[Deadpelican]

zombiemma, on 19 March 2012 - 03:00 AM, said:

I am pleased to find out Danai Gurira will be playing Michonne. She has the right amount of beauty and badassness look to her. I am very much looking forward to how she portrays the character because at the moment I am very skeptical of her entrance in the finale.

I think the producers have backed themselves into a corner with this one. I think there will be division between fans of the comic and fans of the show alone.    Kirkman says in this article:

She saves Andrea and she's carrying a sword. This is a very strange visual for fans of the show," Kirkman told THR. "Fans of the comic book know all about her and I'm sure are very excited to see her. ... I like to think about how the audience that just watches the show takes that. I think that is such a bizarre and jarring image. It really speaks volumes as to what you're going to be seeing in season three."

We'll see.

[Akhet]

Rainbowpony, on 19 March 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

How does this not rate as a spoiler????????  Can you not post this kind of stuff in the comic section?

Thats why they have a spoiler button. If you dont want to be spoiled just don't push the button.

[cyst]

Lori can sit on a tack. You're the one who needs to be yelled at for constantly leaving your child unattended in a zombie-infested world. And she has the nerve to snap at Rick. Uh, hello? You're the one who dropped the hint to Rick that he should get rid of Shane. And let's not forget the life and death ultimatum Shane gave Rick? What's her rationale? Rick was lying? God, she's an idiot. I pray her unborn child didn't inherit her stupidity and hypocrisy.

[DiabloAzul]

Lori secretly wanted Shane to walk out of those woods instead of Rick. That's the vibe she gave off when Rick told her about it.

[gametime]

I don't know if anyone here is familer with R.A. Salvatore's novels on the renegade drow, Drizzt do' urden, but machonne is the female version all the way. We know she's smart, she's got the zombies for a reason. stealth. Andrea never saw her coming. Katana was a bonus (drizzt uses to scimitars). I think she's going to be a wonderful addition to the show, and I loved all of her short glorious appearence.

At first I was annoyed with lori due to her reaction to Rick's honesty. But the talking dead cleared that up when they confirmed it more as a personal battle, because she ultimately felt responsible. I feel she had a lot to do with it, but really it was man to man, friend to friend. Rick did what needed to be done. He tried to help shane realize that survival does not rid us of human emotion, made him think they were going to abandon him on that bus. I feel that was supposed to teach him to have a little more heart. to think with not just his brain. because when the situation dramatically flips, he doesn't want to be left behind either. He didn't have the ability to learn from his friend, but Rick learned a lot from shane. took his survival instinct into him when he killed him, and is using it the right way for the better of the group. And without Shane, Rick wouldn't have the confirmation he wanted about the virus. Although he was a dick, his death was worth dying for.
the "ricktatorship" I don't believe will be a bad thing. Now that he's got his head on straight, they'll be fine. His speech may have been harsh, but you could see in his eyes everything he was saying was because he fucking cared about every one of them.
I have great expectations for season three. can't wait.

[Mel]

I don't understand why people are complaining about spoilers, If you haven't watched the episode yet then WHY did you click on the thread? It's common sense really.

I thought that this episode was definitely FAR superior than the rest of the season. I thought too much time was spent on the search for Sophia, and this episode definitely made up for that lackluster Arc. I quite enjoyed Michonne's entrance. Maybe I'm biased because she is one of my favorite characters from the comic, but I literally cheered as well when she made her entrance. It's refreshing to have another character on the show that defies gender roles(the women on this show for the most part are really useless and annoying), and I find it a bit coincidental that her and Andrea just so happen to meet first. AMC has a done a pretty good job with the casting, so I have faith that they wont miss the mark with Michonne. I think her entrance, a long with Rick's transformation, definitely signifies the new direction the show is about to take. If AMC can execute this upcoming story Arc correctly, then I feel that season 3 will be the best season yet.

On a side note, Lori needs to die, like now. Her character is so indecisive. She all but out right stated that she wanted Shane dead, and now that Rick did essentially what SHE wanted, she's upset about it? I honestly hate her more and more as the season goes on.  Also, I think she has officially beaten out Carol for worst parent of the year award; she never knows where the hell Carl is.

[Major Tom]

Rainbowpony, on 19 March 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

I know!! She seemed just devastated when he told her Carl took out ZShane, and all I can think is he wouldn't have been there to have to do it if she had just effing watched him!!!

From the stupid theory department so popular on this forum:

Stupid theory #1, Lori has been cuckolding Rick with Shane for years, and Carl is Shane's son. She is devastated Carl shot his Father, zombie or not.

More stupid theories will be forthcoming...

[zombiemma]

gametime, on 19 March 2012 - 03:17 AM, said:

I don't know if anyone here is familer with R.A. Salvatore's novels on the renegade drow, Drizzt do' urden, but machonne is the female version all the way. We know she's smart, she's got the zombies for a reason. stealth. Andrea never saw her coming. Katana was a bonus (drizzt uses to scimitars). I think she's going to be a wonderful addition to the show, and I loved all of her short glorious appearence.

I love Drizzt Do'Urden, what an amazing character! Neat to see another fan here.

[DerekJR321]

Poor Lori... now she can't be the tramp of the group. One minute she is basically encouraging Rick to kill him. Then when he does she acts all psycho. I can't stand her anymore. I hope she gets killed off soon.

[Serenity@sea]

I didn't rate this episode because my opinion falls in between excellent and good, but I think my expectations were too high. Coming from someone who has not read the comics, my first impression of Michonne was intrigue. The way she saved Andrea was very cool, especially since I kept yelling, "Where's Andrea?" Those two chained walkers? Wow!  I definitely want to know more about this character.

I did like the way Rick took charge. Rictatorship -they called it on TTD. LOL But I was surprised that Lori's reaction to Shane's death was so harsh. Also, it bugged me that they would camp out when they know that there are walkers everywhere. There has got to be a safer place. Find an abandoned house, for gods sake. There has to be a few thousand around there.
I need to watch the show again to gain some clarity.......

[The Walken Dead]

I thought the introduction of Michonne was great, maybe a little cheesy, but it's a show, so I thought it worked.

Spoiler

But, maybe this is explained later (or in the comics) but I didn't get why she had the two chained up zombies and why they wouldn't be trying to eat her. I get that they had no arms and perhaps no teeth? But still all the other zombies stop at nothing to go after the living regardless of what body parts they may be missing. Is the implication that they can be trained to a point?

If there is a defined answer to this in the comics/books, I'm not really looking to be told, just looking for any theories on it from people that don't know (like me).

[RegushRacing]

DerekJR321, on 19 March 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

Poor Lori... now she can't be the tramp of the group. One minute she is basically encouraging Rick to kill him. Then when he does she acts all psycho. I can't stand her anymore. I hope she gets killed off soon.

Would really love to know how she;s the tramp. She cut Shane off as soon as Rick came back alive after being told earlier by shane he was dead. SHe never encouraged Rick to kill Shane just wanted Rick to deal with the danger. Shanes dead enough with the Lori hate it was old a long time ago.

[zombiemma]

Serenity@sea, on 19 March 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

I did like the way Rick took charge. Rictatorship -they called it on TTD. LOL But I was surprised that Lori's reaction to Shane's death was so harsh. Also, it bugged me that they would camp out when they know that there are walkers everywhere. There has got to be a safer place. Find an abandoned house, for gods sake. There has to be a few thousand around there.
I need to watch the show again to gain some clarity.......

I was under the impression that they put quite some distance between themselves and the farm, seeing as it was the next day in those scenes. They had to have been traveling for at least a few hours. Maybe they felt the area was safe enough to camp out for the night.

[Bird24]

@ The Walken Dead

Spoiler

Apparently the two chained zombies are her boyfriend and his best friend

(I asked the same question in this thread and that was the answer). I think it's very interesting too. I am not a reader of the comics but the way she had them chained behind her was totally bad ass.

[meesha1971]

Amazing finale!

Zombies, zombies everywhere
and the fences all fell down
Zombies, zombies everywhere
better get out of town

I want some Hershel backstory now - for a pacifist, that man became a total badass.  My husband says he has to be a military verteran because of the way he was using the butt of his rifle to kill that last zombie before getting into the truck.  Seeing him look back towards the burning barn was sad.  Darryl was perfection - as usual.  Jimmy and Patricia's deaths were horrifying.  Andrea getting separated from the group was sad and terrifying.  Everyone who survived meeting up on the highway and then having to camp out in the open because they ran out of gas - Rick's confession - Rick taking control back and getting everyone in line - such a great way to end the season.

The only two things I didn't really like were Carol's comments to Darryl and the bizarre entrance of Michonne.  Carol's comments did fit with her characterization, but I was glad that Darryl shut her down.  The thing with Michonne was just weird - my husband asked me who the Jedi chick with the zombie slaves was and that was one of the first comments I saw on another forum after I got online when the show was over as well.  And what happened to all those zombies that were chasing Andrea?  Seems like they just went "poof".

Everything else was excellent though.  Can't wait for season 3!

[The Walken Dead]

Bird24, on 19 March 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

@ The Walken Dead

Spoiler

Apparently the two chained zombies are her boyfriend and his best friend

(I asked the same question in this thread and that was the answer). I think it's very interesting too. I am not a reader of the comics but the way she had them chained behind her was totally bad ass.

I read that some place too, but I'm trying not to get to many spoilers. I am really most curious to know why they weren't attacking. Was it just because it looked totally bad ass to have them chained that way, or has she figured out a way to train them (which would open up a whole other can of worms/possibilities.)

[Bird24]

By the way...I think a lot of people are thinking way too much into the episodes...the writers had a reason for why each part resulted in the way it did for each of the episodes... IMO

[Creeper]

I actually voted the episdoe as "good" rather than excellent.  I just felt like it flew by so freaking fast, there were so many things happening, that there wasn't much time for anything but "BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!" Which, I mean, I love killing zombies, I love the action, but I just felt like the epi should have been stretched to an hour and a half to allow 10 minutes more or so for dialog.  I dunno, it seems I'm in the minority.  It was still a great episode, but I actually felt like Better Angels was better...more well rounded.

A few things:
Lori - ugh. Just...ugh.  Maybe you should have WATCHED YOUR FREAKING KID! Frack, woman.  I'm quite intrigued by her reaction to Shane being dead.  On the one hand, I can see that she feels guilt for her little apology to Shane, and how that may have pushed him over the edge, forcing Rick to kill him.  That she is slightly hysterical over yet another step in her wittle boy's departure from a normal childhood - killing one of his childhood idols.  Yeah, that'll mess a kid up.  But he WAS a walker.  Soooo...get over it.  On the other hand, when I saw her reaction to hearing "the news" my first thought was "she loved him! She was in love with Shane!"  One thing I AM pretty certain of: that IS how Rick interpreted it.  There was pain, disbelief and anger in Rick's eyes when he turned and faced Lori, and I felt like he was thinking the same thing as I first did: she loved him.

For people being pissed at Carl for being all blubbery over Shane...I can completely see why he'd be messed up over this! Carl is a kid, he is going to be fairly unaware of what was really going on between his dad and Shane.  He had NO idea how nuts Shane was getting and how dangerous he was. I'll bet you anything he doesn't believe that Shane would actually try to kill Rick. So to him, his dad just murdered his idol in cold blood.  That is a harsh reality for him to not only have lost Shane personally, but to realise that his dad killed him for non-walker reasons.  I imagine he'll have to grow up some before he can really grasp how his dad had no choice.

Daryl saving Carol: be still my heart.  Seeing Daryl ride up on his bike like a knight in shining armour made me feel giddy.  Then the "What do you want?!" question and the little discussion between them...I'll squee in private.   I was irritated by Carol in this epi though.  I mean, I think she'll get over Rick's "betrayal" after she has had some time to digest.  But thinking that her and Daryl are better off on their own is crazy.  She should trust Rick a little more after all he has done, and tried to do, for her.  Everyone else (besides good ol' Daryl of course) would have given up on Sophia long before Rick did.

I do get why people feel angry at Rick over him hiding what Jenner said.  I think they'll get over it.  I believe Rick should have told them, even if he told them he wasn't positive Jenner was right.  But it doesn't change a whole heck of a lot that he DIDN'T tell them.  It wouldn't have changed how they did anything.  So they're all infected. OK.  Doesn't really change much...when you are dead, I don't think you care whether you come back or not anyway.  The only "dangerous" part, is that there could have been a situation where someone died in an accident or something where it would have been important to know that they'll rise again.

The Michonne thing was pretty 'meh'.  I'll just wait to reserve any real judgement until I see more of her character.  I thought the scene was fairly lame and just felt so....generic.  Plus, I STILL don't get why her neutered zombies don't try to go after Andrea and herself constantly, even if they can't do any damage.  "They're used to her" seems like a illogical (with this shows mythology) reasoning to me.  Anyway. We shall see.

I can't believe Andrea got left behind!  I just would have thought that her and Carol would have stuck together after Andrea came to save her! And then Carol was running around all by herself! I was kind of confused there.

I was glad Rick stood up for himself finally.  People have been down on him since day one, they've never patted him on the back for anything he did right or for them, but they always pointed out any mistakes he made.  It isn't like he's going to be against getting advice from Daryl or Herschel or Glen or whoever.  But someone has to make the final decision, and I think Rick is as good as any.  Good for him for saying "there's the door if you want out."

Cannot WAIT for season 3 though..

Spoiler

.the prison is going to be pretty awesome I think.  There is just so much tension in the group right now..except for maybe Herschel and Daryl, I had the strong sense that even though no one else was leaving, everyone is unhappy with Rick's leadership right now. So when they get to the prison and there is another leader there I think it will either 1) draw the original group tighter together, because they don't trust the other people even more or 2) it'll break the group up because there will be other options for leadership besides Rick.

Edited by Creeper, 19 March 2012 - 03:58 AM.

[ChristopherWalker]

xxbakerxx72, on 19 March 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

Also, it seems Dale's RV is gone now.....=(

Just saw the episode for the 2nd time with the rebroadcast. When they cut away from Jimmy getting chewed up they have a shot of Rick looking at the RV with the blood on the windows. The shot gives a whole new meaning to the expression "If the RV's a rockin, then don't come a knockin" lol

[Mel]

meesha1971, on 19 March 2012 - 03:35 AM, said:

Amazing finale!

Zombies, zombies everywhere
and the fences all fell down
Zombies, zombies everywhere
better get out of town

I want some Hershel backstory now - for a pacifist, that man became a total badass.  My husband says he has to be a military verteran because of the way he was using the butt of his rifle to kill that last zombie before getting into the truck.  Seeing him look back towards the burning barn was sad.  Darryl was perfection - as usual.  Jimmy and Patricia's deaths were horrifying.  Andrea getting separated from the group was sad and terrifying.  Everyone who survived meeting up on the highway and then having to camp out in the open because they ran out of gas - Rick's confession - Rick taking control back and getting everyone in line - such a great way to end the season.

The only two things I didn't really like were Carol's comments to Darryl and the bizarre entrance of Michonne.  Carol's comments did fit with her characterization, but I was glad that Darryl shut her down.  The thing with Michonne was just weird - my husband asked me who the Jedi chick with the zombie slaves was and that was one of the first comments I saw on another forum after I got online when the show was over as well.  And what happened to all those zombies that were chasing Andrea?  Seems like they just went "poof".

Everything else was excellent though.  Can't wait for season 3!

Michonne's entrance seems to be a problem with all of the people who have not read the comic. I think Robert Kirkman stated it perfectly during the talking dead when he said viewers of the show will find her entrance bizarre. The comic readers and the viewers seem to be divided on her entrance. I think all of the people who strictly watch the show will come to appreciate it once more is revealed about her. I think her entrance characterizes her perfectly. She's a bizarre, mysterious woman that appears out of no where; her whole persona is strange and shocking.

[Slouchy]

I think the general atmosphere was more about Rick becoming what he hated. Even though everybody crapped on his moderation they counted on it. Now they've lost faith.

Also, it's nice to finally see TV show Rick grow a pair and start to match up with comic book Rick. This ain't a Democracy!

[meesha1971]

Mel, on 19 March 2012 - 03:52 AM, said:

Michonne's entrance seems to be a problem with all of the people who have not read the comic. I think Robert Kirkman stated it perfectly during the talking dead when he said viewers of the show will find her entrance bizarre. The comic readers and the viewers seem to be divided on her entrance. I think all of the people who strictly watch the show will come to appreciate it once more is revealed about her. I think her entrance characterizes her perfectly. She's a bizarre, mysterious woman that appears out of no where; her whole persona is strange and shocking.

I'm reading the comics now actually - I'm somewhere in the whole prison/Governor sequence, but I don't know which specific issue because I have that compendium.  I don't particularly like the character in the comic either - she feels rather tacked on to me.  There doesn't seem to be much purpose for her within the context of the story.

They could improve that in the TV show, but tonight's bizrare introduction does not bode well.  I was really hoping they would cut the whole "pet zombie" thing.  To much of a gimmick and has no plausibility at all, IMO.  Just have to wait and see what they do with her in season 3.

[GJones712]

I literally jumped up and yelled 'Michonne!' when she popped up. I can see why it would seem weird to some, though. When she first appeared in the comic it confused me a bit, but once more of her story is revealed, she fits right in.

Also, for anyone who was interested and wasn't able to read it, a six page origin story for Michonne was released in this month's Playboy.

Edited by GJones712, 19 March 2012 - 04:12 AM.

[Mel]

Also, Michonne's introduction may have been strange, but without those two zombies by her side how do you think she would have managed to survive on her own? They allow her to be stealthy and move freely w/o being noticed by walkers, as does her sword. More will be revealed about her past, which sheds light as to why a sword is her weapon of choice, and why she has two walkers that appear to be submissive to her. She may be just "Meh" now in the eyes of some viewers, but I promise you that she will easily become a fan favorite once Season 3 begins.

[Major Tom]

Rainbowpony, on 19 March 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

Yes, I did, and in the episode I don't recall a single instant where the name Michonne came up, or the vague outline of buildings was identified as a prison.  No worries, though, because talking dead went ahead and revealed it, too.  I just wonder if some of you go to movies you've already seen and tell people who haven't seen it how it ends.

Tell the truth, you would like to see spoiler banned by a Constitutional amendment, and all spoiler lovers imprisoned.