[mx1]

Im surprised that in a world full of assualt rifles or "modern sporting rifles" (inside joke) that we have yet to see any of the group find or use one. Instead they all rely on pistols and a few shotguns....I wanna see them step up the firepower and get ahold of an AR15 or two maybe even an AK47...I think this would be legitimate for them to find and get ammo for, and headshots with a rifle would be far more realistic than the pistols



any thoughts

[ZombieSlayer]

i have wondered this often especially at the cdc personally would have grabbed a few Ar's and ammo

[Kevin]

mx1, on 21 March 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Im surprised that in a world full of assualt rifles or "modern sporting rifles" (inside joke) that we have yet to see any of the group find or use one. Instead they all rely on pistols and a few shotguns....I wanna see them step up the firepower and get ahold of an AR15 or two maybe even an AK47...I think this would be legitimate for them to find and get ammo for, and headshots with a rifle would be far more realistic than the pistols



any thoughts

I was thinking the same thing also.  The AK is one of the world's most popular assault rifle and ammo would be plentiful.

[AdamBombOi]

The AK is also extremely inaccurate, and any automatic rifle would not only be wasteful with ammo, but would also make a ton of noise... aside from being added weight.

I'd rather them not go the way of video games and throw in automatic this or that.



When would have been the "right time" to go picking up guns at the CDC? When the zombies were closing in, or when the place was blowing up?

[lastman2012]

I doubt that if they picked up assault rifles at the CDC it would have been helpful unless they could find the ammo dump too. If the centre was over-run, there might not be many weapons laying around with full clips in them.

[mx1]

lastman2012, on 21 March 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

I doubt that if they picked up assault rifles at the CDC it would have been helpful unless they could find the ammo dump too. If the centre was over-run, there might not be many weapons laying around with full clips in them.

well the pistols they are using were already low on ammo, and the common AR equipped soldier carries around 7 magazines of 210 total rounds on him ...so it would have been as much or more ammo than what they already had for the pistols



An AR with 20 rounds of ammo is superior to a pistol with 25 rounds anyday IMO...not to mention the AR or AK general holds 30 rounds in a mag and is super quick to reload

Edited by mx1, 21 March 2012 - 03:19 PM.

[mx1]

AdamBombOi, on 21 March 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

The AK is also extremely inaccurate, and any automatic rifle would not only be wasteful with ammo, but would also make a ton of noise... aside from being added weight.

I'd rather them not go the way of video games and throw in automatic this or that.



When would have been the "right time" to go picking up guns at the CDC? When the zombies were closing in, or when the place was blowing up?

the ak is fully capable of pulling headshots withing 100 yards, ABSOLUTELY more capable of making a head shot than any pistol, weighs around 8 lbs which is about what dales hunting rifle would be...and 99% of the AK's in the U.S. are semi automatic rather than fully auto...I dont think it would be vidoe game-ish at all if they found a couple asslt rifles...I have one, four or five of my friends do too, so they would be available and the ammo is very common to many shops....even Walmart carries it

Edited by mx1, 21 March 2012 - 03:16 PM.

[Memphis]

One thing to keep in mind, is that most of the guns that the group uses, Rick collected at the police station. I am pretty sure they didn't have  swat team there, so the guns they did have on hand would be shotguns and handguns.

Spoiler

Hopefully, there are some of these guns in the prison

[mx1]

Memphis, on 21 March 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

One thing to keep in mind, is that most of the guns that the group uses, Rick collected at the police station. I am pretty sure they didn't have  swat team there, so the guns they did have on hand would be shotguns and handguns.

Spoiler

Hopefully, there are some of these guns in the prison

very true, and ya I hope so too... not Rambo style but a few nice rifles would just be cool

[Ciren]

Automatic's would only really be good for herd's such as the one that overran the farm in the finale. Even then, however, you won't be sure if the walkers are really down for good as most shots wouldn't land as head shots.

I have a feeling a certain opposing group coming up soon will have them though...

[xaviersaint]

Bottom line, those would have been the first things raided and therefore ammo would be harder to find for them. More importantly, they make a ton of noise and eat ammo like no other gun there is. I'm sure they'll arrive on the scene in the story soon enough because we're bound to get someone or some group that got a hold of that, hell even Randall mentioned as much.

[SkunkWorks]

My theory:

• Shane and Rick know how to use autos, not sure about rest of group
• Shotguns easier for non combatants
• Shotguns easier to cast in a TV show, and cheaper, safer, less headache
• Actors work better with non autos...don't need as much training
• Focus of show is drama thriller, not all zombie combat (I wish it were)
• More shooting + more noise = more walkers
• If it were a movie we'd see miniguns, missiles, groovy HKs..AMC don't have the budget
• Group more interested in basic survival than gunnery

[firestopr]

AdamBombOi, on 21 March 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

The AK is also extremely inaccurate, and any automatic rifle would not only be wasteful with ammo, but would also make a ton of noise... aside from being added weight.

I'd rather them not go the way of video games and throw in automatic this or that.



When would have been the "right time" to go picking up guns at the CDC? When the zombies were closing in, or when the place was blowing up?

Yeah outside of 200 yards  it becomes less accurate then it's Western counter parts but  inside it will aerate a pie plate no problems.....

Edited by firestopr, 21 March 2012 - 04:06 PM.

[mx1]

guys neither of these guns are automatic, very very few ak's are auto and hardly any AR's...even the military versions (M16 & M4) have semi-auto fire capability, no different than anything else...and the ammo for these 2 guns is the most abundant in the world except for 9mm, 22 shells and possibly 12 ga birdshot which would not be effective anyway

[etphoto]

Pistols are the most effective weapon in the world of The Walking Dead.  The main reason is you always have your hands free to do other things.  Carrying any type of long gun you would need to set the gun down to do something with your hands.  Hand guns, just holster and use your hands (for whatever).  

Oh crap, a zombie.  Just remove your hand gun and shoot.  With a long gun, its leaning against that tree 30 feet away.  

With hand guns, you can carry more ammo.  There is more small arm ammo available.

I think shotguns are a waste.  They hold 5 rounds tops and you can only carry roughly a hundred shells and that takes both hands.  Loading a shotgun takes longer enabling more and more zombies to get closer.  I think they have shotguns in the show only for effect.  In the real world of zombie fighting, no one in my group will carry one.  

Long  guns would be more effective if the group was help up somewhere (for example, the prison).  Two guys with rifles (and plenty of ammo) could kill off any amount of zombies that try to get into the prison.  I mean, how many zombies are out there?  After a few days, the two guys could kill off 20 - 30 thousand zombies, without breaking a sweat.

[SkunkWorks]

Raw firepower in this ZA is not a good solution, and usually does more harm than good. It's much better to kill silently, shot on the move, or avoid the Z's totally.

A bat works better than an AK, as crazy as it sounds.

Edited by SkunkWorks, 21 March 2012 - 04:31 PM.

[DayWalker]

They are in Georgia. A search of a couple houses would undoubtably turn up a rifle or two.

[stableboy]

IMHO, killing that many would make it easy to get in a prison.  The dead would make mounds, almost like a siege mound or tower and the dead behind them could just climb up and over the fence.  Like how ants bridge gaps.

[mobrigade]

First off, there are SOME folks on here who have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to weapons.  First off, the AK is very accurate in the hands of anyone who knows how to shoot, I found them very accurate in Iraq.  Second 95% of the AK's in this country are semi-automatic.  Third, these weapons WOULD be plentiful.  The downside is that you have to keep the AR fairly clean or it will have issues.  The AK is by far the most suitable for such fighting because you can throw it in a lake leave it there for a few days, pull it out, kick the bolt open and it will cycle.  I would MUCH prefer these over shotguns or pistols....the sound difference is not even relevant....shotguns are loud, 9mm's are loud, etc...as far as the police station, due to Homeland Security grants nearly every police station in America will have at least one or a few AR's in their lockers.  If These weapons do not just disappear because of an apocalypse, they would be around and some if not most (in the case of the AKs) would be or could be made serviceable....7.62x39 and .223 are some of the most readily available ammo to be found unlike .357 or some of the other goofy pistol ammo calibers...so not the group not having them is just an oversight or "just the way it is" kind of thing with the producers....just my two cents.

[lastman2012]

mx1, on 21 March 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

well the pistols they are using were already low on ammo, and the common AR equipped soldier carries around 7 magazines of 210 total rounds on him ...so it would have been as much or more ammo than what they already had for the pistols



An AR with 20 rounds of ammo is superior to a pistol with 25 rounds anyday IMO...not to mention the AR or AK general holds 30 rounds in a mag and is super quick to reload

Yes but if they were fighting a battle with a huge swarm of walkers how many clips might there be left given the firing rate? If they weren't so severely over-run then why wasn't there any living soldiers there, it is a secure facility after all.

[earthWake]

I wondered this too, and how much hand grenades would have come in handy for the finale.

[OMEN]

DayWalker, on 21 March 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

They are in Georgia. A search of a couple houses would undoubtably turn up a rifle or two.

Yes this is true I live here and I have a small arsenal and so does my father in law a retired police officer (mother in law retired Sherrif)

mobrigade, on 21 March 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

First off, there are SOME folks on here who have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to weapons.  First off, the AK is very accurate in the hands of anyone who knows how to shoot, I found them very accurate in Iraq.  Second 95% of the AK's in this country are semi-automatic.  Third, these weapons WOULD be plentiful.  The downside is that you have to keep the AR fairly clean or it will have issues.  The AK is by far the most suitable for such fighting because you can throw it in a lake leave it there for a few days, pull it out, kick the bolt open and it will cycle.  I would MUCH prefer these over shotguns or pistols....the sound difference is not even relevant....shotguns are loud, 9mm's are loud, etc...as far as the police station, due to Homeland Security grants nearly every police station in America will have at least one or a few AR's in their lockers.  If These weapons do not just disappear because of an apocalypse, they would be around and some if not most (in the case of the AKs) would be or could be made serviceable....7.62x39 and .223 are some of the most readily available ammo to be found unlike .357 or some of the other goofy pistol ammo calibers...so not the group not having them is just an oversight or "just the way it is" kind of thing with the producers....just my two cents.

This so true even a m60 can fire off single rounds when needed.  I have a ar15 and Chinese Sks. Along with a 30-06 browning and many more handguns.  These rifles and semi automatic weapons can b used with a strap and be let go to use your hands and the weapon will still be on you somehow


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[lastman2012]

earthWake, on 21 March 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

I wondered this too, and how much hand grenades would have come in handy for the finale.

   I thought so too, especially when the swarm is 100 feet away or so. Even if they aren't killed the resulting damage is going to slow them down considerably.



   At the beginning of the series when Rick was trapped in the tank, why didn't he check the fuel in the tank? Granted driving a tank would take a little practice the good thing is that if you run over a car or 10, there's not going to be any insurance claims.
   I don't remember seeing him check it out. I'd at least try to drive it, it's a frigging tank !!!! You could make a whole lot of walker pate' by driving out of there.

[tex]

mobrigade, on 21 March 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

First off, there are SOME folks on here who have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to weapons.  First off, the AK is very accurate in the hands of anyone who knows how to shoot, I found them very accurate in Iraq.  Second 95% of the AK's in this country are semi-automatic.  Third, these weapons WOULD be plentiful.  The downside is that you have to keep the AR fairly clean or it will have issues.  The AK is by far the most suitable for such fighting because you can throw it in a lake leave it there for a few days, pull it out, kick the bolt open and it will cycle.  I would MUCH prefer these over shotguns or pistols....the sound difference is not even relevant....shotguns are loud, 9mm's are loud, etc...as far as the police station, due to Homeland Security grants nearly every police station in America will have at least one or a few AR's in their lockers.  If These weapons do not just disappear because of an apocalypse, they would be around and some if not most (in the case of the AKs) would be or could be made serviceable....7.62x39 and .223 are some of the most readily available ammo to be found unlike .357 or some of the other goofy pistol ammo calibers...so not the group not having them is just an oversight or "just the way it is" kind of thing with the producers....just my two cents.

Wow the ignorance in this thread is astounding. Thanks for bringing it back down to earth and saving me the trouble of replying to every factual inaccuracy. And thank you for your service in Iraq.

That said, I'll just leave this here since I already tracked it down - maybe others in this thread can learn something ...

[tex]

Kevin, on 21 March 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

I was thinking the same thing also.  The AK is one of the world's most popular assault rifle and ammo would be plentiful.

It's the most popular military rifle in the REST OF THE WORLD - not so much here in the US. While there certainly are a number of them in civilian hands, there are way fewer than shotguns, handguns, hunting rifles, and even AR-style rifles.