[Yuruult]

Carl is a stuped little idiot. Always says I want to go, Im not a baby, well he is a brainless baby. Hate him more then Justin Bieber. Carl just should have said there was zombie kill it before it harms any one, Why doesnt he have a brain to think so

[WalkerBaitress]

While I am not in the "blame-Carl" camp, I do think what he did was stupid, yet typical of a 10-year-old kid trying to find his way in an adults-only world. I agree with this point Jun made:

jun, on 16 March 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

It annoys me the most is that after all of whats happened, Rick and Lori havn't properly dealt with it.

A lot of the onus on what happened falls on Rick's and Lori's shoulders as Carl's parents. In the "normal world," it would be unrealistic and rather smothering for parents to keep an eye on an older child like Carl. I have a 10-year-old and an almost-13-year-old, and my husband and I let them both play in the neighborhood playground with other kids, without us having to keep a vigilant watch over them. In fact, they'd get kind of wierded out if we were hanging around the playground watching them play with other pre-teens when all they want to do is be kids. (I'll add, though, that we do have them check in with us at designated times and impose a "deadline" time--and we take away their privileges if they disobey us on that.)

However, the ZA in the world of TWD is NOT the "normal world" and is a dangerous place for a kid of any age to be left alone. Lori and Rick shouldn't be letting their son roam freely in the forest, around motorcycles, around weapons, without them or another adult keeping an eye on him. That's just plain stupidity and irresponsibility as parents IMO.

And what the hell was with Rick just giving Carl a gun he *stole* from another group member? If one of my kids stole a freakin' pack of gum from a 7-11, there'd be serious consequences. Carl stole a loaded weapon, and then all Rick does is have a little father/son pep talk with him and says, "here, son, take this, you'll need it." Rick's a former police officer--you'd think he'd want to instill a sense of a) gun safety and morality around the whole theft issue into his son. Yes, it's a new, dangerous world and competence with a gun might be a good thing, but the least Rick could do is march Carl's little butt over to Daryl and have him apologize. Maybe this happens in the deleted scenes of the forthcoming S2 DVD. I sure hope someone in the show addresses it!

[scarylala]

i think he's just a kid trying to grow up too fast and not really thinking about the consequences cause he's a kid. i believe its his fault that Dale got killed cause he taunted the walker into freeing itself plus he almost got himself killed - i also think he dropped the gun as well so theyre a weapon down. He didnt even bother to come clean and tell anyone what he did cause if he did then someone wouldve went out & killed the walker to protect the group

[GirlsDeadMonster]

On the one hand, if Carl didn't have the gun then he wouldn't have been able to save his dad from zombie Shane, although Rick had his back turned because he was focused on Carl. Maybe those two cancel each other out. However, in the ZA, you see a walker close to your camp, you tell someone about it. Keeping it to himself made a dangerous sitution for the group. Also, I felt that Dale was the heart of the group, the small Jiminey Cricket that tried to steer the group in a more humane direction, with him gone will shatter the group. Also the lost of Shane as a fighter is hard too. Sometimes, I just wish Carl would hurry up and get killed. That sounds bad, I know.

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[Trillian]

GirlsDeadMonster, on 30 August 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

On the one hand, if Carl didn't have the gun then he wouldn't have been able to save his dad from zombie Shane, although Rick had his back turned because he was focused on Carl. Maybe those two cancel each other out. However, in the ZA, you see a walker close to your camp, you tell someone about it. Keeping it to himself made a dangerous sitution for the group. Also, I felt that Dale was the heart of the group, the small Jiminey Cricket that tried to steer the group in a more humane direction, with him gone will shatter the group. Also the lost of Shane as a fighter is hard too. Sometimes, I just wish Carl would hurry up and get killed. That sounds bad, I know.

I think protecting Carl is Rick's primary reason for living.

[ShadowHunter]

Though I dislike Carl, I don't think he was the main reason Dale died. It was partially Dale's own fault, he shouldn't have gone as far out as he did, especially at night.

Carl provoked the walker, but I think it was inevitable that it would escape.

[Trillian]

ShadowHunter, on 31 August 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

Though I dislike Carl, I don't think he was the main reason Dale died. It was partially Dale's own fault, he shouldn't have gone as far out as he did, especially at night.

Carl provoked the walker, but I think it was inevitable that it would escape.

I agree that Dale bears some responsibility for his own demise, but I don't agree about the inevitability of the walker's escape.  

The walker had gone into that dormant (lurker) mode that we see when there's no food around.  I'm not sure that it would have been motivated enough to escape.  It had already been established that Otis and Hershel had found multiple walkers stuck in the mud in that area and moved them to the barn where they got to eat tasty chickens.

[Kat]

Trillian, on 01 September 2012 - 01:26 AM, said:

I agree that Dale bears some responsibility for his own demise, but I don't agree about the inevitability of the walker's escape.  

The walker had gone into that dormant (lurker) mode that we see when there's no food around.  I'm not sure that it would have been motivated enough to escape.  It had already been established that Otis and Hershel had found multiple walkers stuck in the mud in that area and moved them to the barn where they got to eat tasty chickens.

Agreed.  Carl set the ball rolling by poking the walker with a stick.  Dale though knew better than to go wandering around like that.

[ShadowHunter]

Trillian, on 01 September 2012 - 01:26 AM, said:

I agree that Dale bears some responsibility for his own demise, but I don't agree about the inevitability of the walker's escape.  

The walker had gone into that dormant (lurker) mode that we see when there's no food around.  I'm not sure that it would have been motivated enough to escape.  It had already been established that Otis and Hershel had found multiple walkers stuck in the mud in that area and moved them to the barn where they got to eat tasty chickens.

That's true. But I think it would have escaped eventually, just way later

[Trillian]

ShadowHunter, on 01 September 2012 - 03:37 AM, said:

That's true. But I think it would have escaped eventually, just way later

"Way later" would have made a lot of difference.  It's unlikely that the walker would have killed Dale if it had escaped way later.

[Trillian]

I believe that provoking the walker that killed Dale was Carl's last childish act.

[ShadowHunter]

Trillian, on 20 September 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

"Way later" would have made a lot of difference.  It's unlikely that the walker would have killed Dale if it had escaped way later.

That's what I meant. Dale died because of Carl provoking the walker, it just wouldn't have been stuck forever

[LadyDi4476]

While Dale may not have been the most valuable character on the show, I do think Carl's actions ultimately cost him his life. Carl is needs a good smack upside his sherrif hat wearing head. He needs a reality check and to stop thinking the world revolves around him. Hopefully he'll do a lot of growing up this upcoming season.