[Lucretia]

No, but it had to be done. I enjoyed his exit for the most part, but I wasn't a big fan of the events leading up to it; suddenly going all psychotic again and lurking Rick out in the woods just seemed a bit too much, even for Shane. I wish Darabont was still around for this half of the season, would've been interesting to see how he wanted to kill him off.

[Maka523]

Ohri, on 17 March 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

It was a logical thing for Shane to die. There was no other way out of it.
BUT his death will be a big big loss for the group.

Even he was more an more lunatic, he happens to be right all the time about things.

Yes it was stupid to look for Sophia that long.
Yes it was stupid having Walkers in the barn
Yes it was stupid letting that kid run free with all the knowing he has.

Rick, with no counter part, will probably make foul decisions
Only god thing is, that Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize named Dale ist dead too.

Times changed.

(Excuse my english )

Probably would be a good time for Rick to integrate Andrea into his "command structure", eh?  She has a good deal of Shane's pragmatism, quite a bit more compassion and none of his psychosis.

As for Shane himself, at least he was more than a bit character this time around.  But he needed to die, both to advance Rick's character development and because he really was never going to stop trying to kill him.

Edited by Maka523, 17 March 2012 - 08:56 PM.

[xaviersaint]

For me it was a matter of time. If it wasn't Rick it would have been someone else. He was going too far off the deep end for his own good. I get why people wanted him to turn a leaf but just wasn't gonna happen. The difference between Shane and Rick came down to the difference of "might is right" and "diplomacy" in a manner of speaking. I think Shane was going to get himself killed one way or another. Either overestimating himself in the face of danger or having karma catch up with him or finding out there are others much more sinister then him.

[Ohri]

Maka523, on 17 March 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

<br />Probably would be a good time for Rick to integrate Andrea into his &quot;command structure&quot;, eh?  She has a good deal of Shane's pragmatism, quite a bit more compassion and none of his psychosis.<br /><br />As for Shane himself, at least he was more than a bit character this time around.  But he needed to die, both to advance Rick's character development and because he really was never going to stop trying to kill him.<br />

<br /><br /><br />

This is a good idea. Andrea is kind of a Shane light.
Rick needs someone to get him down from his "old fashioned" moral standards. Those won`t fit in this world anymore.

[lost walker]

I don't think Shane minded rick being in charge. Seems like it was always kinda that way pre ZA. It seems to me Shane just wanted Rick to make the same decisions he would make. So badly it drove him nuts!! I think also u could see the pain and remorse he was going through after he shot Otis. Shane might have claimed he had full control of the whole ZA business but out of the group he may have been its worst victim. Your better off dead when you just become a danger to the people around you.
RIP Shane Walsh.

[Dejablue]

I thought Shane was an asshole.  But it's pretty obvious that underneath his clearly breaking psyche, he was trying to do right by the few people left that he loved. So no I didn't WANT him to die. But I figured he needed to die.

[RoxasTheNobody93]

Shane was a spastic and was causing the group a lot of problems. He deserved it!

[icomputergeek]

I think Rick and Lori just pushed him under the bus, then directed the bus to reverse and do it again.
Lori is sneaky, she said her "goodbye i'm sorry" speech to Shane for a reason, she knew if she told him when he's on thin ice that he'd fall. Lori wanted Rick to take care of Shane because he's dangerous, well that's probably because she's a little skank that can't think with her upstairs brain. And just wrecked a man's life.

Edited by icomputergeek, 18 March 2012 - 12:48 PM.

[GHOSTR3V0LV3R]

• Survivor#125323466, on 16 March 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

I felt Shane was out of control starting with him busting the doors to the barn off. This is just a short topic with a poll, because in noticed a lot of people were dissapointed by Shanes death, so i want your opinions.

[Lola]

GHOSTR3V0LV3R, on 18 March 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

[list][*]


I think nobody gives Shane the credit he deserves. A lot of you are actually pretty ignorant to what Shane's character brought to the series. The only reason why he went "psychotic" is because he was constantly belittled by Rick. Jealously and lack of power is what drove him over the edge, but it would do the same to any man in a world where 5% of the world's population is still alive. He has so little women to choose from and so little options, and the fact that every option he has is destroyed by Rick, I can understand why his anger got out of control. Everyone just thinks he was a mad man to begin with. No, he TRULY cared for Carl, who wasn't even his son. To see a man with such jealousy issues overcome such a big one (Carl not being his son), it really proves he can care for people. Lori too. BOTH of them, and frankly the rest of the group, would be dead if it wasn't for him during the beginning of Season 1. It wasn't until the end of Season 2 that we can truly see the animosity in Shane reach a boiling point, especially towards Rick. But he also cared deeply for Rick, too. He is the ONLY one who truly knows that he saved Rick's ass to begin with.

I'm actually pretty pissed they killed him so off and made the simpler minded audiences believe he was so evil. He was completely misunderstood and only meant well for everyone until the recent turn of events. He was a survivor. He had the PERFECT decisions FOR survival. But everyone just thought he was suggesting killing the guy in barn to be evil. One life versus fifteen? What if that kid actually went back and lead his group to the farm? The kid even said it himself: the group was a bunch of rough and wild men that Shane would fit in with. It was a totally rational decision for Shane to kill him. Frankly, in a world of no humanity, humanity is a weakness. You need to make choices to survive, and that's what Shane did.

The only good I can see come out of this is Rick making his transformation from the comic. We're going to see a very, very dark Rick coming soon, and we're going to see a fine line between Rick staying the good-natured leader he was and between Rick turning into another Shane. When Rick becomes the second Shane, everyone will understand what Shane went through and how tormented he was. Either way, Shane shouldn't have went out the way he did. He keep them ALIVE. Like f*ck... Whatever. Let's see if the writers can come up with something that will actually keep me watching the show now.

GHOSTR3V0LV3R, on 18 March 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

[list][*]


I think nobody gives Shane the credit he deserves. A lot of you are actually pretty ignorant to what Shane's character brought to the series. The only reason why he went "psychotic" is because he was constantly belittled by Rick. Jealously and lack of power is what drove him over the edge, but it would do the same to any man in a world where 5% of the world's population is still alive. He has so little women to choose from and so little options, and the fact that every option he has is destroyed by Rick, I can understand why his anger got out of control. Everyone just thinks he was a mad man to begin with. No, he TRULY cared for Carl, who wasn't even his son. To see a man with such jealousy issues overcome such a big one (Carl not being his son), it really proves he can care for people. Lori too. BOTH of them, and frankly the rest of the group, would be dead if it wasn't for him during the beginning of Season 1. It wasn't until the end of Season 2 that we can truly see the animosity in Shane reach a boiling point, especially towards Rick. But he also cared deeply for Rick, too. He is the ONLY one who truly knows that he saved Rick's ass to begin with.

I'm actually pretty pissed they killed him so off and made the simpler minded audiences believe he was so evil. He was completely misunderstood and only meant well for everyone until the recent turn of events. He was a survivor. He had the PERFECT decisions FOR survival. But everyone just thought he was suggesting killing the guy in barn to be evil. One life versus fifteen? What if that kid actually went back and lead his group to the farm? The kid even said it himself: the group was a bunch of rough and wild men that Shane would fit in with. It was a totally rational decision for Shane to kill him. Frankly, in a world of no humanity, humanity is a weakness. You need to make choices to survive, and that's what Shane did.

The only good I can see come out of this is Rick making his transformation from the comic. We're going to see a very, very dark Rick coming soon, and we're going to see a fine line between Rick staying the good-natured leader he was

I agree with you about Shane making some good decisions. And i really liked Shane. Sometimes. I think he was right in the Otis situation. I think he was right about the barn situation. I think he was right about Randall. And he taught Andrea & (did he teach Carl too??) To shoot & protect herself
But the bottom line no matter what...even if Shane  could be proven to be kind..good intentioned...right in his choices...a better leader...more skilled at protecting the group...a better partner to Lori...a better father to the unborn baby...a more suitable role model for Carl...Shane

[Lola]

GHOSTR3V0LV3R, on 18 March 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

[list][*]


I think nobody gives Shane the credit he deserves. A lot of you are actually pretty ignorant to what Shane's character brought to the series. The only reason why he went "psychotic" is because he was constantly belittled by Rick. Jealously and lack of power is what drove him over the edge, but it would do the same to any man in a world where 5% of the world's population is still alive. He has so little women to choose from and so little options, and the fact that every option he has is destroyed by Rick, I can understand why his anger got out of control. Everyone just thinks he was a mad man to begin with. No, he TRULY cared for Carl, who wasn't even his son. To see a man with such jealousy issues overcome such a big one (Carl not being his son), it really proves he can care for people. Lori too. BOTH of them, and frankly the rest of the group, would be dead if it wasn't for him during the beginning of Season 1. It wasn't until the end of Season 2 that we can truly see the animosity in Shane reach a boiling point, especially towards Rick. But he also cared deeply for Rick, too. He is the ONLY one who truly knows that he saved Rick's ass to begin with.

I'm actually pretty pissed they killed him so off and made the simpler minded audiences believe he was so evil. He was completely misunderstood and only meant well for everyone until the recent turn of events. He was a survivor. He had the PERFECT decisions FOR survival. But everyone just thought he was suggesting killing the guy in barn to be evil. One life versus fifteen? What if that kid actually went back and lead his group to the farm? The kid even said it himself: the group was a bunch of rough and wild men that Shane would fit in with. It was a totally rational decision for Shane to kill him. Frankly, in a world of no humanity, humanity is a weakness. You need to make choices to survive, and that's what Shane did.

The only good I can see come out of this is Rick making his transformation from the comic. We're going to see a very, very dark Rick coming soon, and we're going to see a fine line between Rick staying the good-natured leader he was and between Rick turning into another Shane. When Rick becomes the second Shane, everyone will understand what Shane went through and how tormented he was. Either way, Shane shouldn't have went out the way he did. He wasn't a bad person. Just tormented and very confused. It would have been nice to see some humanity in Shane before he died before the stupid writers made him out to be such a demon to everyone. God, I'm sorry, I'm just so annoyed. Shane was my favorite character. He was f*ckin' REALISTIC

I agree with you about Shane making some good decisions. And i really liked Shane. Sometimes. I think he was right in the Otis situation. I think he was right about the barn situation. I think he was right about Randall. And he taught Andrea & (did he teach Carl too??) To shoot & protect herself
But the bottom line no matter what...even if Shane  could be proven to be kind..good intentioned...right in his choices...a better leader...more skilled at protecting the group...a better partner to Lori...a better father to the unborn baby...a more suitable role model for Carl...even if all of that and more were true it just doesn't matter. Shane decided to murder someone. You could even elaborate & say Shane decided to take away someones husband someones father. He chose to become a freaking sociopathic monster & kill Rick because he was in his way. Rick decided to not ALLOW himself to be killed. Rick didnt choose to murder Shane. Rick had minutes...seconds to figure out how to NOT get killed. That is really the only way to look at Shanes death. Shane decided to murder Rick & Rick decided to not let Shane murder him. Shane will be missed by many for a long time though sucks you had to go too far Shane

[ShaneWalsh]

Ofcourse not.

[Lola]

Also...i think you arent giving us credit Ghost, when you say a lot of us thought Shane was evil for wanting to kill the guy in the barn. I think most of us realized how really dumb it was for Rick to save the kid only to let him go or kill him.
IF i were going to save someone it would only be someone I thought worthy to be saved & who would be an asset to the group. If youre shooting at me youre not worthy to be saved or going to be a part of my group see ya! So most of us critiqued Rick for that debacle. What WAS evil, however,  was Shane throwing a hammer or axe or shovel whatever it was at ricks head. At that point..it would have been see ya to Shane.

[TheUnicyclingDead]

I like the voting options. Did you want Shane to die?
A. Yes.
B. No.
C. No.
D. Yes.

Ha ha.

I mean, if you picked A or B, weren't your reasons for picking A or B the ones listed in answers C and D?

[Lola]

I meant no disrespect by my post. I really felt sad when Shane died & like you ghost I thought he was a great character. I just wanted you to know everyone didn't see it so black & white. At least i didn't.

[raset]

GHOSTR3V0LV3R, on 18 March 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

[list][*]


I think nobody gives Shane the credit he deserves. A lot of you are actually pretty ignorant to what Shane's character brought to the series. The only reason why he went "psychotic" is because he was constantly belittled by Rick. Jealously and lack of power is what drove him over the edge, but it would do the same to any man in a world where 5% of the world's population is still alive. He has so little women to choose from and so little options, and the fact that every option he has is destroyed by Rick, I can understand why his anger got out of control. Everyone just thinks he was a mad man to begin with. No, he TRULY cared for Carl, who wasn't even his son. To see a man with such jealousy issues overcome such a big one (Carl not being his son), it really proves he can care for people. Lori too. BOTH of them, and frankly the rest of the group, would be dead if it wasn't for him during the beginning of Season 1. It wasn't until the end of Season 2 that we can truly see the animosity in Shane reach a boiling point, especially towards Rick. But he also cared deeply for Rick, too. He is the ONLY one who truly knows that he saved Rick's ass to begin with.

I'm actually pretty pissed they killed him so off and made the simpler minded audiences believe he was so evil. He was completely misunderstood and only meant well for everyone until the recent turn of events. He was a survivor. He had the PERFECT decisions FOR survival. But everyone just thought he was suggesting killing the guy in barn to be evil. One life versus fifteen? What if that kid actually went back and lead his group to the farm? The kid even said it himself: the group was a bunch of rough and wild men that Shane would fit in with. It was a totally rational decision for Shane to kill him. Frankly, in a world of no humanity, humanity is a weakness. You need to make choices to survive, and that's what Shane did.

The only good I can see come out of this is Rick making his transformation from the comic. We're going to see a very, very dark Rick coming soon, and we're going to see a fine line between Rick staying the good-natured leader he was and between Rick turning into another Shane. When Rick becomes the second Shane, everyone will understand what Shane went through and how tormented he was. Either way, Shane shouldn't have went out the way he did. He wasn't a bad person. Just tormented and very confused. It would have been nice to see some humanity in Shane before he died before the stupid writers made him out to be such a demon to everyone. God, I'm sorry, I'm just so annoyed. Shane was my favorite character. He was f*ckin' REALISTIC. I'm sorry, but I don't need good intentions in a zombie apocalypse. He cared about the group (Dale? Not so much), and he only made choices to keep them ALIVE. Like f*ck... Whatever. Let's see if the writers can come up with something that will actually keep me watching the show now.

I agree with you , not only because he is my favorite character, its because the important things he has done, sacrifice the good side of him to protect the he loves (Lori and Carl) and survive no matter what, when rick and the group is weakened, he was always there for the group and tell them the reality of survival. hehehe  like you said the death of shane will gonna affect rick and the group, they will understand what Shane went through. If they want to surivive >>> Everyone is going to become Shane someday.

About the topic, Did i want Shane to die? No of course, kirkman said he changed the series a little bit, to make it exciting and do not make more of the same, if he did that >>> i hope in future seasons make a plan to revive Shane, a good one because he died twice Brouuu Oh Nooo. The revive of Shane depend on the fans, the power of the fans.

[Grénádé]

I was hoping they would make him likable again so his loss would be felt with more sadness than how he went out.  When he was killed he was Crazy-Ass Shane but I think if he did something to save people and earn some redemption in the groups eyes his loss would have had more of a sting to it.

[Shane FTW]

Plus, no one can ever call shane a murderer again without saying Rick is too after tonight. He admitted it, and in a weird sort of way, I think that's exactly what Shane wanted.

[wingchun]

Shane was full of it from the beginning. He left Rick to die in the hospital. His story to Lori was BS.

When Rick awoke zombies were behind chained door with warning do not open dead inside written on it. Hallways were clear of bodies etc. Shane's story had fighting in the halls Bodies and Z's all over the place. For his story to be true army had to kill all the Z's and chain the door and clean up the hallways and yet never look into Ricks room and then leave area in orderly fashion.]

[Shane FTW]

Did you not see the flashback last season?

[jenna2008]

Some COMIC spoilers (used tags, no worries)...
I believe that Shane needed to die. He had totally lost the plot. His only concern was Lori.
That being said, I didn't like the way he died. I knew the AMC team didn't have the balls to kill him off the way it was done in the comics

Spoiler

Carl shot him and NOT when he was already a zombie

I'm just wondering now

Spoiler

how is this going to help Carl's 'transformation'? In the comic, this is what started it.

Edited by jenna2008, 19 March 2012 - 10:05 AM.

[Shane FTW]

I don't think Carl's gonna make a believable transformation into a badass as he's supposed to. All he's done is come as a whiny irresponsible little brat who's ruining a perfectly good cowboy hat. I can see them trying it and me just rolling my eyes.

[Survivor#125323466]

ZombieGMX, on 17 March 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

Had to leave or be killed! Cancer to the group and chemistry to keep hope alive in the new dark world. I liken him to the kids / parents in youth sports. I have coached for 10 plus years and try to promote team work, focus, and execution while having fun. Shane was that parent or kid that lets a concern or issue fester without speaking up! Tears down all that is good about a team in the five minute ride home or while talking negative to another parent. Maybe a bad analogy bug uli think you all feel me?

I thought he did help the group by being one of the tougher ones, but that really does not excuse the fact that he does all the stuff that angers you and me.

[Survivor#125323466]

ZombieGMX, on 17 March 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

Had to leave or be killed! Cancer to the group and chemistry to keep hope alive in the new dark world. I liken him to the kids / parents in youth sports. I have coached for 10 plus years and try to promote team work, focus, and execution while having fun. Shane was that parent or kid that lets a concern or issue fester without speaking up! Tears down all that is good about a team in the five minute ride home or while talking negative to another parent. Maybe a bad analogy bug uli think you all feel me?

I thought he did help the group by being one of the tougher ones, but that really does not excuse the fact that he does all the stuff that angers you and me.

[Barry Cade]

Shane FTW, on 19 March 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

I don't think Carl's gonna make a believable transformation into a badass as he's supposed to. All he's done is come as a whiny irresponsible little brat who's ruining a perfectly good cowboy hat. I can see them trying it and me just rolling my eyes.

"Ruining a perfectly good cowboy hat!" gets a +1 from lil' ole' me.