[asc.rudeboy]

Athletech1, on 21 March 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

Why didn't they just go to Red Jacket Firearms, La. is just a short jaunt away??

that made me lol haha

fordmustangxba, on 21 March 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

I wouldn't expect the public at large to know a lot about guns but wow there is a lot of misinformation in this thread.

funny thing about americans and our guns,we love to own them very few love to learn about them,even less like to practice and keep a decent supply of ammo around the house.. i know more then one friend with several firearms and the only ammo they have around the house,is what sits in the mags and chamber of their firearm.. those same people will just regurgitate the same MISS-information ALL day long..

am i the only one that wants to see them go with smaller caliber weapon, man im dying to see some country boy break out his little 10/22 and wreck shop haha,, i grew up being tought to try and shoot squirrels in the head so you dont waste any meat or spend all day spitting out bone fragments wile you eat.

i own a MAK90 (norinco) DPMS AR,and mossberg 590A1,(several pistols).and what my wife refers to "as a shitpot full of bullets"..lol.

i would grab my marlin.22 and a couple boxes of ammo for all my zombie needs, i would save the bigger rifles for living that will shoot back...

[mx1]

asc.rudeboy, on 22 March 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

that made me lol haha



funny thing about americans and our guns,we love to own them very few love to learn about them,even less like to practice and keep a decent supply of ammo around the house.. i know more then one friend with several firearms and the only ammo they have around the house,is what sits in the mags and chamber of their firearm.. those same people will just regurgitate the same MISS-information ALL day long..

am i the only one that wants to see them go with smaller caliber weapon, man im dying to see some country boy break out his little 10/22 and wreck shop haha,, i grew up being tought to try and shoot squirrels in the head so you dont waste any meat or spend all day spitting out bone fragments wile you eat.

i own a MAK90 (norinco) DPMS AR,and mossberg 590A1,(several pistols).and what my wife refers to "as a shitpot full of bullets"..lol.

i would grab my marlin.22 and a couple boxes of ammo for all my zombie needs, i would save the bigger rifles for living that will shoot back...

ive always wondered if a 22lr would consistently penetrate bone...if it would that would be the way to go, but im not sure if it would punch through something as hard as a human skull consistently...i think some of them would inside say 50-75 yards or so, but i dont know that every one would...i remember reading the news about a lady getting shot execution style during a robbery with a 22 and the bullet lodged on the outside of her skull (back of the head) with the robber leaving her for what he thought was dead only she survived and fully recovered...of course this was with a 22 pistol, that would have a litttle less velocity than a longer rifle...also we had a shootout where i live in 2008 with the illinois state police and a guy with a 22 rifle, somehow he managed to hit an officer in the forehead (and at an angle im assuming) but the bullet broke the skin hit bone and deflected rather than penetrating, the officer recovered as well with no major problems...either way a repeating 22 rifle would deff has its place in my squad

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[asc.rudeboy]

there were a few vets that use to come into the tattoo shop i worked at and they talked about being in Vietnam and seeing people taking head shots from AKs and M16 and walking away from them,, said sometimes they would hit just right and the bullet spin would hit the head cause it to travel under the skin but not threw the skull, it would actually travel around the skull exiting the side or back, so im more then sure a .22 would and could do the same thing.but i believe it should  be no problem to kill with a head shot up to 100yrds (penetration wise,accuracy will very with shooter skill and environment)

my only problem with the .22 is the inconsistence of some of the rounds,but having 1bad out of ever 100 when you can carry a couple 1000 at a time isnt bad odds at all..

[mobrigade]

A 22lr will pierce the skull so that would work as long as the distance was not too far out, I would assume ANY firearm would have a place in my arsenal if I had somewhere to put it. I can't vouch for .22's but I have seen what 7.x39 and .223 will do to person at varying degrees and know that both are very effective at close and distance shots.  I've never had zombies rush me, but I have had living people rush my position-I've found that well placed shots from virtually any weapon will get the job done.  I would question the accuracy of someone hanging out the window of a vehicle at night driving crazely and making head shots or even body shots for that matter on almost all of their shots.  Trained soldiers on .50s mounted above Humvee's have a hard time picking their target and being successful while driving and dodging obstacles.  I realize I am probably reading too much into this but since we are talking about it, might as well be thorough.  You also don't just stab a human skull in the head with an ice pick without effort.  

If rick did not know until Shane that what the doc told him at the CDC was true, then why did he shoot the fat guy in the bar in the head after he was clearly dead?

[lastman2012]

mobrigade, on 22 March 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

If rick did not know until Shane that what the doc told him at the CDC was true, then why did he shoot the fat guy in the bar in the head after he was clearly dead?

That was clearly shown in the episode, almost like it was emphasized for future reference.

[etphoto]

mobrigade, on 21 March 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

First off, there are SOME folks on here who have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to weapons.  First off, the AK is very accurate in the hands of anyone who knows how to shoot, I found them very accurate in Iraq.  Second 95% of the AK's in this country are semi-automatic.  Third, these weapons WOULD be plentiful.  The downside is that you have to keep the AR fairly clean or it will have issues.  The AK is by far the most suitable for such fighting because you can throw it in a lake leave it there for a few days, pull it out, kick the bolt open and it will cycle.  I would MUCH prefer these over shotguns or pistols....the sound difference is not even relevant....shotguns are loud, 9mm's are loud, etc...as far as the police station, due to Homeland Security grants nearly every police station in America will have at least one or a few AR's in their lockers.  If These weapons do not just disappear because of an apocalypse, they would be around and some if not most (in the case of the AKs) would be or could be made serviceable....7.62x39 and .223 are some of the most readily available ammo to be found unlike .357 or some of the other goofy pistol ammo calibers...so not the group not having them is just an oversight or "just the way it is" kind of thing with the producers....just my two cents.

I'll admit I don't have the zombie fighting experience in Iraq as you apparently do and I'll admit accuracy is important.  Yet, accuracy is MORE important in shooting at targets hiding behind objects.  The slow moving, out in the open zombie, does not present as much a difficult target.  I'll stand by my handgun as the best weapon (asI previously pointed out) as the best weapon in the world of the Walking Dead.  

The AR-15 (if u wish, you can use the AK) would have its place in a zombie infested world. But, it'll take a back seat to the handgun.

[fordmustangxba]

etphoto, on 22 March 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

I'll admit I don't have the zombie fighting experience in Iraq as you apparently do and I'll admit accuracy is important.  Yet, accuracy is MORE important in shooting at targets hiding behind objects.  The slow moving, out in the open zombie, does not present as much a difficult target.  I'll stand by my handgun as the best weapon (asI previously pointed out) as the best weapon in the world of the Walking Dead.  

The AR-15 (if u wish, you can use the AK) would have its place in a zombie infested world. But, it'll take a back seat to the handgun.

Honestly, a handgun would probably me more useful than a rifle in about .05% of situations, almost all of those involving the rifle not even being available. It's that much more superior of a tool to have in a ZA.

[Narren]

etphoto, on 22 March 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

I'll admit I don't have the zombie fighting experience in Iraq as you apparently do and I'll admit accuracy is important.  Yet, accuracy is MORE important in shooting at targets hiding behind objects.  The slow moving, out in the open zombie, does not present as much a difficult target.  I'll stand by my handgun as the best weapon (asI previously pointed out) as the best weapon in the world of the Walking Dead.  

The AR-15 (if u wish, you can use the AK) would have its place in a zombie infested world. But, it'll take a back seat to the handgun.

Any particular reason you think a handgun is superior?  Is it the inferior accuracy, range, and velocity?  Or the smaller number of rounds? (depends on the model of the pistol or rifle, but any assault type rifle will hold more than any normal pistol).

I can't think of any benefit a handgun would have other than it's size, and that's a pretty small benefit compared to the rest.  Otherwise, soldiers would be carrying pistols into battle.

[firestopr]

On occasion you will hear stories of a person being shot by a .22 that does not penetrate there skull these people where shot once and they never tell you what type of .22lr they where hit with(yes there are literally hundreds of different kinds . some lr ammo rated as high volocity or hyper velocity can travel at speeds of 1200-1400 FPS... inside of 50 yards that round will go thru your skull.and even if by some fluke it does not one of the next four i am going to put within an inch of the first will. no recoil, large mags. and a good sight make this weapon a tack driver for zombies.

[asc.rudeboy]

Narren, on 22 March 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

Any particular reason you think a handgun is superior?  Is it the inferior accuracy, range, and velocity?  Or the smaller number of rounds? (depends on the model of the pistol or rifle, but any assault type rifle will hold more than any normal pistol).

I can't think of any benefit a handgun would have other than it's size, and that's a pretty small benefit compared to the rest.  Otherwise, soldiers would be carrying pistols into battle.

haha i  agree,unless you playing tunnel rat, but then again since the invention of light mounts on your weapon you dont need to use a pistol for that either..lol

[etphoto]

Narren, on 22 March 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

Any particular reason you think a handgun is superior?  Is it the inferior accuracy, range, and velocity?  Or the smaller number of rounds? (depends on the model of the pistol or rifle, but any assault type rifle will hold more than any normal pistol).

I can't think of any benefit a handgun would have other than it's size, and that's a pretty small benefit compared to the rest.  Otherwise, soldiers would be carrying pistols into battle.

Do a little experiment (I find hard to believe that you'll actually do it).  Get a baseball bat and carry it around, everywhere you go.  Everything you do, carry that bat around.  WIthin a two hour period, count the number of times you set the bat down in order to do something (no matter what it is) with you hands.  Carry it around all day, see how tiring and cumbersome it becomes carrying.  Now, get a play holster with a  toy gun and put that on.  Live your day and count the number of times you set the handgun down.  Zero is my guess.  

If a large number of zombies where coming toward my encampment and I was setting up a defensive stance, yes, I'd like to have a long gun.  The accuracy would be helpful since u could start shooting while the zombies might be far off.

My guess thought (just trying to picture the Walking Dead world), most battles wouldn't occur in that manner.  Most battles would occur at much closer distances where accuracy isn't as critical.  The convenience of carrying the handgun plus plenty of ammo while living your day and the fact it has plenty of power to kill a zombie makes it a much preferred weapon.

[maximus_pr]

etphoto, on 22 March 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

I'll admit I don't have the zombie fighting experience in Iraq as you apparently do and I'll admit accuracy is important.  Yet, accuracy is MORE important in shooting at targets hiding behind objects.  The slow moving, out in the open zombie, does not present as much a difficult target.  I'll stand by my handgun as the best weapon (asI previously pointed out) as the best weapon in the world of the Walking Dead.  

The AR-15 (if u wish, you can use the AK) would have its place in a zombie infested world. But, it'll take a back seat to the handgun.

Maybe if you are a real shooting pro ,your handgun holds at least 13-18 rounds and know how to speed reload  maybe I'll agree with you but the reality is a short barrel tactical rifle(M16-M4-Ak-416-Aug Steyr -G36 to name a few) outperforms a handgun any day.

Range,accuracy ,stopping power and for the not so dead the visual deterrent (eg. somebody see you with a handgun he may attack you but if you holding a tactical rifle may give that person second thoughts before attacking you).

Again it takes a while but after you get used to it is like is another arm like part of your body, anybody who has been in the service and used a rifle can attest to that.Even the people that carry the 249 Saw get use to it and that is heavy is like 18 pounds empty and is long and cumbersome specially with the protruding charging handle, my respecst for saw gunners.

If i were to choose a round i would go with .223 NATO the one most Ar15's and M16's uses plus many other rifles.The reasons .308's  and 7.62's are usually twice as expensive,weight more and take more space vs the .223 ,readily available ,sound is not so bad,military uses it so easier to scavenge ammo from dead soldiers,not as powerful as the other 2 but it gets the job done of killing Z's.

22's not bad you can carry  a gazillion bullets and for half the price but like one member mentioned inconsistency with rounds not so powerful this have been proven in real life a guy shot 14 times still managed to take gun away from owner and kill him(if someone remember i think it  was in NC not sure , i know it was on the East coast).In a Zombie situation you may have to deal with both the living and the pretty much already dead.

Edited by maximus_pr, 22 March 2012 - 07:21 PM.

[asc.rudeboy]

etphoto, on 22 March 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Do a little experiment (I find hard to believe that you'll actually do it).  Get a baseball bat and carry it around, everywhere you go.  Everything you do, carry that bat around.  WIthin a two hour period, count the number of times you set the bat down in order to do something (no matter what it is) with you hands.  Carry it around all day, see how tiring and cumbersome it becomes carrying.  Now, get a play holster with a  toy gun and put that on.  Live your day and count the number of times you set the handgun down.  Zero is my guess.  

If a large number of zombies where coming toward my encampment and I was setting up a defensive stance, yes, I'd like to have a long gun.  The accuracy would be helpful since u could start shooting while the zombies might be far off.

My guess thought (just trying to picture the Walking Dead world), most battles wouldn't occur in that manner.  Most battles would occur at much closer distances where accuracy isn't as critical.  The convenience of carrying the handgun plus plenty of ammo while living your day and the fact it has plenty of power to kill a zombie makes it a much preferred weapon.

you do realize they have slings and 3 point harnesses that allow you to litterely drop your rifle and have it lay on your side wile your doing something else and then grab it ready to fight in a about as much time if not faster then drawing your weapon from your holster..matter of fact if you wanted to you could drop your rifle, draw  your pistol and fire away and when you run out of pistol ammo put it in your holster and grab your rifle again...

[backwoodsroamer]

I already observed the .22 thing go down on another thread, so I'll just cut and paste to save the typing......

Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:42 PM

I never argue ballistics because of some weird things I saw back in the day. Back before there were EMTs and paramedics I did a stint as an ambulance driver. Strictly meat wagon stuff. You just did a scoop and run to the hospital. I also did three years as a police officer.

This gave me a ringside seat to the "Saturday Night Fights."

I once picked up the body of a man shot in a bar fight. The people on the scene said said he fell and never moved after being shot with a .22 or .25 We had to look hard to find the wound. We finally found a small entrance wound in the upper left quadrant of his abdomen. A tiny amount of external bleeding and no exit wound. But he was what we called DRT (dead right there).

Also picked up a guy shot at point blank range in the forehead with a .22. The bullet didn't penetrate the skull. It ran around the skull under the skin and exited out the rear a little to the right of center. He was confused but mobile and made a full recovery.

Got a call to my insurance agent's office one night He had put his 9mm P08 Luger in his mouth and pulled the trigger. The exit wound was in the top rear of his skull. He had a faint heartbeat and pulse but was unresponsive. I was sure he would die in the wagon. Four months later he was back at work.

I was called to a shooting one night. The man had been shot in the head with a S&W model 29 .44 magnum. The bullet entered the skull high on the right front and exited on a level trajectory in the right rear. On exit it blew a chunk of skull about an inch and a half around out of his skull. You could look in the hole and see his brain. The weird thing was he was alert and talking when I got there. He never lost consciousness. Talked to the ER doc later. He said the neurosurgeon would cover the hole with a plate and he would be fine.

One of my father's buddies from WWII used to visit. He had a large sunken area in his forehead from a Japanese 6.5 mm round. The bullet was still in his skull.

The only conclusions I could draw from all this was no small arm is a guarantied fight stopper. I also decided that I didn't want to be shot with any weapon anywhere on my body.

No one weapon can be all things, from a suppressed pistol used by a Super Spook elite squad to a B-52 with nukes hot and ready, they are all a compromise. One advantage gained in the design process usually means another advantage has to be left out. There is not, nor will there ever be, a "perfect" weapon. One must simply seek a balance between lethality, firepower, and portability that allows you to accomplish the job at hand. This may or may not involve multiple weapons carried by one person, if a reasonable compromise can't be reached. It all depends on the objective you wish to accomplish.

Edited by backwoodsroamer, 22 March 2012 - 08:27 PM.

[maximus_pr]

asc.rudeboy, on 22 March 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

you do realize they have slings and 3 point harnesses that allow you to litterely drop your rifle and have it lay on your side wile your doing something else and then grab it ready to fight in a about as much time if not faster then drawing your weapon from your holster..matter of fact if you wanted to you could drop your rifle, draw  your pistol and fire away and when you run out of pistol ammo put it in your holster and grab your rifle again...

Correct


and for our friend etphoto:

Lets set this clear i would carry and handgun if not two plus a boot knife plus a folding in my pocket  and 7 plus inches  fixed blade  right next to my heart ,hell even grenade if i can get my hands on one but in a situation like the Farm getting overrun or going on a road trip or into the woods my rifle will be with me at all times.

One more time if you carry a rifle for your own survival or the survival of the ones you love and  dear trust me you will eventually get used to it.You don't have to take a dump with it on your back but you bet it will be next to the toilet paper,sleeping next to my, on my lap while I eat,next to the towel while in the shower i think you get the point right.That is the soldier way.Hoooah.

Edited by maximus_pr, 22 March 2012 - 08:26 PM.

[InGlennWeTrust]

Im kinda glad that we havent seen an AK so far, cuz you see those Aks in most of those Action/Thriller movies.
And about the Accuracy of AK thing: I think it depends on the shooter. I personally think that it's not very accurate.

mx1, on 21 March 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

and headshots with a rifle would be far more realistic than the pistols

I dont think that headshots with a rifle would be far more realistic than the pistols. cuz again it depends on the shooter and how long youve trained on a shooting range. And its not that unrealistic if someone does headshots with a Glock.
It would be only more realistic to do headshots with a rifle by far distance or if your using sights on a rifle.

[maximus_pr]

backwoodsroamer, on 22 March 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

I already observed the .22 thing go down on another thread, so I'll just cut and paste to save the typing......

Posted 07 March 2012 - 09:42 PM

I never argue ballistics because of some weird things I saw back in the day. Back before there were EMTs and paramedics I did a stint as an ambulance driver. Strictly meat wagon stuff. You just did a scoop and run to the hospital. I also did three years as a police officer.

This gave me a ringside seat to the "Saturday Night Fights."

I once picked up the body of a man shot in a bar fight. The people on the scene said said he fell and never moved after being shot with a .22 or .25 We had to look hard to find the wound. We finally found a small entrance wound in the upper left quadrant of his abdomen. A tiny amount of external bleeding and no exit wound. But he was what we called DRT (dead right there).

Also picked up a guy shot at point blank range in the forehead with a .22. The bullet didn't penetrate the skull. It ran around the skull under the skin and exited out the rear a little to the right of center. He was confused but mobile and made a full recovery.

Got a call to my insurance agent's office one night He had put his 9mm P08 Luger in his mouth and pulled the trigger. The exit wound was in the top rear of his skull. He had a faint heartbeat and pulse but was unresponsive. I was sure he would die in the wagon. Four months later he was back at work.

I was called to a shooting one night. The man had been shot in the head with a S&W model 29 .44 magnum. The bullet entered the skull high on the right front and exited on a level trajectory in the right rear. On exit it blew a chunk of skull about an inch and a half around out of his skull. You could look in the hole and see his brain. The weird thing was he was alert and talking when I got there. He never lost consciousness. Talked to the ER doc later. He said the neurosurgeon would cover the hole with a plate and he would be fine.

One of my father's buddies from WWII used to visit. He had a large sunken area in his forehead from a Japanese 6.5 mm round. The bullet was still in his skull.

The only conclusions I could draw from all this was no small arm is a guarantied fight stopper. I also decided that I didn't want to be shot with any weapon anywhere on my body.

No one weapon can be all things, from a suppressed pistol used by a Super Spook elite squad to a B-52 with nukes hot and ready, they are all a compromise. One advantage gained in the design process usually means another advantage has to be left out. There is not, nor will there ever be, a "perfect" weapon. One must simply seek a balance between lethality, firepower, and portability that allows you to accomplish the job at hand. This may or may not involve multiple weapons carried by one person, if a reasonable compromise can't be reached. It all depends on the objective you wish to accomplish.

You are right even a well placed air gun pellet could kill you meanwhile people got lucky survived much larger deadly calibers

But if I'm just based on statistics and common sense(while there is some left in me) that's why i choose a middle ground caliber not to small not to large.

Sure there is tool for every job but sometimes you can cheat and use the wrench as a hammer or use the hammer to loose a bolt

[mx1]

InGlennWeTrust, on 22 March 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Im kinda glad that we havent seen an AK so far, cuz you see those Aks in most of those Action/Thriller movies.
And about the Accuracy of AK thing: I think it depends on the shooter. I personally think that it's not very accurate.


I dont think that headshots with a rifle would be far more realistic than the pistols. cuz again it depends on the shooter and how long youve trained on a shooting range. And its not that unrealistic if someone does headshots with a Glock.
It would be only more realistic to do headshots with a rifle by far distance or if your using sights on a rifle.

its accurate enough to be in use for over 50 years, far better accuracy than a glock

Using sights? What else would you be using? Frickin lasers?!?! Every rifle i have handled had some form of sights, be scopes, irons, eotechs etc etc. they have all had some method of sighting...i dont think sling shots have sights, is that what your calling a rifle?

[OMEN]

I had a instructor in HS who was in Vietnam and he would tell us how the Vietcong would take out helicopters with an AK, using a wooden sights at an angle. Yeah not very accurate.


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[p230]

I think what bothered me about the CDC was that they did not at least grab one or two carbines.  I mean come on they were EVERYWHERE.  Good points are being made on both side of the better to have argument.  I guess I would say that you are going to have to have at some point long guns for a layered defense of a group.  If it is just you and one or two others then buddy you better gear up and get used to it.  For around camp I would imagine on the lookouts would need rifles the others would need to know where to go to get them quickly though.   I do carry a pistol regularly so I know about the weight differnce but I also know in a real throw down I would be using it to get to one of my rifles.   As to the discussion about the group having problems with full auto and using up ammo and the like.  As far as I know from the old M-16 to the current M-4 they all have a semi-auto setting.  Just don't turn the selector all the way to the happy fun setting and use it in semi.  The M-4's would be semi and 3 round burst.

[maximus_pr]

p230, on 22 March 2012 - 09:30 PM, said:

The M-4's would be semi and 3 round burst.

M4-semi and 3 round burst
M4A1-Semi and Full Auto

and yesmost of the tactical rifles sold for cvilians are semi period no 3 round burst no full auto you need some special licenses and or permits in order to won 3 round burst or full auto capable guns

[rim]

Maybe AMC just doesn't like EBR'S?

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[Maka523]

InGlennWeTrust, on 22 March 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Im kinda glad that we havent seen an AK so far, cuz you see those Aks in most of those Action/Thriller movies.
And about the Accuracy of AK thing: I think it depends on the shooter. I personally think that it's not very accurate.

I dont think that headshots with a rifle would be far more realistic than the pistols. cuz again it depends on the shooter and how long youve trained on a shooting range. And its not that unrealistic if someone does headshots with a Glock.
It would be only more realistic to do headshots with a rifle by far distance or if your using sights on a rifle.

Personally, AKs would be overkill against zombies, what with the 7.62mm being a heavier round, and a round you're less likely to find in the States.  But a well made, well maintained AK-47 or AK-74?  Why wouldn't they be accurate?

Accuracy with any weapon depends on the shooter.  Give an AK-47 or a Glock 17 to an untrained civilian and your results will be equally lousy.  The same to a guy who knows how to shoot both?  Much different story.

Hell, the AK-47 or any rifle has one crucial advantage over a Glock 17 or any kind of pistol: you can fire it using your shoulder as support.  What else do you think the stock is there for?  Pistols are much less stable because there is no shoulder supported fire (unless you're using one of those fancy tactical stock thingies I've seen floating around, but I digress).

Why in the hell would you not be using the sights on your rifle?  Or, for that matter, any kind of gun?  That's what they're there for.  Iron sights, M68 Aimpoints, low magnification scopes, all those are there for you to see where your bullet is going.

[InGlennWeTrust]

mx1, on 22 March 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

its accurate enough to be in use for over 50 years, far better accuracy than a glock

Using sights? What else would you be using? Frickin lasers?!?! Every rifle i have handled had some form of sights, be scopes, irons, eotechs etc etc. they have all had some method of sighting...i dont think sling shots have sights, is that what your calling a rifle?

I meant to say telescope sights.

Edited by InGlennWeTrust, 22 March 2012 - 10:08 PM.

[p230]

Maka523, on 22 March 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

Personally, AKs would be overkill against zombies,

I didn't know there was such a thing as overkill on a zombie     My AK's are plenty accurate for the kind of engagement we have seen.  I do agree that more than likely you are not going to be taking shots at walkers very far away very often.  For that I have other stuff.  

As far as the .22 talk goes I say if you don't have at least one then you should get one.  I mean they are inexpensive to buy/maintain/shoot and are a lot of fun.  A 10/22 or marlin of somekind would be my choice.  I know the tubefeds are slow to load usually but the old Model 60 my brother and I had would not jam up until it was just filthy  we only cleaned it about every 1000 rounds or so and that was usually good enough to keep it from jamming too much.  I need a 10/22 by the way.