[backwoodsroamer]

[quote name='Kikora' timestamp='1332453975' post='52664']

I don't know who'd be dumb enough to go for a cigarette run.

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Well here's where we're gonna have to disagree. Take my smokes away for two days, and then put a hundred walkers between me and a pack of Marlboros.  I'll kill every single one of them with a #2 pencil if I have to for that pack.

[firestopr]

I don't know who'd be dumb enough to go for a cigarette run.

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Well here's where we're gonna have to disagree. Take my smokes away for two days, and then put a hundred walkers between me and a pack of Marlboros.  I'll kill every single one of them with a #2 pencil if I have to for that pack.
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i quit smoking 3 years ago this april 12th . so help me god if the dead rise I am going to jump not fall off the wagon.

Why the hell not

[lastman2012]

Well here's where we're gonna have to disagree. Take my smokes away for two days, and then put a hundred walkers between me and a pack of Marlboros.  I'll kill every single one of them with a #2 pencil if I have to for that pack.





  I know what you mean but the good news is that if you make it to a store in one piece, no one is likely to bother you for grabbing a carton or 12.

Edited by lastman2012, 23 March 2012 - 12:00 AM.

[backwoodsroamer]

lastman2012, on 22 March 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

Well here's where we're gonna have to disagree. Take my smokes away for two days, and then put a hundred walkers between me and a pack of Marlboros.  I'll kill every single one of them with a #2 pencil if I have to for that pack.





  I know what you mean but the good news is that if you make it to a store in one piece, no one is likely to bother you for grabbing a carton or 12.

Free smokes! The Z-poc just got a little bit better looking.

[lastman2012]

backwoodsroamer, on 23 March 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Free smokes! The Z-poc just got a little bit better looking.

  Always look on the bright side of of life ..............................................

[SkunkWorks]

Kikora, on 22 March 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

No one is making car batteries anymore, and if they get old, underused, destroyed, or otherwise damaged... You're screwed. Besides that, the LAST thing you want while trying to escape a zombie hoard is the car to stall.

Totally.  Portable car battery charger would be way more essential than a cell or 'puter.

[Barry Cade]

If the zombie apocalypse happens I'm going to make a suit of armour out of Apple products. They're so lightweight and cool.

However, I hate the OS so I'd be pleased to see them gnawed on by zombies.

[undeadhero]

would like to point a few things  out.



The goverment made the internet for a nuclear warfare situtation.



it was built to survive nukes going off everywhere around the world and the goverment has had that same mentalty since.


there in a time of emergency will be internet still running there are random goverment run areas with towers or satlites ect that cwould beam the internet.



not to mention the phone system inwitch the internet is baised on will always be avalable even when storms nock out power the phones still work its because f a last ditch effort to always ensure connections between people.



some places might not have wifi but they still will have internet.

[etphoto]

Strap a GPS to Carl's ass.

Since all networks would go down within a week, I can see the only purpose to having batteries would be flashlights.  But now that I think about it, I never remember seeing anyone in the group scanning for working radio stations.  You'd think that would be the first order of business.

[SkunkWorks]

etphoto, on 23 March 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

But now that I think about it, I never remember seeing anyone in the group scanning for working radio stations.  You'd think that would be the first order of business.

I think Dale tried the CB way back.  Everyone must have given up since pre-recorded emergency broadcast messages where the last thing working.

[Johnny walker]

I wouldn't care too much bout technology in the ZA. although I'd more then likely have my phone seeing as people now a days dont go anywhere without it. But I'd like to keep it just for music, to try and preserve it I guess. Idk I did 2 tours in Iraq, in the shit everyday and music helped me out ALOT!!!

[DeadManWalking]

As a Ham radio operator I can't imagine going through WD survival without a communications link to the outside world. Long before the internet and cable TV Shortwave radio was the only way to keep up with news around the world in almost real-time.
When communication systems break down, cellphone, satellite, ect... that is the perfect time to whip out that portable ham radio and communicate anywhere in the country or world with just a few watts.
I know keeping everyone in the dark is part of the shows appeal but it would seem more real to me if someone showed up with a little shortwave radio for some news outside the farm or even a ham radio to communicate with a distant evac center or lab. Would make for another interesting story line. CB and VHF police band just doesn't cut it.

[InsaneConker]

DeadManWalking, on 23 March 2012 - 09:47 PM, said:

As a Ham radio operator I can't imagine going through WD survival without a communications link to the outside world. Long before the internet and cable TV Shortwave radio was the only way to keep up with news around the world in almost real-time.
When communication systems break down, cellphone, satellite, ect... that is the perfect time to whip out that portable ham radio and communicate anywhere in the country or world with just a few watts.
I know keeping everyone in the dark is part of the shows appeal but it would seem more real to me if someone showed up with a little shortwave radio for some news outside the farm or even a ham radio to communicate with a distant evac center or lab. Would make for another interesting story line. CB and VHF police band just doesn't cut it.

Just asking about it would make it even that much more realistic.  All Herschel has to say is that he doesnt have one and thats the end of it but atleast someone is thinking about it.  Now i have not read the comics but the Prison or Woodbury, the Govenor, may have something like this in place already.  It does seem to me that Rick, Shane and /or even Dale would have thought of this before hand.

[InsaneConker]

Obvisously shane and dale can't think about it now they're both dead but before they died!!! just had to be clear didnt want some douche coming in behind me saying that they are dead.......... you should watch the show....... blah blah blah!!

Edited by InsaneConker, 23 March 2012 - 11:07 PM.

[Frank_Discussion]

Blackwood Lurker, on 22 March 2012 - 07:30 AM, said:

I've wondered why everyone in the group doesn't have a two way radio of some kind that they carry at all times.  They can be found in just about every dept. store, and mine at least have both a built in rechargeable battery and also take AA's.  That way if anyone ever went missing (like Andrea) they could contact the group.  You wouldn't have to leave them on at all times.  Just leave one on at your base camp so that if someone needs to contact the group they can just turn theirs on and broadcast.  Most of them reach several miles, so they could be used in many situations.  And, as a previous poster noted, you can pick up solar recharges in most sporting goods stores.  Not to mention, batteries ought to be pretty easy to find when out scavenging.

I've wondered the same thing. You'd think Shane and Rick would've taken police radios.

[Serenity@sea]

Isn't that what Rick used in Season 1 when he was trying to communicate with Morgan?

[President Merle]

Technology in an apocalypse...

[DeadManWalking]

Frank_Discussion, on 23 March 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

I've wondered the same thing. You'd think Shane and Rick would've taken police radios.

I believe at the beginning Rick used his police talkie but never seen it after they found the farm.
Modern police radios are digital spread spectrum so would be useless for communicating with anyone that didn't have that specific radio system. Range is a problem also. Our communication systems have become too technical, relying too much on computer systems or are too private, secure. Just look what happened to fire and police comms in NYC during 911. If they had the old VHF or UHF analog system they would have been much better off.

[DeadManWalking]

Serenity@sea, on 23 March 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

Isn't that what Rick used in Season 1 when he was trying to communicate with Morgan?

Yes, that looked like an older police issue analog VHF talkie. He could talk to Morgan who was using the same. It was a little confusing when Rick was on the tank radio communicating with Glenn who was using a CB but military comms are a little more flexible and could be tuned to the 11 meter CB band so that is a little believable.

[Aelle]

backwoodsroamer, on 22 March 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Well the U. S. government says they've improved communication net works since 9/11 and Katrina. I worked mainly in the defense industry in various capacities most of my life. Mainly on government contracts. Would I bet my life on something the government told me? As T-Dog says, "Oh he## no." Anyone noticed the fantastic job the Transit Security Authority is doing in airports around the U. S.

In any kind of disaster, expect to lose everything.  Somebody mentioned nukes. They put a whole different spin on the ball, if they're ever used. When I left the industry ten years ago, they were still trying to find a practical way to harden electronics against an Electro Magnetic Pulse.

This maybe doesn't relate to the Z-poc or does.  Every major military power uses satellites for communications, navigation, intelligence gathering, and a host of other chores.  The monster in the closet that keeps military planners up at night is this. If a missile with a nuclear warhead is launched straight up and detonated just outside the atmosphere, the EMP generated by the blast will fry every satellite not hidden by the curvature of the earth.

No major power would ever do this, because it would blind you as well as your enemy. The problem is certain countries that don't rely on satellites are trying to develop nuclear weapons. What would these unstable countries do in a Z-poc?

Somebody said something about taking a lap top. I'm not trying to ridicule them, to each his own. I would probably hang on to a cell phone "just in case," because it's so small. However, I move slow enough as it is without having a lap top stuffed in my pack.  

Don't misunderstand =P If I'm in a situation where it's either get the hell out of dodge or attempt to retrieve my laptop, I'm going to opt for saving my own ass. But if I can load it up in the car and keep it with me, I'd do it.

Kikora, on 22 March 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

There is no car radio, that HAS to be broadcasted, and I don't know who'd be dumb enough to go for a cigarette run. Besides that, scavenging is always a risk, and the longer cars are left neglected and unused, the more chance that their parts wont be ready for use should you run the battery out. When you're looking at potentially spending years just fighting walkers, and decades more rebuilding society. No one is making car batteries anymore, and if they get old, underused, destroyed, or otherwise damaged... You're screwed. Besides that, the LAST thing you want while trying to escape a zombie hoard is the car to stall. Besides that, many phones and laptops break if you drop them five feet. =_= Do you really think they'd survive a walker invasion?

Yes GPS needs towers as well. =_= Any way you can think to reach the internet from any device needs a relay point. Without the towers active none of it would work. There are people worldwide working around the clock to keep the internet up and running, it is not self-maintaining.


If you get bored in the zombie apocalypse then pick up a book, find survivors to entertain yourself with, secure camp, or grab a bat and play zombie baseball. There would be no shortage of things to do, I assure you. XP

I used the car radio as a general example. The battery also applies to CD players and MP3 players which many cars have, but it would have been long winded if I included them.

I've gone many, many years without replacing my car battery. And yes, I'm aware that not driving a car will result in the battery not working (my grandfather's car was often in this position). First off, I wouldn't scavenge from another car, and even if I did (say in a pinch), you can restart unused batteries with a jump as long as you go straight to an auto parts store. Actually, if you're a risk taker, you could chance turning the car (with newly jumped battery) off and there's a good chance it'll start again.

As for the laptop? I have one thing to say: I'm a gamer. I *customized* my laptop personally (since I long stopped buying prebuilt computers and started building my own). The chassis can easily withstand a fall. My cell phone has an Otterbox on it, a case which has actually protected phones that were dropped out of *airplanes*. I don't see how this has anything to do with my decision to bring it with me, however. If it breaks, it breaks.

I'm going to extend the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are not intentionally getting snippy with me, because the internet is quite an emotionally ambiguous place. However, the combination of your chosen emoticons and your written "tone" are coming across as aggressive. I have no intention of arguing or fighting with anyone here. If you have a problem with me, let's stop exchanging words.

backwoodsroamer, on 22 March 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:

Kikora, on 22 March 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

I don't know who'd be dumb enough to go for a cigarette run.

Well here's where we're gonna have to disagree. Take my smokes away for two days, and then put a hundred walkers between me and a pack of Marlboros.  I'll kill every single one of them with a #2 pencil if I have to for that pack.

YES. High five for Marlboros (I'm in love with the smooths) and for developing superhuman skills in the quest to obtain them. You know what other superhuman skill cigarettes inspire in me? I can find a nickle in ANY nook or crevice within the general vicinity. I swear, my sheer will causes them to materialize out of thin air.

[Tynerra]

DeadManWalking, on 24 March 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:

Yes, that looked like an older police issue analog VHF talkie. He could talk to Morgan who was using the same. It was a little confusing when Rick was on the tank radio communicating with Glenn who was using a CB but military comms are a little more flexible and could be tuned to the 11 meter CB band so that is a little believable.

Yes, I think it was an expositional conversation between Rick and Shane - when Rick explained that he'd cleaned out the gun locker at the police station, he said he'd grabbed the walkie talkies and Shane said something to the effect that the radios were very old and not very useful under the best of circumstances.

As for "modern conveniences," we live in a point-and-click, point-of-sale instantaneous society. I'm sure the government has some fall-back plans in place and a few options would be out there and available for a select few. However, after a pitifully short time, the main grid would begin to fail, and without regular maintenance many of the things we take for granted would just taper away one convenience at a time. Cell phones would quickly become useless as the circuits would get jammed from the start and wouldn't begin to clear until the networks began to fail. Cable and Sat TV would go down rather quickly - most likely your local TV and radio stations would stay up as long as the power held out. But even those depend on keeping really hot transmitters cooled by air conditioning and studio-to-tower transmission systems.

Following local broadcasting, landlines would be one of the last devices for mass communication. But those require regular attention and rely on computers at switching and junction stations.

I agree with those suggesting HAM operators would pass news. HAM and/or shortwave radio operators with local generators would be a real lifeline. And whatever landline telephone wires remained useable could be used to send morse code messages.

But make no mistake, I believe in a matter of a few short days, chaos would consume an otherwise civilized society when electricity, mass communication/phones and an easy food supply become short or disappear.

[Aelle]

Kikora, on 22 March 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Yes GPS needs towers as well. =_= Any way you can think to reach the internet from any device needs a relay point. Without the towers active none of it would work. There are people worldwide working around the clock to keep the internet up and running, it is not self-maintaining.

Didn't notice you had said this when I replied to you before. First off, you need to read my first post. I never said the internet was self-maintaining. In fact, I argued the opposite (I even mentioned that with no one to maintain servers, all of the websites hosted on said servers would be down and unavailable even if you could connect to the internet).

I think you're confusing what the internet actually is. The internet is nothing more than a massive network that connects to a NAP which connects to a backbone (these are usually fiberoptic). There are no towers involved. The only internet connection I know of that involves towers is WiMax.

A GPS does not connect to the internet. Because it is essentially a passive tracking device (meaning that only a GPS can initiate being 'tracked', so as to protect your privacy), it has to receive signals from a satellite. The maps will still work on any GPS even without a satellite signal (Don't believe me? If you have a tomtom like mine, you can actually plan a route even if it has no satellite signal. It'll even ask you if you'd like to calculate using your last known position and forego the satellite entirely). What you have, essentially, is a very fancy map with no tracking function. Useful if you have no other map, but not really worth using.

The only time a GPS would ever need to connect to the internet would be to download updated maps. Most standard GPS units don't even have that function (which annoys the eternal crap out of me because I hate having to download the update on my computer).

[Kikora]

Aelle, on 24 March 2012 - 05:06 AM, said:

Didn't notice you had said this when I replied to you before. First off, you need to read my first post. I never said the internet was self-maintaining. In fact, I argued the opposite (I even mentioned that with no one to maintain servers, all of the websites hosted on said servers would be down and unavailable even if you could connect to the internet).

I think you're confusing what the internet actually is. The internet is nothing more than a massive network that connects to a NAP which connects to a backbone (these are usually fiberoptic). There are no towers involved. The only internet connection I know of that involves towers is WiMax.

A GPS does not connect to the internet. Because it is essentially a passive tracking device (meaning that only a GPS can initiate being 'tracked', so as to protect your privacy), it has to receive signals from a satellite. The maps will still work on any GPS even without a satellite signal (Don't believe me? If you have a tomtom like mine, you can actually plan a route even if it has no satellite signal. It'll even ask you if you'd like to calculate using your last known position and forego the satellite entirely). What you have, essentially, is a very fancy map with no tracking function. Useful if you have no other map, but not really worth using.

The only time a GPS would ever need to connect to the internet would be to download updated maps. Most standard GPS units don't even have that function (which annoys the eternal crap out of me because I hate having to download the update on my computer).

GPS use satelites, and I have explained several times how reliable that would be in a situation where no one is monitoring their orbit. People minotor and correct the orbit of satelites at all times, to ensure they do not deteriorate, do not crash into anything or each other, and are constantly in position to be of use to devices on the ground. IE. a GPS device. I say 'internet' because it passes along to the satelite in a somewhat similar fashion, and that's easier for me to explain with.

But to move forward, without people monitoring satellites, it wouldn't take long for them to drft out of orbit. Now I am not saying it would be drastic, but even a matter of a few feet offcourse in the sky could lead to the directions being miles off on your GPS. One satellite just a bit out of orbit would make it completely and utterly useless. If you want to risk that, then alright. I might not be the greatest expert on technology ever, but this much I know from talking with a professional about. Come a global emergency where no one is regulating courses, you'd be better off with a paper map.

[lastman2012]

What good would a GPS unit be? You are in the middle of hell and not knowing where to go. Is some device going to get you out of it?  It is interesting to read people's ideas on how they would keep devices charged up and operational in a zombie apocalypse.
   It would be the end of technology and your cellphone, GPS and laptop would be door stops and paperweights.  You might as well be on mars for all that stuff is going to do for you.

[Kikora]

Aelle, on 24 March 2012 - 01:24 AM, said:

Don't misunderstand =P If I'm in a situation where it's either get the hell out of dodge or attempt to retrieve my laptop, I'm going to opt for saving my own ass. But if I can load it up in the car and keep it with me, I'd do it.




I used the car radio as a general example. The battery also applies to CD players and MP3 players which many cars have, but it would have been long winded if I included them.

I've gone many, many years without replacing my car battery. And yes, I'm aware that not driving a car will result in the battery not working (my grandfather's car was often in this position). First off, I wouldn't scavenge from another car, and even if I did (say in a pinch), you can restart unused batteries with a jump as long as you go straight to an auto parts store. Actually, if you're a risk taker, you could chance turning the car (with newly jumped battery) off and there's a good chance it'll start again.

As for the laptop? I have one thing to say: I'm a gamer. I *customized* my laptop personally (since I long stopped buying prebuilt computers and started building my own). The chassis can easily withstand a fall. My cell phone has an Otterbox on it, a case which has actually protected phones that were dropped out of *airplanes*. I don't see how this has anything to do with my decision to bring it with me, however. If it breaks, it breaks.

I'm going to extend the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are not intentionally getting snippy with me, because the internet is quite an emotionally ambiguous place. However, the combination of your chosen emoticons and your written "tone" are coming across as aggressive. I have no intention of arguing or fighting with anyone here. If you have a problem with me, let's stop exchanging words.

I'm not getting snippy, maybe my tone is a bit dry, but not snippy. But you're right, I don't really want to argue. Your choice what to bring in a zombie apocalypse. I think they are pretty silly, though.

Just don't waste the car battery too much. It could be an entire generation before anyone is making more car batteries... Or mining for oil, for that matter.