[Basement]

So AMC was cheap with their budget and unwilling to work under Frank Darabont's direction/advice, and they forced him off the show. This is turn led to Jon Bernthal's departure. Although Bernthal later claimed it was in the works anyway, that is bull and you know it, these shows are rewritten constantly and he would have stayed with his friend Darabont had AMC not forced the latter to leave. So by taking a hard line on money, AMC has killed the one character that held the whole show together, that gave the others a reason for being. Who is goody-two-shoes Rick without Bernthal? Who will fill that depth of character lost, the Asian delivery boy, the farmer's daughter, t-dog? The show is utterly devoid of depth and darkness without Bernthal. It is flat and masturbatory, like so many other cheap zombie movies that you can barely sit through and usually don't. Before AMC killed Bernthal to save a buck, they had the best zombie cinema ever created. They now have something I cannot even watch. I fast forwarded much of the finale. Caught the end, when Rick was trying to act dark, trying to become both a Rick and a Bernthal. Nice try Rick, but that act was pathetic. At this stage I would accept a time machine to bring back Bernthal. But it won't happen. Please just let it be cancelled sooner rather than later now, to avoid the fate of so many other amazing shows that tried to save a penny and became piles of shit, e.g., Melrose Place for those of you who are old enough to remember what happened to that amazing turned POS show. Way to go AMC, hope those few pennies and that power trip of your producer were worth the millions of pounds you will now lose. Walking Dead, I'm sorry brother, Rest in Peace.

[TheWalkingDad]

So you are no longer a fan?  Ok, bye.

[MidwestCountyChoppas]

Excellent post. Watching Rick try to be dark and no nonsense was unccomfortable at best. Also +1 for using the word masturbatory.

[RegushRacing]

you think Melrose place was a good show? I'd class that with Full House and Family Matters, decent messages but terribly cheesy shows. TWD will be alive and well for a while.

[Slick0413]

I have to agree that Joe was the most interesting character on the show and he displayed power and leadership naturally until the poor and forceful writing turned him into a raving psycho so he could be killed. The only character I feel is comfortable in his role and does it well is Daryl now. This season was not as good as the first one.

[tex]

TheWalkingDad, on 19 March 2012 - 03:27 AM, said:

So you are no longer a fan?  Ok, bye.

I don't agree with the OP's point of view on the show, but he has every right to express it and it's a topic worthy of discussion.

Don't be so dismissive.

I hated to see the Shane character go, but I have high hopes the spoiled new characters

Spoiler

Michonne and The Governor

will make up for the loss of Shane.

[Slick0413]

I meant Jon ^

[Ciren]

Shane's been dead for one episode and you're writing the show off?

???

[backwoodsroamer]

RegushRacing, on 19 March 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

you think Melrose place was a good show? I'd class that with Full House and Family Matters, decent messages but terribly cheesy shows. TWD will be alive and well for a while.

I was kind of smiling in a condescending way when I read the original post, when I saw Melrose Place I started to laugh out loud. Oh well, to each his own. No insult intended, I actually didn't care for the introduction myself. Welcome to the forum. I may not agree, but all input is welcome.

Edited by backwoodsroamer, 19 March 2012 - 03:54 AM.

[Major Tom]

Basement, on 19 March 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

So AMC was cheap with their budget and unwilling to work under Frank Darabont's direction/advice, and they forced him off the show. This is turn led to Jon Bernthal's departure. Although Bernthal later claimed it was in the works anyway, that is bull and you know it, these shows are rewritten constantly and he would have stayed with his friend Darabont had AMC not forced the latter to leave. So by taking a hard line on money, AMC has killed the one character that held the whole show together, that gave the others a reason for being. Who is goody-two-shoes Rick without Bernthal? Who will fill that depth of character lost, the Asian delivery boy, the farmer's daughter, t-dog? The show is utterly devoid of depth and darkness without Bernthal. It is flat and masturbatory, like so many other cheap zombie movies that you can barely sit through and usually don't. Before AMC killed Bernthal to save a buck, they had the best zombie cinema ever created. They now have something I cannot even watch. I fast forwarded much of the finale. Caught the end, when Rick was trying to act dark, trying to become both a Rick and a Bernthal. Nice try Rick, but that act was pathetic. At this stage I would accept a time machine to bring back Bernthal. But it won't happen. Please just let it be cancelled sooner rather than later now, to avoid the fate of so many other amazing shows that tried to save a penny and became piles of shit, e.g., Melrose Place for those of you who are old enough to remember what happened to that amazing turned POS show. Way to go AMC, hope those few pennies and that power trip of your producer were worth the millions of pounds you will now lose. Walking Dead, I'm sorry brother, Rest in Peace.

Well dang, Ms Darabont, you registered just to tell us that? Buh Bye now.

[Kat]

I'm not quite willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater here.  

I am no fan of the way they killed off Shane.  His d-evolution to sudden psychopath was jumpy, inconsistent, and out of step with good character development.  Similarly, Rick's sudden shift to (somewhat, kind-of, sort-of, when the mood hits him and the moon is in the 7th house) big, bad, bionic, badass Rick has not really rung true either (I did like when he basically told everyone to get bent at the campfire in the finale).  

That being said, who knows what this season would have looked like had Darabont stayed at the helm?  We just don't know.  Perhaps the push for excitement would have lead him to kill off Shane anyway (although, again, I don't think he would have let it go so poorly written).  

The last few episodes have held my attention and make me want to see what they come up with in the fall minus the behind the scenes drama that I really think hurt this season.

[Ciren]

You're entitled to your opinion and I respect it, nor will I bash it, but you choose to flame the show right after an epic finale like that? Just mind boggling man; lighten up and enjoy the epicness that is TWD, like everyone else.

[TheWalkingDad]

tex, on 19 March 2012 - 03:42 AM, said:

I don't agree with the OP's point of view on the show, but he has every right to express it and it's a topic worthy of discussion.

Don't be so dismissive.

I hated to see the Shane character go, but I have high hopes the spoiled new characters

Spoiler

Michonne and The Governor

will make up for the loss of Shane.

You don't post in a forum unless you want people to respond to your comments.  He/she made it very clear and in a well thought out why they are no longer a fan and thus was basicly inviting others to engage them in an argument.  I did as they wanted by responding but what else is there really to say to them except to engage in that arguement?  They have dismissed themselves as a fan of the show. To me the only logical response is to respond in turn by being dismissive as I don't really care to argue with someone who isnt open to real discussion.

[Sahmbie]

Geez.  Who wants to watch a show that hinges solely on one character?  Not me.  I am super excited about the fact that two new major characters have been cast and the story is moving forward to explore what this new life is like.  I do not agree at all that the entire show was wrapped up in only one complex character (Shane) and I am glad it's not.  I will miss Shane, but like I said, the creators have promised a new pace & a new exploration into this zombie apocalyptic world and shane just won't be a part of it.

[Zombie-Chowdown]

Lets be fair to AMC Frankie had a falling out with them about he wanted to make every episode and pay every actor Hollywood budgets and Wages and we all know what happens to shows that become too expensive to make................SG1,Stargate Atlantis,and somany others taht get canned by the networks just when your getting really into them.

They have the perfect show where actors want to be in it as its great PR for future projects and the producers can just write out any actor that trys to hike up their fees like on lost. Shanes character was always going to die its apart of The Walking Dead mytholgy ...will be interesting to see what happens when they bring in Abraham and Jesus.

[Slick0413]

Hey maybe well see Shane again in a few years in the last season of this show..,if Rick wakes up from his coma only to find out everything was a dream, except Shane is actually sleeping with Lori of course.

[Silmarillion]

hey goodbye pal, it's nice to see the show remain awesome and not be completely faithful to the comic. Bernthal was a good actor, but realistically we all know his character had to die, if he never died the show would suck. The only 2 characters I foresee lasting a LONG time is Rick and Carl and that is good enough for me. This show is amazing in a thousand aspects, and if one character goin bye bye makes you write off the show then you don't deserve it's glory.

[Major Tom]

I don't have a problem with the OP, ( paragraphs would've been helpful), but I must confess that I am amazed when someone goes to the trouble of registering to pan the show in that way.

The part about Berenthal leaving because of Darabont's departure is pure wild speculation. Mazarra has said that Darabont would have killed Shane off in season one if it had been more than 6 episodes and the rumors of someone leaving due to Darabont's firing centered around Jeff Demunn (Dale).

Maybe what Mazzarra said is not true but why would he have put those words directly into Darabont's mouth and risk being called out for it.. Shane was a great character and Berenthal is a good actor but I think Mazarra only ramrodded the last 4 episodes and Shane's character would have had to be completely rewritten to make him a Tonto to Rick's Lone Ranger.or whatever they had in mind for him.

I am sure none of us wanted to endure 4-5 seasons of Shane being a rock in Rick's boot and I doubt anyone thinks Shane should have killed off Rick.

So, we know the OP is a Shane fan but he has no facts, only speculation, Right up there with the Rick is immune and the baby is the cure speculation.

Bottom line, for the OP the show sucks without Shane. It doesn't really matter how it got there. It just did.

[DeadCave]

There be trolls? Who knows?

Trolls used to be called flamers for starting flame wars and sit back and watch the fun.
Shane is gone. Dale is gone. Sophia is gone. Jackie is gone, Jim and so on. It's been repeated again and again by Kirkman... no one is SAFE. Eventually this or that character will die. The show is supposedly the same way. That's why it's going to be controversial and ground-breaking because it's breaking the "don't kill popular character's rule."
Politically within the system, killing popular characters is a way to resolve disputes within the studio. Look at the fall out of 3 and 1/2 Men?
WHATEVER the reason the show will go on, until ratings drop and it's not worth advertising time to save.
Remember folks, they're in it for the money. That's all.
Actors are in it for the money as well, but at least they get to show off their talent and do what they love best... act.


Like Rick said... don't like it... there's the door.

[cyst]

This really just sounds like an overdramatic whine about your favorite character being killed off. Like someone else said, I'd rather not watch a show that's hinged on one single character. How one dimensional and boring. You can't blame a show for budget cuts and sacrifices. It happens all the time. That's how it goes in the business. You either accept it or move on.

We know nothing about season 3 other than a few hints. It's asanine of you to assume the currect characters are all we're stuck with now. We know NOTHING of who the new characters will be, and it was bound to happen that they'd fill in the roles of killed off characters. The Greene family basically replaced any written-off Atlanta camp survivors. Get the pattern?

[tex]

TheWalkingDad, on 19 March 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

You don't post in a forum unless you want people to respond to your comments.  He/she made it very clear and in a well thought out why they are no longer a fan and thus was basicly inviting others to engage them in an argument.  I did as they wanted by responding but what else is there really to say to them except to engage in that arguement?  They have dismissed themselves as a fan of the show. To me the only logical response is to respond in turn by being dismissive as I don't really care to argue with someone who isnt open to real discussion.

So RESPOND to his comments, then. Don't dismiss his comments with a "don't let the door hit you" childish bit of drivel. The OP took the time to explain why he was upset with the way the show was going, so engage him in that debate if you want to. But the dismissive routine is better left out, IMHO, because it serves ONLY to make YOU look childish and fanboyish and doesn't tell the OP anything he likely didn't already know and expect.


Rise above, don't sink below.

[backwoodsroamer]

tex, on 19 March 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

So RESPOND to his comments, then. Don't dismiss his comments with a "don't let the door hit you" childish bit of drivel. The OP took the time to explain why he was upset with the way the show was going, so engage him in that debate if you want to. But the dismissive routine is better left out, IMHO, because it serves ONLY to make YOU look childish and fanboyish and doesn't tell the OP anything he likely didn't already know and expect.


Rise above, don't sink below.

Dang Tex, do you have to be so mature and civil about everything.  People are going to start thinking you're weird or something.

[Borracho]

Im pretty sure Darabont intended for Shane to be in the prison and for him to be written as an anti-hero.

Here is an interview with Jon Bernthal before Frank Darabont was canned. He gives it away right there. Shane was headed to the prison with the rest of the group. In another video he also mentioned that he and Frank were working on Shane in a way that was supposed to 'change people's minds' every episode.

[Rawcore]

How could you fast forward through that?

[Alien Angie]

Ahhhhhh...I love posts like these
Shane should have died at the same place as Amy. Yes he was my favourite character, but we should be rejoycing the fact we had an axtra 15 episodes of Jon Bernthalls awesomeness, not berrating the fact that they followed the comic and (eventually) killed him

Also, if you dont like Ricks badassery now...just wait until he

Spoiler

mows down a man in the RV and watches him die

or

Spoiler

surrounds, disarms and dismembers a group of cannibalistic survivors one at a time, forcing the others to watch

or maybe

Spoiler

cutting off his lovers hand as she holds onto him, just as she is caught and bitten by zombies

Rick is dark and dangerous in the comics...and a serious badass.

Angie
xxxxx