[JackpottDubstep]

Hi guys,
New poster here.

Been scanning this forum throughout all of season two and read quite a few good posts and theories. It took me a while to register due to the fact I'm an awful conservationist at the best of times and only just built up the courage to post something lol.
Anyway enough about me,

As most of you, ( If not all of you ) are already aware

Spoiler

Rick killed Shane

.

I was thinking to myself how do you think Rick is going to tell the group?

Will he tell the truth or lie? *personally I think he is a honest Abe person and wont*


Do you think he may lie and tell the group that

Spoiler

Shane

  was devoured from the humongous group of walkers?


Perhaps maybe lie and say the gunshot was from

Spoiler

Shane

trying to defend himself?

How do you think the group will react to what Rick tells them?

Mixed emotions surely?

Sorry if there is a topic like this already I'm not aware of one. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts and opinions.
Also sorry if I didn't use the spoiler tag correctly lol.

Thanks.

[Faith]

I'll go with mostly truth.  Possibly some of omitted, but mostly truth, except for Lori.  I think she will get the full lowdown.

[JackpottDubstep]

I don't have any idea what will go down, I can't wait to find out lol.
How do you think the group are going to react to whatever he says.
Say if he tells them the full truth, do you think they will be ok with it or will the group break more?

[Serenity@sea]

Welcome!

I think the whole issue of Shane will be overshadowed by the horde of walkers approaching. I don't think they will have much time to deal with it.. Once Rick get the chance, I think he will tell them the truth. I think everyone in the group saw that Shane was becoming unhinged.

[TheUnicyclingDead]

He's going to tell the truth. Everyone has seen Shane starting to go off the deep end... even Andrea, his biggest proponent, seemed a little freaked out when Shane said they should just take over and lock everyone up. Ha ha. Rick has no real reason to hide it.

[gracie lou]

I really don't see any reason for Rick to lie. Glenn and Daryl can back up half of his story, and I'm sure most of the people can piece together what happened. I don't see anything to gain by lying.

Like people said, though, the Shane issue will completely be overshadowed by the huge herd that is approaching. I doubt we'll hear too much in the way of an explanation, until they are out of danger, and there will probably be at least a couple people that won't even be around to ask any questions.

Edited by gracie lou, 16 March 2012 - 01:18 AM.

[Babs Bladdyblah]

I think Rick will tell the truth and to those who question or don't like it will have to deal with it. Cause Rick is getting ready to get his "bad" on. That's my best guess anyway.

[Coarse Limely]

The only person I can really see causing problems over this is Andrea. She was just giving Lori a speech about how Lori's family gets to be so perfect even with the world coming to an end, and now

Spoiler

Lori's husband kills Andrea's lover.

Edited by Coarse Limely, 16 March 2012 - 02:03 AM.

[Serenity@sea]

Coarse Limely, on 16 March 2012 - 01:55 AM, said:

The only person I can really see causing problems over this is Andrea. She was just giving Lori a speech about how Lori's family gets to be so perfect even with the world coming to an end, and now

Spoiler

Lori's husband kills Andrea's lover.

They were only one time lovers. I think she was distancing herself from Shane. Like when she told Rick that she wasn't his babysitter and basically that she could not control him.
I did love that scene in the car with her and Shane, BTW. Even though they didn't show much, it was like the adrenline was pumping and it was such a primal reaction to what they just gone through.

Edited by Serenity@sea, 16 March 2012 - 02:18 AM.

[NotreDameKev]

I can't believe Shane is dead.  Also, I can't believe what a slut Lori is by sleepibg with Shane only a week or two after she thought Rick was dead.

I wonder if people will ask right away and if Rick will just deflect the question until the battle is over or tell them right away that he killed Shane.

[Damon Z]

Serenity@sea, on 16 March 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

Welcome!

I think the whole issue of Shane will be overshadowed by the horde of walkers approaching. I don't think they will have much time to deal with it.. Once Rick get the chance, I think he will tell them the truth. I think everyone in the group saw that Shane was becoming unhinged.

I agree with this.

From the looks of the scenes they're not gonna have a lot of time to discuss what happened between he and Shane.


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[Maka523]

Coarse Limely, on 16 March 2012 - 01:55 AM, said:

The only person I can really see causing problems over this is Andrea. She was just giving Lori a speech about how Lori's family gets to be so perfect even with the world coming to an end, and now

Spoiler

Lori's husband kills Andrea's lover.

They only had sex that once, and there was no indication that they had bothered to make it a more regular activity.  It was just a spur of the moment thing, whether by stress relief, the 9-11 effect, or just her feeling powerful (for once in a very long time) and seeing something that she liked (Shane's penis).  Along similar lines, I don't think their argument had roots in jealousy over Shane (if anything, it was jealousy over Lori's picture perfect life in the ZA).

Andrea actually seemed to be distancing herself from Shane as early as the mutiny talk in "Judge, Jury".  Or her agreeing to watch the prisoner for Dale.  By the end of "Judge, Jury" I think Shane knew where she stood, which is also why I think Rick appointed her his homefront lieutenant in "Better Angels".  If she's going to raise a fuss over Shane's death, it's not going to be because she slept with him once.

[jun]

JackpottDubstep, on 16 March 2012 - 12:32 AM, said:

Do you think he may lie and tell the group that

Spoiler

Shane

  was devoured from the humongous group of walkers?

This could not work. Shane was never bit, he reanimated only to die by Carl's bullet. As far as i know, zombies don't eat other zombies that have been/still reanimated. Unless Rick got rid of the body, i don't see how the group would believe him as there would be no evidence to back his story.

[Ciren]

Maka523, on 16 March 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

If she's going to raise a fuss over Shane's death, it's not going to be because she slept with him once.

Did they really sleep in between "honking the horn"?

[Babs Bladdyblah]

Maka523, on 16 March 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

They only had sex that once, and there was no indication that they had bothered to make it a more regular activity.  It was just a spur of the moment thing, whether by stress relief, the 9-11 effect, or just her feeling powerful (for once in a very long time) and seeing something that she liked (Shane's penis).  Along similar lines, I don't think their argument had roots in jealousy over Shane (if anything, it was jealousy over Lori's picture perfect life in the ZA).

Andrea actually seemed to be distancing herself from Shane as early as the mutiny talk in "Judge, Jury".  Or her agreeing to watch the prisoner for Dale.  By the end of "Judge, Jury" I think Shane knew where she stood, which is also why I think Rick appointed her his homefront lieutenant in "Better Angels".  If she's going to raise a fuss over Shane's death, it's not going to be because she slept with him once.

[backwoodsroamer]

Rick will tell the truth. Shane wasn't winning a man of the year award with the group. He has no reason not to tell what happened.  Daryl and Glenn can both corroborate Shane was up to no good.

The only problem I see might see is  Andrea. Although I think she's come to see what a loose cannon Shane was.

The wild card in the deck is Lori. I can't tell how she really felt about Shane. I don't believe she was trying to convince Rick to kill Shane during their talk in the tent as so many here believe. Nor do I believe she was leading Shane on in the windmill scene. She has however, in my opinion, shown a great deal of emotional immaturity  and demonstrated the social skills of a rock.

[Maka523]

Ciren, on 16 March 2012 - 05:14 AM, said:

Did they really sleep in between "honking the horn"?

Pssh, y'know what I mean.

(It's a pity the mods frown on profanity.  I really could have had a lot of fun writing that bit.)

Personally, I think Andrea cares more as to whether or not Rick can lead effectively.  Her aligning with Shane appeared to be more of aligning with his position on the idealism-pragmatism continuum than it was demonstrating loyalty to Shane personally.  She would be all over comics Rick by now.

Edited by Maka523, 16 March 2012 - 05:33 AM.

[Operational Security]

JackpottDubstep, on 16 March 2012 - 12:32 AM, said:

It took me a while to register due to the fact I'm an awful conservationist at the best of times and only just built up the courage to post something lol.

Don't be shy...we don't bite   all thoughts and opinions are welcome here.

[Barry Cade]

backwoodsroamer, on 16 March 2012 - 05:28 AM, said:

Rick will tell the truth. Shane wasn't winning a man of the year award with the group. He has no reason not to tell what happened.  Daryl and Glenn can both corroborate Shane was up to no good.

The only problem I see might see is  Andrea. Although I think she's come to see what a loose cannon Shane was.

The wild card in the deck is Lori. I can't tell how she really felt about Shane. I don't believe she was trying to convince Rick to kill Shane during their talk in the tent as so many here believe. Nor do I believe she was leading Shane on in the windmill scene. She has however, in my opinion, shown a great deal of emotional immaturity  and demonstrated the social skills of a rock.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. Lori is going to be the wildcard rather than Andrea. who's a pretty wised up woman when all's said and done and can probably appreciate what happened between her and Shane as being something quick and necessary, rather than the ephemeral quality of love and family that Shane held for Lori and Carl.

We've seen SPOILERS

Spoiler

That show her spurning Rick over something...
and perhaps that something was... Shane's death?

[Gerinako]

Adding to what someone else said earlier re: Daryl & Glenn

Spoiler

They can back up Ricks story. Twisted neck doesn't happen by accident, tracks going further than Shane said he went, blood on the tree at head height.

Not hard to piece together imo.

[Barry Cade]

Gerinako, on 16 March 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

Adding to what someone else said earlier re: Daryl & Glenn

Spoiler

They can back up Ricks story. Twisted neck doesn't happen by accident, tracks going further than Shane said he went, blood on the tree at head height.

Not hard to piece together imo.

100% agree. I also think that Rick is pretty truthful throughout, often even when the truth is going to hurt somewhat.

Normal person: "No no no, when I tear off this elastoplast it'll be fine..."

Rick Grimes: "Yes, it's going to hurt like buggery. But it'll be off at least."

[Ceepeebee]

OK, this is what I think will happen...for a number of reasons.

As many have said...Rick is truthful, but the truth comes second, even to Rick in terms of humility and ethics.  For him, that's the most important thing (or was...we are yet to see how Shane's death effects him)

I think that Rick will tell the group that the "horde" got him.  Nobody else was there other than him and Carl....I don't think he'll want people to know the truth for the following reasons:

• Loyalty - the manner of Shane's death and the grief and suffering shown by Rick in the immediate aftermath, for me, shows that Rick still loved this guy as his friend/brother in arms.  I don't think he'll want people to think of Shane as an evil guy.  For this reason he'll hide the truth. (perhaps not from Lori).
• Carl - I don't think he'll want people to know Carl shot him down.  He's going to try and spare Carl the sideways looks many would give if they knew that's what went down.
• Dale - Goes back to the heart of the matter: Rick vowed not to show the group was broken....if he goes down the truth track.....it'll all come out.

Daryl will back Rick up after they share a "moment" across the room during the big reveal, and Glen will fall into line too....but more unwillingly.

For me the first and second reason are the strongest.  I'd be shocked if he told the truth...it wouldn't make sense from a writing stand point, and for me, not from a character standpoint.  Now I'm not saying it'll die with him....he might well come out with it in Season 3, but not yet.

I'm quite frankly shocked I'm the only person who thinks that

[gracie lou]

I'd actually be kind of pissed if Rick didn't tell the truth. I really don't think we need any more secrets. He still hasn't even revealed the Jenner whisper.

[Nareen]

I don't think there's going to be enough time for anyone to worry about how Shane died.  

The group will see Rick and Carl fleeing the walker herd.  When and if Rick and Carl join them, a quick "Shane's dead" will suffice as they all try to survive.  Afterwards, likely there will be a number of dead to mourn and Shane's death will just be one of them.  

But I think Rick will tell the truth.  Everyone knew that Shane was losing it.

[DrAnguish]

Truth definitely, but he has to make sure to present the facts correctly:

* Shane admitted to Rick he let Randall (their fugitive) out then broke his neck and killed him in cold blood (and although Rick doesn't know it yet Glenn and Daryl can verify this)

* Shane admitted that he took Rick out into the woods so he could kill him, and that he was going to 'take' Ricks family as his own

* Shane held a gun at Rick threatening to shoot. Rick had to use police negotiation style tactics to get Shane to drop his guard for a second and 'get the drop' on him by stabbing him before he could be shot himself. As far as I'm concerned this was a fully justified self defense type killing, and even more than Rick knows since he hasn't met back up with Daryl and Glenn.

~~~

I do think the interesting dynamic will be this: If it was under a controlled circumstance (walk back to the house, everyone sit down, I have something to tell you), I think it would go over pretty well. However, seeing as how the zombie horde is descending there's not going to be time for all this so its possible Rick may never get the opportunity to reveal the truth to everyone before many meet their ultimate demise.

BTW, OP, good topic.

EDIT: As for the Carl killing Walker Shane: No reason to not let the group know this. The group size is dwindling and Carl needs to man up and show that he can protect himself. Especially considering that he always seems to find himself alone at night on the farm haha

Edited by DrAnguish, 16 March 2012 - 01:18 PM.