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sure, it's going to happen, and soon, too. we know for a fact that SS can't withstand the baby boomers hitting retirement. Pols dont dare touch SS, so they'll inflate the $ to utter worthlessness. Then see if mere TP can buy food and fuel to haul food to you, pump water and create electicity. Then what, hmm? zombies will be easy to deal with, compared to desperate, gun armed "neighbors". Diseases will run rampant within months, too. Are all your vaccinations up to date?


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A well organised army and a cohesive society would make mincemeat of a TWD style zombie apocalypse. However, society has to stay in one piece and remain functioning to keep a ZA under control. Two things could lead to a full scale ZA. First, to keep the army together and supplied, that requires money, and a functioning economy. Supplies aren't just guns and ammunition, they include food, clothing, and transport costs. It could be that the many and varied costs of keeping the thousands of dead people every day from reanimating may destabilise the economy. If the world economy crashes properly, then sufficient resources may not be available. 

 

Secondly, a world stretched by containing a universal zombie virus infected population might not be able to continue resisting the zombie menace if weakened by a second disaster. Nuclear war. Technological breakdown. Etc. 

 

Economic breakdown could lead to widespread famine, lack of medicine, etc. This could lead to an increase in the death rate, and a populace weaker and less able to keep zombies contained. At some tipping point, the weakened ability of society to contain zombies could allow their numbers to increase, resulting in humanity being overwhelmed. If you have starving people shooting each other to steal each others food and these people are often reanimating, then you have a much more dangerous society. If you have parents stealing food to feed their starving children, then they're going to be more interested in obtaining food and getting back home to protect them ASAP than cleaning up after themselves. After all, if they're out robbing and killing other people, someone else could be doing that back at home. 

 

The Day of the Triffids is a good comparison IMHO. Society was on completely on top of the Triffids initially, farming and exploiting them, until something happened to break society. When the global blindness struck, at that point, Triffids became a potential humanity exterminating force. Rather than the useful resource that they had been.

 

If you have a safe society, then people may be happy to chain themselves to their bed should they die and reanimate in the night. If there is widespread violent crime and theft, then chaining yourself to the bed means that you're more vulnerable to home intruders. 

 

TLDR; If there is widespread infection a'la TWD, then society doesn't only have to be able to handle a ZA now, it has to be perpetually able to contain a ZA now and indefinitely into the future.


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We would lose the battle eventually and everything would fall apart. The world has over 7 billion people. Think about how many people die a day. Then you have to add how many people will get bit/scratched. Then your not counting hospitals when they possibly get overwhelmed.

Society doesn't band together in the middle of a crisis. Most of the time we fall apart and fend for ourselves. During the first few weeks there will be major looting. Medicines and everything important will be wasted rather quickly.

I see small towns maybe band together and figure something out. The larger cities however will be over quickly withing a few weeks. Then you have the bad people killing people. Katrina the hurricane has proven one thing the U.S government isn't ready for anything on a large scale. Then again i would expect them to be. You know the man power it would take to just slow this down? People will be going crazy it just wouldn't work.
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What about all the other rules of nature just because one thing happens that should not be possible happens is everything thing else thrown out the window. And to say that the dead can not come back to life means certain people are wrong about their current life style choices.


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A lot of the answers to "can it spread this fast" are based on the assumption that people knew what it was.  In TWD they did not know what it was - they didn't know what zombies were or how to deal with them.  (The word "zombie" does not exist in their vocabulary - each group makes up their own term to describe them.)  Hershel kept his infected relatives and neighbors in the barn thinking they were sick.  And it is more a more logical conclusion - you won't just assume your loved ones turned into zombies and shoot them if they start to act aggressive and weird.  Morgan was unable to shoot his zombie wife even when he knew full well what she was.

 

Since zombies do not act dead, they would be presumed alive by all authorities and have all the rights of the living people.  They could only be fatally shot if they presented a real risk to someone's life, but since they do not use weapons, and the deadliness of their bites is unknown, shooting them would not be acceptable.  The epidemic breaks out in the world that never had zombie lore, so for every zombie the police shoots, the headlines on twitter and facebook would read "police shoots unarmed man in a poor neighborhood".  The abnormal aggressive behavior of the zombies would be treated as a medical condition.  Zombies would be apprehended but all care would be taken not to harm them.  In the process, they would likely bite many of the police and medical personnel handling them.

 

Any information that would be gathered about zombies would first be available to the government and the government would not spread it to the general public out of fear that it could cause massive panic.  Massive panic alone, without zombies, has disastrous consequences.  Also, government's first objective in today's Western world is to keep the economy running, so they would not advise the public to do anything that could adversely affect the economy (they wouldn't come out and say "hey we found a dozen strange cases of we don't know what around Atlanta, so everyone, please lock your doors and stay home until we know more").  People working at the CDC and all other gov't agencies sign all sorts of non-disclosure agreements and could lose their jobs or worse if they let any information out, so at first they would keep quiet too.

 

Now about the news spread by everyday people via social media - with the amount of ridiculous crap on social media, I wouldn't believe anything I read there in the first place.  If something is just too weird to be true, I would assume it is not true.  I would also have some (misplaced and misguided) hope in the competency of the government and say to myself "if it was real and important, the gov't would do something about it". 

 

By the time you figured out what zombies were, how the infection spreads, the little known fact that anyone will reanimate if dead from any cause, how to destroy a zombie and the fact that destroying the zombie is the only thing you can do to stop it (they won't just stop, die on their own or get better), it might be way too late to do anything constructive, even with the army involvement.  So yes - it could happen.  In our world, ZA with zombies identical to the ones we made up could be dealt with easily, but it is very unlikely since those zombies are made up.  Anything else that is similarly deadly and bizarre could cause a collapse.  Although to be fair - Americans would be better able to survive it due to a very high mistrust of government and a spirit of self-reliance.


Edited by Mar22, 28 October 2015 - 03:18 PM.

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Never underestimate the ineptness and stupidity of government and the bureaucrats who run it. Also another factor (the biggest one IMO) is human stupidity. All it takes is one person to hide a bite on their way into an army base and it's all she wrote for that base in all likelihood.

A ZA could definitely happen and I don't think the military would be able to handle it. A swarm of 100 000 zombies would in all likelihood overrun any position unless nukes were on the table. The govt wouldn't want to use nukes because of fallout and public reaction. It would have to get real bad for the govt to consider nuking their own cities. And, IMO, by that time it's too late.

Edited by JacksSurprise, 02 November 2015 - 03:03 AM.

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Never underestimate the ineptness and stupidity of government and the bureaucrats who run it. Also another factor (the biggest one IMO) is human stupidity. All it takes is one person to hide a bite on their way into an army base and it's all she wrote for that base in all likelihood.

 

I agree with never underestimating human stupidity. But one bite, is not a military base overrun.

 

"Zombie" movies have been around since 1968.

 

I do not think I can find someone who does not know what a "Zombie" is. And if you know what a "Zombie" is, you pretty much know how to kill one. This is especially true for people in the military. They grew up with first person shooters zombie video games.

 

If it is spread by bites, it is not going to happen. If everyone turns after you die, the human race is doomed.


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