[blowe12]

So...just a random quick comment.

Spoiler

Can someone explain how at the midseason finale Rick's group decimates the group of walkers in the barn, and all of the shots and commotion does NOT cause walker attention?

We cannot know for sure, but my GUESS is that its a possibility that the army of walkers walking towards the farm was alerted by Rick gunshot while disarming Shane. Im thinking that alerted them... because that was the only sound in the nearby area, aside from Carl shooting zombie shane soon after.


So why does the midseason finale barn scene not bring walkers, but "shanes" accidental gunshot while rick stabs him brings a ton of walkers. Im confused. lol.

Edited by blowe12, 12 March 2012 - 05:44 PM.

[iMuzzaa]

blowe12, on 12 March 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

So...just a random quick comment.

Spoiler

Can someone explain how at the midseason finale Rick's group decimates the group of walkers in the barn, and all of the shots and commotion does NOT cause walker attention?

We cannot know for sure, but my GUESS is that its a possibility that the army of walkers walking towards the farm was alerted by Rick gunshot while disarming Shane. Im thinking that alerted them... because that was the only sound in the nearby area, aside from Carl shooting zombie shane soon after.


So why does the midseason finale barn scene not bring walkers, but "shanes" accidental gunshot while rick stabs him brings a ton of walkers. Im confused. lol.

Maybe there were little walkers in the area during barnmaggedon, and the sounds from those gunshots attracted the new walkers to the area. But as the sound from the barn had faded, the walkers couldn't pinpoint the location the sounds were coming from. That's just my theory.

[President Merle]

Glen Mazzara tweeted that around 10 days had passed between Barnmaggedon and episode 9/10/11 (I can't remember which one in particular). Over a period of 10 days, a collection of walkers may have just happened to build up/travel through the woods near to the farm.

[DominusPisces]

That was what I was thinking. I think the herd that walked past them on the highway might be the herd we see now. The barn massacre might have brought them int he general direction, and the various noises over time might been drawing them closer until that gun shot from shane and carl gave them the chance to fix on the farm.

[Mr.Misery]

iMuzzaa, on 12 March 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

Maybe there were little walkers in the area during barnmaggedon, and the sounds from those gunshots attracted the new walkers to the area. But as the sound from the barn had faded, the walkers couldn't pinpoint the location the sounds were coming from. That's just my theory.

I agree, I was going to post the same thing.

[TheAnarchrist]

blowe12, on 12 March 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

<br />So...just a random quick comment.<br /><br /><br />

Spoiler

Can someone explain how at the midseason finale Rick's group decimates the group of walkers in the barn, and all of the shots and commotion does NOT cause walker attention?<br /><br />We cannot know for sure, but my GUESS is that its a possibility that the army of walkers walking towards the farm was alerted by Rick gunshot while disarming Shane. Im thinking that alerted them... because that was the only sound in the nearby area, aside from Carl shooting zombie shane soon after. <br /><br /><br />So why does the midseason finale barn scene not bring walkers, but &quot;shanes&quot; accidental gunshot while rick stabs him brings a ton of walkers. Im confused. lol.

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Spoiler

Strong evidence suggests that the opening of the finale shows how that herd made its way to the farm... perhaps in flashback form.

[zedhatch]

Long time between the Barn and Shane and Rick, walkers do exaclty that, walk.  There were few in the area

Also Herchel mentioned the swamp (which was catching the walkers as shown in the mid season finale) was begining to dry up, thus there are less barriers for the walkers as well.

[Deadpelican]

The field walker in an earlier episode, the zombies in the barn, and  the opening scenes of episode 12 suggest that walkers have been scattered throughout the area for quite some time now. I think the area has always  been full of walkers, but for a while   they were very spread out. But those zombies that were once spread out have been slowly forming into a single herd. Just a theory.

Edited by Deadpelican, 12 March 2012 - 07:04 PM.

[tewkewl]

blowe12, on 12 March 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

So...just a random quick comment.

Spoiler

Can someone explain how at the midseason finale Rick's group decimates the group of walkers in the barn, and all of the shots and commotion does NOT cause walker attention?

We cannot know for sure, but my GUESS is that its a possibility that the army of walkers walking towards the farm was alerted by Rick gunshot while disarming Shane. Im thinking that alerted them... because that was the only sound in the nearby area, aside from Carl shooting zombie shane soon after.


So why does the midseason finale barn scene not bring walkers, but "shanes" accidental gunshot while rick stabs him brings a ton of walkers. Im confused. lol.

Wow. talk about sherlock holmes!  Well, when the barn walkers were shot, the walkers were not in the vicinity.

In fact, a lot of the walkers were caught in the mud of the swamp!  Now that winter is coming, the swamp has dried up and the walkers were able to enter the grove near the house.  They were close buy when they heard the gun shot.

This too is a plot hole because you can't really identify the origin a gunshot after just one shot.  the way it echos, all you know is the general vicinity/direction.  I'm surprised the zeds made a b-line for rick and carl.

[Cammi]

I think that the random noises from the farm simply gathered the herd closer and closer.

[ZombieSlayer]

if i remember correctly, after shane fires his gun missing rick there is a cut scene to the herd, several turn towards the gun fire...give them a few minutes to start walking over and now you have them all over the field

[Scummy]

A good assumption can be made from this evidence:

1. Shane and Friends' Barn Massacre = Herd is far away, hears shots, goes into woods near the farm.

2. For the next few days, there is silence on the farm = Herd loses their direction towards the farm, gets lost in woods.

3. Dale's Untimely Demise = Daryl shoots Dale, herd begins to pick up the trail again, which explains why they were so close to the farm in Better Angels.

4. The Icing on the Cake = Shane misfires after he is stabbed, followed by Carl finishing zombie Shane off. The walkers, having lost their direction again after the silence, are now close enough to the farm and go straight to the source. All hell breaks loose.

[Scummy]

Oh, and I also think that it's possible some of the zombies could've gotten stuck in the swamp around the farm, as I now believe that the zombie Carl pegged with rocks was a straggler from the herd. It would explain the herd's proximity well.

[MarieBonCoeur]

iMuzzaa, on 12 March 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

Maybe there were little walkers in the area during barnmaggedon, and the sounds from those gunshots attracted the new walkers to the area. But as the sound from the barn had faded, the walkers couldn't pinpoint the location the sounds were coming from. That's just my theory.

LMAO @ Barnmaggedon!

[Winter_Angel]

Scummy, on 14 March 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Oh, and I also think that it's possible some of the zombies could've gotten stuck in the swamp around the farm, as I now believe that the zombie Carl pegged with rocks was a straggler from the herd. It would explain the herd's proximity well.

I never thought of that. With that theory, it makes so much sense to me. Thanks for pointing it out to us.

[Ebusus]

The swap force field could have stopped a few but not a horde that would simply make a zombie bridge of bodies while trying to reach their meal.
Hordes, if you go by other sources or the comic itself, are simply moving masses who just happen to bump into something interesting. The movement of it is constant as one walker follows the one to his front. Thus it is hardly the case that this horde would have been approaching the farm day by day, stopping when not hearing anything and moving when they do.

Also, the world would be litteraly filled with such wandering hordes if you think a ZA would generate in the states alone hunderds of millions of undead.

[ImRickGrimesBitch]

There are just more walkers in closer proximity to the farm.
They've mentioned it before.
Food is scarce and the walkers are moving out of the city, turnings into herds.
They just killed a group in the field, that was eating a steer.
These are just herds of walkers searching for food.
Locating the farm as a result of gunshots from ten days ago is not likely.
Any walkers within earshot of the barn slaying would of been there much sooner, if they even walked the right direction.
Herds move. They are going to continue to move looking for food.
Any herds within earshot, from ten days ago would be long gone. IMO

[GunshipFirstStrike]

*merging threads*

So can you explain why there has been Zero walker activity on the farm (except for the occasional straggler) and now, suddenly, HUNDREDS of them invading straight up the driveway?

I'm not one of those who complains about every single thing regarding the show - it's the BEST show on TV.

But this bugs me somewhat.  Maybe you guys have some excellent theories!

Steve

Edited by gracie lou, 14 March 2012 - 09:30 PM.

[the Walkin Dude]

There were walkers already in the area, you had that mini swarm on the highway in S2 Ep1. The highway they were stuck on is walking distance to the farm especially through the woods. There were a ton of walkers at the school Shane and Otis went to for medical supplies. Not sure how many but there was a bunch in the town, when they left the bar with that Randall dude. With all the gunfire going on at the farm, the barn wipeout and such, shooting Dale and etc. I think they just started swarming and following the noise. Also as pickens got slim in bigger cities, Z's just started to wander and roam outside the city limts. Remember Z's may appear slow, and say they can only roam at 1 - 2 mph, they never get tired or need a rest and could cover 24 - 48 miles in a day.   JMHO

[Beforitstolate]

The only explanation is that "coincidentally" there was a herd of walkers hanging out in the tree line just before Shane's gun went off.

[BigEd]

Herschel said a dozen head of steer broke out at one point in time. I do not have a clue as to the layout of the fields, so I can imagine them causing some damage to fence lines beyond visual range of the farm. As the walkers hear more gunshots they can get a better read on which direction to head from the surrounding area deep in the woods.

I still imagine walkers acting like turkeys. Taking the path of least resistance, and heading down hill. If something gets in their way (like a fence) the follow it until they find an opening. If a walker see's something (people/animals) they will follow it regardless of terrain.

A smart move on Rick's part would be to lead the walkers away from the house to another field, then double back. It would buy some more time for Daryl and Glenn to get back to the house, and everyone inside to prepare more and ready to bugout if need be. Unfortunately Daryl and Glenn do not have a clue about the herd of walkers in the field heading towards Rick and Carl.

[lastman2012]

I don't know much about the typography in rural Georgia but it seemed odd that it was swampy ground that kept walkers away from the farm. Could Hershel's farm be surrounded by swamp?  Granted that walkers don't have the mind power to figure out how to get around marshy areas and would blunder into it and get mired down like we saw on the show. Blind luck alone would enable a few to get around it so walkers might show up periodically. I'd think that the occaisional appearance of a walker was implied even if it wasn't shown.

Hershel said that the swamp is drying up so maybe the ones in the swarm are in such a large group because they were accumulated in the muck and now they are able to get out.  Either they or there would be an area that is lousy with them. Walkers stumble in but they don't stumble out sort of thing.

  In the first show of season II they showed a swarming instinct of a sort.  Whatever the explanation of the appearance of this particular swarm, Rick's idea of using quiet means to deal with walkers instead of blasting away at them seemed a bit late,  On the bright side we have an exciting episode coming up. Too bad we will have to wait for X-number of months to see what happens after that.

[Sahmbie]

In assessing the various gun noises, I'm pretty sure that in the opening of this past episode when tdog, Andrea, darryl & Shane were out combing the perimeter, one of them fired a gun. I'll have to watch again to check.  Also think about door slams, yelling, that windmill, cows mooing, etc..  Does darryl ever fire up his motorcycle? That thing is loud, too.  I'm not saying that the walkers can hear all of that, but I think you also have to agree that it's not been quiet, either.  It is very coincidental, but it's possible.  In rewatching the preview, there are TONS of them!  Gonna be crazy!!!!

[braaaiiinnnsss]

I agree with Cammi and some of the other posters...
I think there were always zombies around the area (especially since its not THAT far from Atlanta).  They just didnt end up near the farm because there was the swamp which provided natural protection, the farm had a lot of land around it which allowed the noise to dissipate,  and little noise came from the farm in general.  
With Rick's group came a huge increase in noise.  Cars driving to and from the farm, shooting practice, barnyard massacre, more people making noise in the fields around the barn...All those noises probably attracted the zombies in the direction of the farm.  Once zombies start walking in one direction, they seem to just keep going (unless distracted by something else).  Then with the recent escaping cattle, the drying up of the swamps, the dale shooting, and the double shane shooting... those events/noises really brought all the zombies just right into the farm.  

What suprises me is how the walkers didnt end up on the farm sooner! And, how rick, shane, glenn, and daryl didnt notice a whole herd of zombies in the forest while searching for randall.  Thats the biggest plot hole i think.

PS - I just stumbled upon this site. It is so awesome!

Edited by braaaiiinnnsss, 15 March 2012 - 12:02 AM.

[gracie lou]

Sahmbie, on 14 March 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

In assessing the various gun noises, I'm pretty sure that in the opening of this past episode when tdog, Andrea, darryl & Shane were out combing the perimeter, one of them fired a gun. I'll have to watch again to check.  Also think about door slams, yelling, that windmill, cows mooing, etc..  Does darryl ever fire up his motorcycle? That thing is loud, too.  I'm not saying that the walkers can hear all of that, but I think you also have to agree that it's not been quiet, either.  It is very coincidental, but it's possible.  In rewatching the preview, there are TONS of them!  Gonna be crazy!!!!

They didn't use their guns - just farm tools, and the like. I think the pitchfork might have been my favorite kill, this season. I would have loved to play that zed!!