[gracie lou]

Jimmy, on 12 March 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

lol at people saying he wasn't pointing the gun at Rick. He was crying and confused, and his gut reaction was to draw his gun on his dad who clearly just killed Shane. I don't think he would of shot Rick. For those who are saying he wasn't aiming at Rick at all do you really believe Rick is too stupid to not see where the gun is pointed? He shot zombie Shane when he eventually saw him coming. I find it too hard believe that someone who never fired a gun before would not only get a perfect head shot but also not fire multiple times.

A little off topic, but did anyone else find it hilarious the way Zombie Shane was walking?

You have a point. I keep going back and forth on this.

Jon Bernthal did swing his arms a little too much for my taste.

[Frank_Discussion]

Carl had no intention of shooting his dad. I just re-watched the scene. Rick didn't know zombie Shane was right behind him so he thought Carl was pointing the gun at him. Having a gun pointed in your general direction would be a bit unsettling, even knowing the shooter is aiming at something else near you.

[backwoodsroamer]

Major Tom, on 12 March 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

BING FREAKING GO

Thank you!!

I second the good Major's BING FREAKING GO.

[Drunktard]

either way it was just stupid.
I wonder what was going on inside Carl's mind:
"I just caused one of my group members to die because I was wandering around all alone, I should take the opportunity to do that again considering its dark outside and there is an armed prisoner on the loose."  
And then when/if he saw Shane getting up: "Oh hey, its a walker, cool. Its going for my dad, I have plenty of time to tell my dad to watch out, or at least move away. But instead Ill just shoot him myself, even though my dad's head is standing in the way, what could possibly go wrong? After all I did train shooting for like a day or so!"

Seriously, that was just stupid. Even if he was aiming for Shane, he could of at least let his father know whats going on. That shot was WAY too risky.

And what the hell is up with them since the last 2 episodes? Shane was making so much noise how could Rick not hear that there was a walker approaching them?

[seanmcm157]

Drunktard, on 13 March 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

either way it was just stupid.
I wonder what was going on inside Carl's mind:
"I just caused one of my group members to die because I was wandering around all alone, I should take the opportunity to do that again considering its dark outside and there is an armed prisoner on the loose."  
And then when/if he saw Shane getting up: "Oh hey, its a walker, cool. Its going for my dad, I have plenty of time to tell my dad to watch out, or at least move away. But instead Ill just shoot him myself, even though my dad's head is standing in the way, what could possibly go wrong? After all I did train shooting for like a day or so!"

Seriously, that was just stupid. Even if he was aiming for Shane, he could of at least let his father know whats going on. That shot was WAY too risky.

And what the hell is up with them since the last 2 episodes? Shane was making so much noise how could Rick not hear that there was a walker approaching them?

Yea Shane was making a lot of noise don't no why Rick didn't hear. I think Carl was rather shocked at stuck in the moment to say anything and also he was on look out at the house maybe he saw Shane and Rick arguing and went to investigate, but still doesn't explain why he did not tell anyone.
From the location of the incident you could see the farm house n there was a scene were Carl was on look out, up stairs in the house so that must have been put in there for that reason.
Funny how in the comics Rick kills z Shane and Carl kills alive Shane but its the opposite in the show


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No way was Carl going to shoot his dad.
Carl was ready to shoot a walker, especially after not killing the one that was stuck in the mud, who subsequently killed Dale.
Carl knew something was very wrong and had his gun ready to shoot and boy that kid sure is a dead-eye shot. Has he even done any target practice!?

[backwoodsroamer]

Just watched the scene five times. At the point Carl raises his weapon it seems he is aiming behind Rick. Then he keeps moving slightly to the right. I don't know if it was a bad camera angle or a writer's trick that caused the confusion.

I think he was always aiming at Shane.  As for the shot, as I pointed out somewhere else, I've seen some novice shooters who were very good.  Point shooting is a natural gift, some people are born with it.  For the rest of us it's practice, practice, practice.

And of course there's always "getting lucky."

Edited by backwoodsroamer, 13 March 2012 - 02:14 AM.

[SimonSays]

after rewatching it several times, from the angles that we can see it does look like he's pointing the gun at his dad.  But then the next scene shows Shane getting up.
BUT it's possible that at the time Carl was taking aim at his dad, was actually at Shane because he saw him starting to get up.  From what we're given from the camera angles it's difficult to draw to any conclusion.

My question is how did Carl distinguish whether Shane getting up, was human or reanimated as a zombie.  From that distance it would be hard to tell whether to tell if something getting up is human or not, on top of the fact that he was already aiming at him as Shane was getting up.

and another thing, I wonder if Carl witness Rick kill Shane, or did he just walked up and saw Shane on the ground.  I think that would've made a huge difference to what he's thinking as he was pointing the gun to either Rick or Shane.

Edited by SimonSays, 13 March 2012 - 07:07 AM.

[Blazeffd]

After seeing the trailer for next weeks episode it moreso confirms my thought that he was not aiming to shoot his live dad.

[The Governor]

Haha, it must have been a well-worked scene to make us debate it.

Anyways, re-watch it y'all, you'll see the look of surprise in Carl's eyes immediately before he raises his handgun AND he also loks past Rick, his view definitely changes.

It's been made to look like he was pointing the gun at Rick because Z-Shane was directly behind him.

[Serenity@sea]

I have mixed feelings about this scene so I went back and re-watched it:
http://www.amctv.com...anes-last-stand


It does seem to me, that he raised the gun before Shane stood up, not just a camera angle. I'm going with Carl was very confused about what he just saw and was trying to prepare himself for anything. Especially since he was so unprepard in the last episode.


A little off topic, but it pertains to Carl having the run of the farm. I thought it was pretty funny on the The Talking Dead when someone asked if Carl obtained Harry Potters Cloak of Invisibility since he seems to go where ever he wants.

[mr teaspoon]

The Governor, on 13 March 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

Haha, it must have been a well-worked scene to make us debate it.

Actually the exact opposite.

[smashes007]

Hi, i'm new to forum but have been lurking for awhile.

I've watched that scene back to back too and i will also agree that the scene was kind off choppy. But there are still some thoughts that I have about it. I can only speak for myself, but it looks as though when carl initially points the gun that  i have to assume that shane had to already be at least 25% of the way off the ground.

BUT... there is surely anger in that child's face and then it turns into concentration almost. So I have to say that he was mad at his dad, but would never shoot him. Then when his face changes I can assume that he is just waiting for the opportune time to whack shane in the head...kill shot.

I more so feel as though that carl is trying to redeem himself to himself ( I know, sounds stupid) for being somewhat responsible for Dale's death. If he hadn't been trying to be so hard and coward out when he could've killed that walker, the walker wouldn't had got Dale and most importantly...herschel's cow. lol

[Faith]

That's what I'm going with, too.  Drawing because of the "appearance" and confusion of the situation, that set Carl up to take a shot at Shane.  Could be right, could be wrong but either way....................I KNOW one thing for certain.  Rick HAD to have felt the wind off that bullet as it zinged by lol

[TheUnicyclingDead]

SimonSays, on 13 March 2012 - 07:00 AM, said:

and another thing, I wonder if Carl witness Rick kill Shane, or did he just walked up and saw Shane on the ground.  I think that would've made a huge difference to what he's thinking as he was pointing the gun to either Rick or Shane.

I think you're right about that. At any rate, let's consider Carl's perspective assuming he walked up after Rick killed Shane (since we don't hear Carl until he speaks the first time, we can only assume he wasn't standing there like a quiet idiot watching his dad kill his "other dad"). All Carl can see is Rick's back, hunched over another body. Remember that walkers tend to eat people while they lie on the ground. Carl may be under the impression that his dad is a walker eating a body, and even when he gets up, Rick is walking very slowly, like a walker. And when you're scared stiff, you may not consider things such as "he's talking, and walkers don't talk." But once he sees Shane up and moving, he realizes the contrast, AKA, Dad is alive, Shane is not. Again, nerves or fright might delay his gunshot, or maybe he's reluctant to kill Shane, even if he's dead already. Remember, Morgan couldn't shoot his own dead wife, and Herschel kept his dead wife in a barn for months.

That's my interpretation of the scene anyway.

[Coarse Limely]

"Hey Dad! Shane's a zombie! Look out!" <-- And that's apparently harder than shooting a zombie in the head past your stumbling father.

Seriously, what is this kid's brain damage?

[gracie lou]

Coarse Limely, on 15 March 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

"Hey Dad! Shane's a zombie! Look out!" <-- And that's apparently harder than shooting a zombie in the head past your stumbling father.

Seriously, what is this kid's brain damage?

I think he was trying to prove himself, after his big mess-up at the swamp that led to Dale's death...

[backwoodsroamer]

Faith, on 15 March 2012 - 12:03 AM, said:

That's what I'm going with, too.  Drawing because of the "appearance" and confusion of the situation, that set Carl up to take a shot at Shane.  Could be right, could be wrong but either way....................I KNOW one thing for certain.  Rick HAD to have felt the wind off that bullet as it zinged by lol

They used to tell me, "Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades."

[Sungoddess]

Coarse Limely, on 15 March 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

"Hey Dad! Shane's a zombie! Look out!" <-- And that's apparently harder than shooting a zombie in the head past your stumbling father.

Seriously, what is this kid's brain damage?

Lol.

I haven't watched the episode again, but I would guess Carl was pretty confused and maybe thinking his dad was a walker at first until he confirmed that he wasn't.

[ZombieBobRoss]

I don't think so but, when Carl screamed "Dad!?" he didn't seem angry at Rick just more scared and confused. I think Carl is becoming more desensitized to people dying because he was eager for Randall's death. I think he knows that Rick knows best and wouldn't have killed his Shane without a reason. But all this happened so fast he probably was too scared to think.

[auximenes]

My take is that Carl was extremely confused and torn by seeing his dad kneeling on a dead Shane. While Rick is his was Shane has been doing plenty of fathering and there he is, dead by apparently Rick's hands. He raised the gun at Rick but I don't think he'd be able to shoot him. Then walker-Shane stood up and forced Carl's hand. He learned from his experience with Dale's walker and got the job done.

[babyMOMMAdrama]

auximenes, on 15 March 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

My take is that Carl was extremely confused and torn by seeing his dad kneeling on a dead Shane. While Rick is his was Shane has been doing plenty of fathering and there he is, dead by apparently Rick's hands. He raised the gun at Rick but I don't think he'd be able to shoot him. Then walker-Shane stood up and forced Carl's hand. He learned from his experience with Dale's walker and got the job done.

This. Well said.

[Quisp]

We have to remember that it was dark out there. From that distance, I would have to think Carl wasnt sure WHAT was going on, and was ready to draw the gun on just about anyone, especially two bloodied bodies. I would also think part of him was a bit in shock from realizing that Shane was now dead, not knowing exactly why it occurred.
If my bloodied father was hovering over a bloodied body in a zombie world, and started stumbling towards me, I might have to initially draw on him, until he started speaking in a coherent fashion. Again tho, it was dark and in the woods, so its feasible, Carl wasnt sure who or what was in front of him for a moment, until Rick started speaking.

[Coarse Limely]

Still, I'd like to think I'd have had the presence of mind at that age to warn my dad, rather than trying to shoot past him. Shouting at potential-zombie Rick wasn't going to make him attack any faster, after all.

[ZombieBobRoss]

If Carl told Rick that Shane was a zombie Rick would have killed the zombie himself, and the last couple of episodes have been Carl trying to prove himself, especially after Dale is dead by his doing. But the bullet was really close to Rick's head and he got Shane right on, looks like someone's been doing some target practice.