[firestopr]

We never saw it but a combat reload would have doubled his capacity. now if he had a proper bandoleer  of OO  and fell back while reloading. I can totally buy him getting off that many shots.  the whole shooting while driving thing vcracked me up it has taken the swat officers i run with Hundreds of hours of weapons training  just to be able to advance and fire at the same time. with any degree of accuracy.  the vehicles going out then  stopping with someone using it as a platform that is cool and realistic, then they could pied piper the Walkers right on off the farm.

[DrHouse2]

Wow my bad.

Edited by DrHouse2, 20 March 2012 - 05:56 PM.

[Lerneahydra]

"but it's a zombie show, suspend your disbelief" drivel - zombie fiction is ONLY worthwhile and engrossing when the zombies themselves are the ONLY far-fetched thing in the show. "
  I agree with you so much..For me it was a good episode but the battle scene was awful in everyway..

[Lerneahydra]

DrHouse2, on 20 March 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

Are consecutive headshots from a moving vehicle unrealistic? Dozens of shot from a shotgun? Of course they are, but I'm willing to suspend that part of my belief as long as the main idea of the scene is kept realistic to an extent. Watching them miss the head and hit the body or even miss completely, is pretty boring. Seeing a Zombie get a forehead piercing is one of my favorite parts of the show, if they had actually managed to take down that herd I might have had an issue. We saw them fight for survival and fail, that was the point of the scene. It's no worse than when movies have scene where several haired henchmen are outgunned by a single person, it's just better that way. I guess it is harder to stomach when you actually know about guns and shooting, I can't even watch movie fight scenes anymore because of my MMA enthusiasm.

what is the extent of realism that you are refering to?There was not a singlerealistic  moment  in the scene...You say that they lost ..well yes they did, only because they had to leave the farm, for the show to continue...You also comparing the scene with other movies..well, if a movie is bad that does not mean that they have to do the same thing...

[Lerneahydra]

head_creeps, on 19 March 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

I can't argue with the realism pundits (including, of course, the OP: tex).  I am not a gun expert, at all.  I have shot guns, however, quite a few times, including several recent gun-range trips with a gun-owning friend.  We shoot pistols (revolvers and clip-loaded), shotguns (skeet) and rifles.  Now, I suck at shooting, and can miss a stationary target widely from short range (20 yards even), but that's me -- though for some strange reason I'm decent at skeet.  I'm guessing that if I had shot as many rounds as many of the characters had, over a short period of time, I'd be a lot better.  They were doing a lot of target practice in the early farm days, plus many of them have learned to shoot under extreme life-or-death pressure.  However, all that being said, I would tend to agree: shooting something that is stationary can be a challenge, shooting something that is moving is a lot harder, and shooting something that is moving while you are moving must be almost impossible.

But, I accept it.  It's a show.  I see it as a surrealistic show.  It has a strong veneer, and elements of a core, that are based on realism.  But (and this isn't a "dude, it's a show about zombies" comment) it also has an aura of surrealism/dark fantasy to it.  And on that note, you either go with it, or you don't.

Granted the Matrix is about a billion times more over the top, but like in that scene with the helicopter and the side-mounted machine gun, firing 100's of round per minute:  I don't care how fast the agents are, there's just no way that MG doesn't shred them.   But we accept (or don't accept) what happened, because in the vibe of that movie it worked.

I saw Farmaggedon that way.  They showed me just enough misses to accept the otherwise other-wordly accuracy of our driving shooters.  I just went with it, got caught up in it, and didn't spend time then or now second-guessing it.

All that said, I'm sure you're right and it is very unrealistic.

How in the world can you compare Matrix with this?...Is like saying, how Superman can fly or how Hulk turns green...The point of Matrix was that everything was a software program in which the laws of our world do not apply...Their is no comparison in any way...

Edited by Lerneahydra, 22 March 2012 - 12:07 PM.

[DrHouse2]

Lerneahydra, on 22 March 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

what is the extent of realism that you are refering to?There was not a singlerealistic  moment  in the scene...You say that they lost ..well yes they did, only because they had to leave the farm, for the show to continue...You also comparing the scene with other movies..well, if a movie is bad that does not mean that they have to do the same thing...

As far as I'm concerned, unless they started shooting like Angelina Jolie in Wanted and ended up taking down the herd, it's not that bad. Like I said, movies and TV shows have to keep it exciting. "Oh damn we keep missing, let's just go" is not entertaining, fighting to the very last moment possible is. 10% of people probably didn't even notice that the shooting was unrealistic, 85% of people noticed it and thought "that's kinda unrealistic" but didn't ultimately care (I'm in this group of people), the final 5% of people are the ones that are actually bothered by this. In that group, there is probably less than 1% of people that will actually watch that scene and think "That is completely unrealistic, I'm so disgusted by it that I'm going to stop watching the show". You'd really rather watch a realistic scene where they're constantly missing the target?

[Lerneahydra]

DrHouse2, on 22 March 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

As far as I'm concerned, unless they started shooting like Angelina Jolie in Wanted and ended up taking down the herd, it's not that bad. Like I said, movies and TV shows have to keep it exciting. "Oh damn we keep missing, let's just go" is not entertaining, fighting to the very last moment possible is. 10% of people probably didn't even notice that the shooting was unrealistic, 85% of people noticed it and thought "that's kinda unrealistic" but didn't ultimately care (I'm in this group of people), the final 5% of people are the ones that are actually bothered by this. In that group, there is probably less than 1% of people that will actually watch that scene and think "That is completely unrealistic, I'm so disgusted by it that I'm going to stop watching the show". You'd really rather watch a realistic scene where they're constantly missing the target?

didn`t mind so much about it as well ,but here we are talking about it and the truth is that it was over the top...Don`t you believe that they could find a better way? They could have a strategy,they could have escaped guns blazing in there cars,they could have barricaded themselves in the house and fight from there,or as you might remmber in the first season,Rick was ,in the early episodes, barricaded in a house with a father and his child ,waiting for the pack of zombies to pass by...I am sure that you can find a few things they could do and make the scene more believable...
   And please don`t compare unpaired things with each other..Wanted was nothing to do with this..As i said to another friend in this topic, who compared Matrix with this show,is like saying that superman flying is unrealistic...Here the whole point is to watch and see what ordinary people would do in order to survive...And how  , the dynamic of the team,is going to configure in such situation..

[DrHouse2]

Lerneahydra, on 22 March 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

didn`t mind so much about it as well ,but here we are talking about it and the truth is that it was over the top...Don`t you believe that they could find a better way? They could have a strategy,they could have escaped guns blazing in there cars,they could have barricaded themselves in the house and fight from there,or as you might remmber in the first season,Rick was ,in the early episodes, barricaded in a house with a father and his child ,waiting for the pack of zombies to pass by...I am sure that you can find a few things they could do and make the scene more believable...
   And please don`t compare unpaired things with each other..Wanted was nothing to do with this..As i said to another friend in this topic, who compared Matrix with this show,is like saying that superman flying is unrealistic...Here the whole point is to watch and see what ordinary people would do in order to survive...And how  , the dynamic of the team,is going to configure in such situation..

In the real world, they probably would have just hightailed it as soon as possible. Their plan was to take down some of the walkers and corral the rest off the farm, they didn't realize that there were so many walkers that they couldn't make a dent in the herd or corral them off the farm. They did discuss whether they should just just go back inside the house and hide, Daryl said that a herd that size would tear down the house.

I didn't compare Wanted to The Walking Dead, I just said that if they a started bending their bullet trajectories like in the movie Wanter I would have had a problem. You missed the point of me saying that. I'm not saying that the shooting wasn't unrealistic, I'm saying that it was for more entertaining than watching people miss.

[Lerneahydra]

DrHouse2, on 22 March 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

In the real world, they probably would have just hightailed it as soon as possible. Their plan was to take down some of the walkers and corral the rest off the farm, they didn't realize that there were so many walkers that they couldn't make a dent in the herd or corral them off the farm. They did discuss whether they should just just go back inside the house and hide, Daryl said that a herd that size would tear down the house.

I didn't compare Wanted to The Walking Dead, I just said that if they a started bending their bullet trajectories like in the movie Wanter I would have had a problem. You missed the point of me saying that. I'm not saying that the shooting wasn't unrealistic, I'm saying that it was for more entertaining than watching people miss.

you say that they didn`t realize there were so many walkers,and then you say that daryl said there were so many that they could tear the house down...which is true? They were trying to help the others that is why they fought..They didn`t know where Carl Rick and Shanne were..
I got that you find it entertaining but this is irrelevant with the realistic or not subject of the topic..
   Also you are refering to the shooting using as an unrealistic example Wanted,but if something so unbelievable happend it would be a parody,not unrealistic...we will all been laughing with something like that...This show is not about ,well in most part,entertaining with shooting ..it is not like Resident Evil,it is about ordinary people and their struggle to survive,and the how people would grown to be in such occassions..

[asc.rudeboy]

i enjoyed the episode but the recoil-less unlimited ammo shotgun gave me a chuckle,and made me think they missed a good opportunity to add some REAL TENSION to a all ready hectic scene..

i even looked past the drive by head shots because it looked cool, but come on how can you say seeing them miss a few shots or landing chest shots neck shots and seeing the walkers keep coming like nothing happened would make the scene boring,,,it what makes walkers so terrifying..landing head shot after head shot makes it seem to easy and actually decreases the felt danger and pressure for the watcher.. the head shots are cool to see and it is exciting to see them drop a walker with a badass well placed shot, i agree 100% but it also good to see the pressure to make that shot when you miss,because then you know thats your only chance..your only chance of survival is to make a difficult shot AGAIN AGAIN and AGAIN....

im not saying they need to become horrible shots and only make one or 2 head shots, im just asking they give a little mix so the head shots stay exciting, shane putting rounds threw the chest to show hershel the walkers wernt sick was a terrifying scene because it showed,theres no stopping them no reasoning with them..

thats all im trying to say..

[DrHouse2]

Lerneahydra, on 22 March 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

you say that they didn`t realize there were so many walkers,and then you say that daryl said there were so many that they could tear the house down...which is true? They were trying to help the others that is why they fought..They didn`t know where Carl Rick and Shanne were..
I got that you find it entertaining but this is irrelevant with the realistic or not subject of the topic..
   Also you are refering to the shooting using as an unrealistic example Wanted,but if something so unbelievable happend it would be a parody,not unrealistic...we will all been laughing with something like that...This show is not about ,well in most part,entertaining with shooting ..it is not like Resident Evil,it is about ordinary people and their struggle to survive,and the how people would grown to be in such occassions..

It's pretty simple really, they though there were few enough Zombies that they could take down a large chunk and then corral the rest away from the house. It turned out that they just kept coming and there were so many that they couldn't even make a dent in the numbers and corral them away. They didn't know where Rick, Carl and Shane were when they actually left either, they just left hoping that Rick, Carl and Shane would get out of there.

My very first post in this thread was saying that it was unrealistic, but the alternative is rather boring. Actually shooting like in Wanted is impossible, so that would have been highly unrealistic. Getting consecutive headshots on moving objects highly unlikely, but not impossible. I don't see the big deal if they didn't miss, the main point of the scene was that they were going to fight as long as they could but then leave the farm which is what happened. The show is about entertainment whether it is with shooting or character interactions, got to keep the audience on the edge of their seats.

[Lerneahydra]

DrHouse2, on 22 March 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

It's pretty simple really, they though there were few enough Zombies that they could take down a large chunk and then corral the rest away from the house. It turned out that they just kept coming and there were so many that they couldn't even make a dent in the numbers and corral them away. They didn't know where Rick, Carl and Shane were when they actually left either, they just left hoping that Rick, Carl and Shane would get out of there.

My very first post in this thread was saying that it was unrealistic, but the alternative is rather boring. Actually shooting like in Wanted is impossible, so that would have been highly unrealistic. Getting consecutive headshots on moving objects highly unlikely, but not impossible. I don't see the big deal if they didn't miss, the main point of the scene was that they were going to fight as long as they could but then leave the farm which is what happened. The show is about entertainment whether it is with shooting or character interactions, got to keep the audience on the edge of their seats.

when did they thought the zombies were a few?when did that happend?they got out ,saw the zombies,daryl then said they are a lot and that they could tear the house down,so they could not hide in the house.and that is as any a good day to fight and die,after Hershel suggested that they should fight...and then they  started to fight to give the people that have started the fire a chance in escaping...Maybe you should see it one more time..

[asc.rudeboy]

i enjoyed the episode but the recoil-less unlimited ammo shotgun gave me a chuckle,and made me think they missed a good opportunity to add some REAL TENSION to a all ready hectic scene..

i even looked past the drive by head shots because it looked cool, but come on how can you say seeing them miss a few shots or landing chest shots neck shots and seeing the walkers keep coming like nothing happened would make the scene boring,,,it what makes walkers so terrifying..landing head shot after head shot makes it seem to easy and actually decreases the felt danger and pressure for the watcher.. the head shots are cool to see and it is exciting to see them drop a walker with a badass well placed shot, i agree 100% but it also good to see the pressure to make that shot when you miss,because then you know thats your only chance..your only chance of survival is to make a difficult shot AGAIN AGAIN and AGAIN....

im not saying they need to become horrible shots and only make one or 2 head shots, im just asking they give a little mix so the head shots stay exciting, shane putting rounds threw the chest to show hershel the walkers wernt sick was a terrifying scene because it showed,theres no stopping them no reasoning with them..

thats all im trying to say.



weird double post.

Edited by asc.rudeboy, 22 March 2012 - 01:59 PM.

[General Ian Zane]

while watching i remember thinking to myself, "herschel is such a badass, but reloading can be cool. and bowties. bowties and reloading are cool."

[p230]

Ironmangray, on 19 March 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

No kidding?!  You learn something new every day.  My dad gave me that gun and I've never really done much with it except the occasion skeet shooting trip.  I'll have to look into that.  Thanks!

Yup for almost any bird hunting I have done of game birds it has to be plugged.  I can remember hunting quail with my Dad and a covey would get up and *pop* *pop* *pop*  two to three dead quail every time.  No doubt he could hit four to five with more shells.  Helps keep the bird population up.  Thats why I have two shotguns now so I don't have to take the plug out.

[Ironmangray]

p230, on 22 March 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Yup for almost any bird hunting I have done of game birds it has to be plugged.  I can remember hunting quail with my Dad and a covey would get up and *pop* *pop* *pop*  two to three dead quail every time.  No doubt he could hit four to five with more shells.  Helps keep the bird population up.  Thats why I have two shotguns now so I don't have to take the plug out.

Sorry if this is off-topic.

I've never done any competition skeet shooting, but I'm looking to get into it.  Do you know offhand if there are any capacity regulations or does it vary by competition?  If I'm going to practice, I might as well practice with the setup I'd be using.

[p230]

Ironmangray, on 22 March 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

Sorry if this is off-topic.

I've never done any competition skeet shooting, but I'm looking to get into it.  Do you know offhand if there are any capacity regulations or does it vary by competition?  If I'm going to practice, I might as well practice with the setup I'd be using.

Two rounds AFIK, go to www.nssa-nsca.org  and that should get you the info.  Most people use a O/U for this.  

[p230]

I am in the camp thinking fewer walkers and more realistic gun action would be nice.  A good example in my opinion was the scene with Shane and Andrea in the subdivision where her pistol jams and he makes her clear it while the two walkers advance.  Eventhough you knew Shane could end the threat it made for a better scene.    Now in the shows defence those of us who already know how to reload and work with guns could move right on with it we don't know the actors/actress real world experience with firearms.  They are on a deadline for these episodes and it might be more trouble than it is worth to have to take the time to teach them and then film it the way they want.  I know that is a bit of a reach but if all you have ever done with a shotgun is point pull the trigger and cycle the pump and then a director says  " we want  you to extract shells from a bandolier and reload quickly not drop shells etc. then it might be a problem.

[p230]

Ironmangray, on 22 March 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

Sorry if this is off-topic.

I've never done any competition skeet shooting, but I'm looking to get into it.  Do you know offhand if there are any capacity regulations or does it vary by competition?  If I'm going to practice, I might as well practice with the setup I'd be using.

Sorry, for some reason I could not edit my post.  I could not get the website I gave you to open (dang webfilter at work) but it should work.  Here is a link to a PDF from the NSSA   http://www.wegc.org/...e_book_2004.pdf  it just says any shotgun capable of firing two shots.  But if I read it right you are limited to two shots at each station.  Happy Shooting.

[DayWalker]

Hershel's shotgun did not have the extended tube shell holder. His shotgun will hold about 5 or 6 shells, plus 1 in the chamber. He did a great Rambo immitation tho!

Also, as others have said, where is the recoil? If you've never shot a 12 gauge pump shotgun, it is very noticable.

[Hillbilly_Dixon]

Oh, my god. Just no. Stop picking out little problems that no one cares about and then make a whole thread about it. No one cares. It's like your Nebraska thread where you tried to say that Rick shot them both in the head not because of the infection, even though it was and you were proven wrong.

[Lerneahydra]

Hillbilly_Dixon, on 22 March 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

Oh, my god. Just no. Stop picking out little problems that no one cares about and then make a whole thread about it. No one cares. It's like your Nebraska thread where you tried to say that Rick shot them both in the head not because of the infection, even though it was and you were proven wrong.

don`t follow  teh thread if you don`t care about the subject...

[asc.rudeboy]

Hillbilly_Dixon, on 22 March 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

Oh, my god. Just no. Stop picking out little problems that no one cares about and then make a whole thread about it. No one cares. It's like your Nebraska thread where you tried to say that Rick shot them both in the head not because of the infection, even though it was and you were proven wrong.

this thread has nothing to do with his nebraska thread,

look im a fence walker, i would like to see some more realism just a little when it comes to these scenes,but im used to it hollywood has been mucking it up for years,to the point that people think everyday joes should shoot to wound instead of kill,or they think a citizen should have shot the gun out of the guys hand...i will talk all day in these threads if someone else starts them,but i just dont care enough to start the bitch anymore...



this entire website all they do is discuss the ways they fell  good or bad about the show

people compare,bitch and debate everything from time lines,charecter development,story arch, plot holes and every other subject under the sun,so why are you pissy when someone wants to talk about another inaccuracy....

if you saw a walker get his head bashed in and still go on the attack, or if they showed a walker showing emotion and understanding wouldnt people loose their shit bitching about it?? so what cant ppl bitch about a super gun and the over simplification of head shots from a moving vehicle...so by your definition EVERYTHING can be boiled down to a little problem,and no one needs to come to this message board any more..

[Scummy]

It's people like you that make me just shake my head. I've said this to many people before, but I'm only saying it once on here: Who gives a damn? This isn't the Navy SEALs vs. Zombies hour, this is THE WALKING DEAD. People like you piss me off, as you all love to nitpick every little thing about an excellent series. No one else I know is this annoying or aggravating. "HAY WAIT A MINUTE HE DIDNT RELOADZ. I MUST GO AND WHINE ABOUT IT ON A FORUM."


Seriously? Just enjoy the show.

[InGlennWeTrust]

I was actually thinking the same about Hershel and his shotgun scene.
but at least he was reloading his shotgun,otherwise it would've been even more unrealistic.

The thing is that in pretty much all movies or tv series they make shooting a shotgun looking way too easy, cuz you have to consider high recoil and the lack of accuracy.

And the whole vehicle shooting scene was reminding on a Grand Theft Auto Video game. just unrealistic.