to go to ensure a better chance at escape. I like the cop car with sirens distraction, too. Show-wise, though, what happened worked perfectly. If not we wouldn't still be talking about it. I think that was the first of many jaw dropping moments of the season.

[Trillian]

 Boota, on 06 July 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Assuming Shane couldn't be told what to get I guess finding a way to get Otis in would have worked better. Either way, one guy on the outside in the truck was the way to go to ensure a better chance at escape. I like the cop car with sirens distraction, too. Show-wise, though, what happened worked perfectly. If not we wouldn't still be talking about it. I think that was the first of many jaw dropping moments of the season.

That is the problem, isn't it?  If Shane and Otis come up with a better plan, the whole episode loses its effectiveness.  

My jaw literally did drop when Shane shot Otis in the leg.  And then the scene at the end with Shane in the bathroom was positively chilling.

[backwoodsroamer]

 Trillian, on 06 July 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

That is the problem, isn't it?  If Shane and Otis come up with a better plan, the whole episode loses its effectiveness.  

My jaw literally did drop when Shane shot Otis in the leg.  And then the scene at the end with Shane in the bathroom was positively chilling.

I agree. The whole scene was a plot device. Otis's murder was used to show us that Shane was not just a morally ambiguous person, but was deranged and dangerous. As a plot device the murder was very effective.

Were the action a real life event I would have played it some other way. If I was writing the scene in real life, I doubt I could have created anything with that level of drama.

[Babs Bladdyblah]

 backwoodsroamer, on 04 July 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

You've hit it on the head. The whole plan was pretty pathetic. Actually, when you think about it, the writer's didn't make Shane a rocket scientist did they. The kill Randall, break my own nose, tell a transparent lie, and then kill Rick plan was pretty lame too.

[lizbooet2]

No way I would try to find something else to slow those walkers down.

[I R Biter]

 Gingerbeard, on 04 July 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

No offense to Otis, but he wasn't the most useful person to have around.

If I recall correctly, he was an EMT, knew his way around a gun, and played guitar.....very well  

[brain baker]

I would have shot Otis. Let's be real here, Otis wouldn't have been faster then Shane. Plus it was Otis' fault they even had to go there........so if anyone has to die it should have been him anyways.

[Barry Cade]

 brain baker, on 14 July 2012 - 04:29 AM, said:

I would have shot Otis. Let's be real here, Otis wouldn't have been faster then Shane. Plus it was Otis' fault they even had to go there........so if anyone has to die it should have been him anyways.

If memory serves Shane had hurt his ankle and was actually holding Otis up somewhat, Otis had tried to help him along which precipitated the whole shooting shebang.

EDIT: I can't find the clip of him limping slightly, so am I going nuts?

Edited by Barry Cade, 14 July 2012 - 08:41 AM.

[BigEd]

 brain baker, on 14 July 2012 - 04:29 AM, said:

Plus it was Otis' fault they even had to go there...

Actually they both volunteered to go.

The reason why they were there was to get medical supplies to an wounded child from the result of a tragic hunting accident. Otis chose to go out of sheer guilt from the hunting accident. Shane chose to go in place of Rick because Rick had to stay behind to give blood to Carl and keep him alive.

Conversely I was very surprised Otis did not accidentally shoot Shane.

Otis's .308 Remington 700 shot passed through the deer and hit Carl.

TWD S02:E03: Save the last one. At the School, after Shane injured his foot/ankle/leg from the fall out of the Auditorium/Gym. His back was up against a fence and he was reloading his shotgun with a walker comming straight at him. Otis shot the walker from behind but Shane was not hit. From the camera angle/Shane's POV, I was surprised Shane was not hit.

Not my drawing.

[brain baker]

He shot Carl not on purpose but he did. If he hadn't there would have been no reason to be there so yeah his fault. Shane did hurt his ankle but Otis did too. When Otis jumped from the bleachers he was hurt. They limped out holding each other up.

[brain baker]

 BigEd, on 14 July 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

Not my drawing.

Looks like Otis put on a little more weight after shooting Carl.

[I R Biter]

The honorable thing would be a genuine footrace......whoever makes it, makes it.......overweight EMT farmhand vs. injured hothead cop......well duh, injured hothead cop will shoot the farmhand, and......I don't know what my point was anymore.....

I'd still rather have Otis, the EMT, hunter, and musician around than Shane, who's basically Rick with reduced people skills and no patience.

Edited by I R Biter, 14 July 2012 - 11:40 PM.