[wolfefire]

Is it just me or have the writers missed a good opportunity with Shane. I think this would have been an awesome story line. Turn Shane loose on Woodbury and the governor. Comments...

[Matt]

Meh.

[chewygooey]

shane would join up with the governer in exchange for him having rick killed, and leaving lori and carl alone.

[youfollowme?]

It seems like Shane worked best when confronted with external threats. He could have been useful in the struggle with the Governor. I don't think Shane would cooperate with the Governor at all, he's very territorial about the group, as demonstrated with Randall. I also think it could have been fascinating to see what would have happened if Shane had gone with Rick to get Hershel at the bar rather than Glenn going. It might have been enough to reunite Shane and Rick against an outer enemy, and Shane definitely would have just killed Randall while Randall's leg was impaled after falling.

[Babs Bladdyblah]

youfollowme?, on 13 June 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

It seems like Shane worked best when confronted with external threats. He could have been useful in the struggle with the Governor. I don't think Shane would cooperate with the Governor at all, he's very territorial about the group, as demonstrated with Randall. I also think it could have been fascinating to see what would have happened if Shane had gone with Rick to get Hershel at the bar rather than Glenn going. It might have been enough to reunite Shane and Rick against an outer enemy, and Shane definitely would have just killed Randall while Randall's leg was impaled after falling.

I agree. Pitting Shane against the Governor would have kept Shane busy, and maybe it would have given him more time to rethink trying to kill Rick. And if he still had to die, I would have much preferred him going down trying to help the group, instead of hurting them.

[Kat]

Babs Bladdyblah, on 14 June 2012 - 12:11 AM, said:

I agree. Pitting Shane against the Governor would have kept Shane busy, and maybe it would have given him more time to rethink trying to kill Rick. And if he still had to die, I would have much preferred him going down trying to help the group, instead of hurting them.

I agree totally.  It would have been a more fitting and reasonable end to a great character and a real opportunity for some excellent dramatic action.

[Goat]

Nah, not feelin' it.  Shane went in good time.  All is right with the world again. Shane's old news.  I'm ready for the new shiz.

Now... Ed vs. Gov.  There's something to get excited about.  Laundry in Woodbury would be no joke with him around.  Because, y'know, this ain't no comedy club.

[WalkerBaitress]

youfollowme?, on 13 June 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

It seems like Shane worked best when confronted with external threats. He could have been useful in the struggle with the Governor. I don't think Shane would cooperate with the Governor at all, he's very territorial about the group, as demonstrated with Randall. I also think it could have been fascinating to see what would have happened if Shane had gone with Rick to get Hershel at the bar rather than Glenn going. It might have been enough to reunite Shane and Rick against an outer enemy, and Shane definitely would have just killed Randall while Randall's leg was impaled after falling.

IMO that would've done more to tear Shane and Rick apart than it would have done to unite the two. Rick was clearly against abandoning Randall, and might have been against even killing him, until he found out about Randall's knowing who the Greenes were and where their home was located. Shane, OTOH, would have seen Randall as a threat from Day 1, and his wanting to "just kill Randall" without any kind of a "tribunal" like Rick later tried to set up would not have sat well with Rick.

Shane and Rick were destined to blow apart. They're two totally different molds of leader, and their differing philosophies and approaches to life were bound to come to a head at some point, even if Shane had survived Season 2. The way they even viewed members of their own group differed profoundly (e.g. searching for Sophia). Did anyone else catch the subtle threat Shane made against Daryl in "Better Angels" (when he suggested he bring Randall out with Daryl to "get to know him a little better"), and Rick sensed this and thwarted it? To me, Rick saw Daryl as an important ally whereas Shane only saw him as an obstruction (particularly his own replacement, which is turning out to be the case post-Shane...)

[youfollowme?]

WalkerBaitress, on 14 June 2012 - 02:30 AM, said:

IMO that would've done more to tear Shane and Rick apart than it would have done to unite the two. Rick was clearly against abandoning Randall, and might have been against even killing him, until he found out about Randall's knowing who the Greenes were and where their home was located. Shane, OTOH, would have seen Randall as a threat from Day 1, and his wanting to "just kill Randall" without any kind of a "tribunal" like Rick later tried to set up would not have sat well with Rick.

Good point, but I disagree that Shane killing Randall at that point would have driven Rick and him apart that much. If Shane had been in the bar scene with Rick, he would have witnessed Rick killing Dave and Tony. I don't think Rick would feel as apt to judge Shane's actions if Shane had seen that. Also, if Shane had killed Randall immediately, Rick wouldn't have made Randall into such a moral dilemma, since he wouldn't be responsible for what happened to him. It would make the situation easier on Rick.

[WalkerBaitress]

youfollowme?, on 14 June 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

Good point, but I disagree that Shane killing Randall at that point would have driven Rick and him apart that much. If Shane had been in the bar scene with Rick, he would have witnessed Rick killing Dave and Tony. I don't think Rick would feel as apt to judge Shane's actions if Shane had seen that. Also, if Shane had killed Randall immediately, Rick wouldn't have made Randall into such a moral dilemma, since he wouldn't be responsible for what happened to him. It would make the situation easier on Rick.

Both great points. I almost forgot about Dave and Tony; they were but microseconds in the entire S2 timeline.

[DoctorManhattan89]

Shane's violent aggressive attitude plus the Governor equals Shane getting killed...

[ibivibiv]

^This.  The Governor represents the evolution of the "Shane" character if Shane had been allowed to run the group of survivors and then eventually created a small town and army.  The Governor is far better at being Shane than Shane could have ever thought of being.  /thread

[Trippy]

S.O.S.

You have been warned.

[DreaM]

DoctorManhattan89, on 15 June 2012 - 05:57 AM, said:

Shane's violent aggressive attitude plus the Governor equals Shane getting killed...

I agree. They are both equally psychotic, but the Governor was sooo much smarter. Mind you, I am basing this off the comics and the novel, but the Governor character showed far more intelligence and forethought than Shane did. He could have used Shane's outrageous "I'm the only one keeping you all alive ego" to tear the group apart and take everyone down.

[Kansas Slim]

nah... i think they did this well - you have to set up the Ricktatorship.

[thewalkingdan]

Shane's time spent on the show was perfect. He lasted longer than he did in the comics which allowed us to see his character truly develop, something I wish the comics would have done. There was nowhere else to take his character. I don't want another season of him and Rick clashing with each other.

[xaviersaint]

No. They did exactly what they needed to do with Shane. He was different from his comic character but relatively suffered the same fate. Ultimately, Shane versus the Governor- great piece of fan fiction for someone to write, not good television. Besides, people were calling for Shane's head at the end of season 1, I can't imagine how loud that call would have been had he gotten to season 3.

[prince_charming]

...Which is why I think the show could have been a little more interesting, had the scene in the field played out the opposite of what it did...having Shane try to explain to Lori what happened in the midst of the chaos that night at the barn.

[DreaM]

ibivibiv, on 18 June 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

^This.  The Governor represents the evolution of the "Shane" character if Shane had been allowed to run the group of survivors and then eventually created a small town and army.  The Governor is far better at being Shane than Shane could have ever thought of being.  /thread

Well said. So do you think that means there will be a whole lot of people who want the Governor leading their camp instead of Rick, who isn't crazy or aggressive enough to make some people happy?

[Mr. Martini]

I'm pretty sure that only a minority hold the same views as me on the matter of Shane, but I really felt sorry for him. I thought he was a very complex individual but don't think he was psychotic. I think a large part of the rift between Rick and Shane was down to Lori. She basically planted the idea of Shanes death in Ricks head, then confesses to Shane that she owes hers and Carls life to him after he saved them at the beginning of the apocalype.

The Governer on the other hand. Crazy.

[NervousCandy]

Mr. Martini said:

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I'm pretty sure that only a minority hold the same views as me on the matter of Shane, but I really felt sorry for him. I thought he was a very complex individual but don't think he was psychotic. I think a large part of the rift between Rick and Shane was down to Lori. She basically planted the idea of Shanes death in Ricks head, then confesses to Shane that she owes hers and Carls life to him after he saved them at the beginning of the apocalype.

The Governer on the other hand. Crazy.

I am in complete agreement with you. At the end I would consider Shane a poor confused broken man who was driven to kill Rick through huge amounts of loneliness coupled with jealousy. He did turn into an antagonist but a human  and sympathetic antagonist. The governor on the other hand is a complete and total fucking monster.

[MColemanMusic]

At the point Shane was at towards the end of Season 2, it does seem logical that he would've joined The Governor's group. But it's really hard to say what would happen to him...

Lori and Carl seem to be 1st in his mind so I could also see Shane trying to kill The Governor to protect them...He would easily die against The Governor in my opinion.

[kill3r]

I kinda wish he was killed sooner if he was still alive I would have probably stopped watching the show

[Rague]

Late to this topic, but I agree. I was thinking about what Season 3 would be like if Shane was alive for the inevitable conflict with the Governor. Everyone's made good points all ready; Shane's mentality versus the Governor's would be an incredible battle!

Since Shane wasn't supposed to live to Season 2, it's kind of punch to the gut when he died just an episode short of the Governor's introduction.

[thelastpaul]

Goat, on 14 June 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:

Nah, not feelin' it.  Shane went in good time.  All is right with the world again. Shane's old news.  I'm ready for the new shiz.

Now... Ed vs. Gov.  There's something to get excited about.  Laundry in Woodbury would be no joke with him around.  Because, y'know, this ain't no comedy club.

You genuinely made me lol.