[Zombie in the Field]

DerpinaKitty, on 01 March 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

No gonna lie, I became a wreck, laid in bed moaning and groaning and whining, and my bf tried to make me feel better by coming up with alternatives that could explain the picture. I cried a lil bit. I was like it's not fair! He's not a bad person!

Wait, what?  Not to insult you, but are you crazy?  Looking past shane and his "interesting" decisions he has made in the show... how can you not think that his interactions with Rick and Lori have not made him a bad guy?  I can accept the Otis stuff, his barn antics, etc because I think he was doing it to benefit the group or more than himself.  But with Rick and Lori... he is selfishly attached to an extremely traumatic experience when he and Lori broke down and made a mistake.  To keep digging the knife into Lori about it as well as fighting with rick....? The attempted, drunken rape at the CDC seems to punch his ticket in my mind. Eh.


Out of curiosity, if Shane wasn't a handsome actor with pecs that could have their own zip codes... would you feel this way?

Edited by Zombie in the Field, 01 March 2012 - 02:07 PM.

[Babs Bladdyblah]

Zombie in the Field, on 01 March 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Wait, what?  Not to insult you, but are you crazy?  Looking past shane and his "interesting" decisions he has made in the show... how can you not think that his interactions with Rick and Lori have not made him a bad guy?  I can accept the Otis stuff, his barn antics, etc because I think he was doing it to benefit the group or more than himself.  But with Rick and Lori... he is selfishly attached to an extremely traumatic experience when he and Lori broke down and made a mistake.  To keep digging the knife into Lori about it as well as fighting with rick....? Eh.


Out of curiosity, if Shane wasn't a handsome actor with pecs that could have their own zip codes... would you feel this way?

Why, oh, why? *facepalm*  

Why is it not okay to think an actor is attractive and still thorougly enjoy his character as well? If Andrew Lincoln played Shane, and Jon Bernthal played Rick, I would still enjoy the character of Shane. Shane has brought the excitement this season so how could you not be upset to see him leave? Jon Bernthals hotness is a totally different issue. The writers have done an excellent job of making Shane's character "redeemable" up to now. They have teased us with every other episode being Shane doing something good, Shane doing something bad. Can't speak for the future. However, I imagine that if he does what they say he's gonna do, it will leave me feeling disgusted with Shane. But I'm still praying.

[Zombie in the Field]

Babs Bladdyblah, on 01 March 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

Why, oh, why? *facepalm*  

Why is it not okay to think an actor is attractive and still thorougly enjoy his character as well? If Andrew Lincoln played Shane, and Jon Bernthal played Rick, I would still enjoy the character of Shane. Shane has brought the excitement this season so how could you not be upset to see him leave? Jon Bernthals hotness is a totally different issue. The writers have done an excellent job of making Shane's character "redeemable" up to now. They have teased us with every other episode being Shane doing something good, Shane doing something bad. Can't speak for the future. However, I imagine that if he does what they say he's gonna do, it will leave me feeling disgusted with Shane. But I'm still praying.

Haha, I didn't say you can't enjoy his acting due to his "hotness".  What I asked was if he didn't have this hotness would there be nearly the amount of outrage.

She also said:

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I was like it's not fair! He's not a bad person!

I can't disagree with this enough.  His acting and all of that have been great, he is certainly a polarizing character which is a testament to Bernthal.  But debating about a character that exploited the apocalypse to have sex with his best friend's (and "brother's") wife is difficult to defend.  The attempted rape in the CDC is also something that I have issues with.  

If you say to me, "well, shane is misguided and confused" I could go along with that.  To blindly say "he's not a bad person" just seems far fetched and perhaps fan-girl-ish.

[Babs Bladdyblah]

I'm gonna stop right there, cause "The whole attempted rape debate" WILL get out of hand, and I'm surely not gonna put that on Gracie and the gang, as I imagine they've been busy enough the past few days.

I will say that I recognize some of his "failures". However, I guess DK should speak for herself.

[TheAnarchrist]

Love me some Shane (no homo) but I can accept his death. In Kirkman We Trust! He's been quoted as saying something to the effect of, "With the changes in Rick's character and the new stuff that's about to go down, Shane's death will quickly become a non-point.". I've gone through all my stages of denial, anger, guilt, depression, and acceptance. I am at peace.

[DerpinaKitty]

Zombie in the Field, on 01 March 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Wait, what?  Not to insult you, but are you crazy?  Looking past shane and his "interesting" decisions he has made in the show... how can you not think that his interactions with Rick and Lori have not made him a bad guy?  I can accept the Otis stuff, his barn antics, etc because I think he was doing it to benefit the group or more than himself.  But with Rick and Lori... he is selfishly attached to an extremely traumatic experience when he and Lori broke down and made a mistake.  To keep digging the knife into Lori about it as well as fighting with rick....? The attempted, drunken rape at the CDC seems to punch his ticket in my mind. Eh.


Out of curiosity, if Shane wasn't a handsome actor with pecs that could have their own zip codes... would you feel this way?

lol it's a joke, bro.
I think he's an interesting character. I think the Rick and Lori thing might be partially due to "cabin fever" cause being around them all the time. Yes he could have left, and he wanted to, but he didn't.
I sincerely do not think he's a bad person. He's got a lot of shit going on, just like everyone else. No his "drunken attempted rape", is not acceptable. But, he was severely intoxicated. People aren't in their right minds when they're severely intoxicated. Would he have done that sober? No.
Anyway, honestly, my own boyfriend is better looking that him in my opinion. I don't need a guy that has six pack abs and all that to be satisfied. It's more his personality and the type of person he is that makes me sad to see him go.

Edited by DerpinaKitty, 01 March 2012 - 06:38 PM.

[DingDong09]

Zombie in the Field, on 01 March 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Wait, what?  Not to insult you, but are you crazy?  Looking past shane and his "interesting" decisions he has made in the show... how can you not think that his interactions with Rick and Lori have not made him a bad guy?  I can accept the Otis stuff, his barn antics, etc because I think he was doing it to benefit the group or more than himself.  But with Rick and Lori... he is selfishly attached to an extremely traumatic experience when he and Lori broke down and made a mistake.  To keep digging the knife into Lori about it as well as fighting with rick....? The attempted, drunken rape at the CDC seems to punch his ticket in my mind. Eh.


Out of curiosity, if Shane wasn't a handsome actor with pecs that could have their own zip codes... would you feel this way?

Not to be sexist but Shane's crap over a bitch isn't an issue of being a bad guy but an issue that nearly all people have. It's a character flaw, not the sign of a bad person.

[Zombie in the Field]

DingDong09, on 01 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Not to be sexist but Shane's crap over a bitch isn't an issue of being a bad guy but an issue that nearly all people have. It's a character flaw, not the sign of a bad person.

Let me clarify: I am not saying because Shane pines for Lori he is a bad guy.  All of the characters are human and have human desires, he isn't at fault for feeling a desire for her.

What I think makes Shane a bad guy is that he exploited and acted upon an unthinkable situation (admitted it was, as did Lori) and refused to drop it.  His attachment to an artificial feeling (meaning: rick dead, world ending, etc) has driven him to kill Otis (although I don't have much of a problem with that choice), point guns at rick, threaten people, fight and almost kill rick (how many regular humans can survive a motorcycle falling on them by the way haha) and not to mention his affinity for a lil' attempted rape.  

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Let's just see how his little trip into the woods with rick looking for Randall turns out. I am sure he will be respectful of Rick, his family, and their desire to not have him interact. Right?

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But, he was severely intoxicated. People aren't in their right minds  when they're severely intoxicated. Would he have done that sober? No.

Holy hell, that might be the worst defense of that situation I have ever heard.  Because he drank himself into his aggressive, drunken stupor ...  it is defensible?  I don't know how many people would accept an excuse like that.  

"Sorry honey, I was drunk when I decided to take advantage of her! But hey, blame it on the a-a-a-aaalchol! The fact that I am a man and she is a smaller, weaker woman and we were in a locked room in which I controlled the doorway (by ourselves) is not important! Blame the Wine! Oh these scratches? These were the understanding, calm, and loving marks of respectful rejection"

I still don't understand the Shane love.

Edited by Zombie in the Field, 01 March 2012 - 07:12 PM.

[TheAnarchrist]

Zombie in the Field, on 01 March 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

<br />Let me clarify: I am not saying because Shane pines for Lori he is a bad guy.  All of the characters are human and have human desires, he isn't at fault for feeling a desire for her.<br /><br />What I think makes Shane a bad guy is that he exploited and acted upon an unthinkable situation (admitted it was, as did Lori) and refused to drop it.  His attachment to an artificial feeling (meaning: rick dead, world ending, etc) has driven him to kill Otis (although I don't have much of a problem with that choice), point guns at rick, threaten people, fight and almost kill rick (how many regular humans can survive a motorcycle falling on them by the way haha) and not to mention his affinity for a lil' attempted rape.  <br /><br />

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Let's just see how his little trip into the woods with rick looking for Randall turns out. I am sure he will be respectful of Rick, his family, and their desire to not have him interact. Right?

<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Holy hell, that might be the worst defense of that situation I have ever heard.  Because he drank himself into his aggressive, drunken stupor ...  it is defensible?  I don't know how many people would accept an excuse like that.  <br /><br /><blockquote><i>&quot;Sorry honey, I was drunk when I decided to take advantage of her! But hey, blame it on the a-a-a-aaalchol! The fact that I am a man and she is a smaller, weaker woman and we were in a locked room in which I controlled the doorway (by ourselves) is not important! Blame the Wine! Oh these <b>scratches</b>? These were the understanding, calm, and loving marks of respectful rejection&quot;</i><br /></blockquote><br />I still don't understand the Shane love.<br />

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I'm a Shane fan... but this post was BOSS! I agree with all of it except that I enjoy Shane because of the same reasons others may dislike him. He's a hot mess and it's fun to watch.
Anyone else wonder why no one called Shane out more aggressively about his obvious fingernail scratches at the CDC. Especially when scratches are believed to be a cause for walker..ness...osity??? I, for one, wouldn't buy someone scratching themselves like that in their sleep. Just sayin'. Not an attempt to derail an awesome thread.

[DerpinaKitty]

Zombie in the Field, on 01 March 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Let me clarify: I am not saying because Shane pines for Lori he is a bad guy.  All of the characters are human and have human desires, he isn't at fault for feeling a desire for her.

What I think makes Shane a bad guy is that he exploited and acted upon an unthinkable situation (admitted it was, as did Lori) and refused to drop it.  His attachment to an artificial feeling (meaning: rick dead, world ending, etc) has driven him to kill Otis (although I don't have much of a problem with that choice), point guns at rick, threaten people, fight and almost kill rick (how many regular humans can survive a motorcycle falling on them by the way haha) and not to mention his affinity for a lil' attempted rape.  

Spoiler

Let's just see how his little trip into the woods with rick looking for Randall turns out. I am sure he will be respectful of Rick, his family, and their desire to not have him interact. Right?

Holy hell, that might be the worst defense of that situation I have ever heard.  Because he drank himself into his aggressive, drunken stupor ...  it is defensible?  I don't know how many people would accept an excuse like that.  

"Sorry honey, I was drunk when I decided to take advantage of her! But hey, blame it on the a-a-a-aaalchol! The fact that I am a man and she is a smaller, weaker woman and we were in a locked room in which I controlled the doorway (by ourselves) is not important! Blame the Wine! Oh these scratches? These were the understanding, calm, and loving marks of respectful rejection"

I still don't understand the Shane love.

lol I wasn't defending him. I said he did it because he was drunk. I also never said I would accept it as an excuse. All I said was that was why it occurred.
And since when do men understand anything a female says or does?

[jenna2008]

TheLibrarian, on 29 February 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

If there were a separate sub-forum strictly for spoilers then this place would be much more organized. Not to mention it would keep the official sneak peaks separate from the "un-official" sneak peaks, pictures and spoilers indefinitely, people would be much more adverse to complain and significantly less justified to be offended at being spoiled.

This ^^^ I think that's a great idea for both the people who love spoilers (they get to find out all the juicy tidbits) but it's also great for the people who don't want to be spoiled cuz all spoilers would be discussed there.

[greatbignow]

Ryan_Dead, on 29 February 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

There are so many threads on this site its mad

I suppose J. could come back...as a walker!  Sure, she was supposed to have been blown to bits, but there could have been a concrete slab or another object which fell on her and protected her body from the overall blast.  Ha!

[TheLibrarian]

Confirmation regarding Shane from AMC shop.

Spoiler

This special limited edition Blu-Ray includes all 13 episodes on 4 discs, including bonus features such as: the making of the barn, an extended zombie gut scene, Shane's last episode, full Comic Con coverage with panel, comic book vs episode comparison, and more!

http://shop.amctv.co...-ray-4-disc-set

I guess this adds weight to those photos after all.

[laura2]

Seriously, even though we already know, what a dumb move on their part! First they have production members leaking stuff left and right, then they leak one of the biggest spoilers on their own website!

[RoxasTheNobody93]

Spoiler

Shane's already been told by rick to calm his shit so I'm guessing he arks up again and BAM. Zombie Shane is born!

[TheLibrarian]

Here's a description of how it goes down.

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[](/s "Regarding Shane's death: "Lori starts a dramatic war in Episode 2.09 where she tries to convince Rick to kill Shane. Rick thinks about it but shrugs it off. After Lori sees that Rick is still not acting, she has a talk with Shane and puts into his head that if Rick wasn't around they would still be together. This makes Shane change AGAIN, (he had finally made peace and Lori fucks him up again). Lori warns Rick that Shane will probably attempt to kill him, Rick denies it and says they've made peace. Anyway Shane decides to kill Rick and lures him into the forest chasing after Randall. Of course Rick isn't stupid he realizes nothing is adding up and tries to give Shane a chance to abandon his plans. Believe it or not Rick loves Shane like a brother, anyway he finally calls Shane on it and says he knows what he's trying to do.So it starts with Rick standing off with Shane, they're kinda on plain land I guess outside the barn (I mean far from it, like just outside a forest, and it's moonlight). Rick says something like "so this is where you planned to do it".Shane says something I can't quite make out, I think he was acting oblivious and playing stupid because Rick says something like "at least have the balls to call this what it is....murder" so I can assume that Shane was playing dumb.Rick circles Shane talking about how you think if you go back to the farm alone they'll believe whatever fucking story you cooked up (not exact quote, cept the fucking part) and Shane tells him to hush up and the group will believe him.Rick doesn't buy a word that Shane says.Shane finally admits "it ain't goin to be easy, but Lori and Carl will get over you" and you can tell by the look on Rick's face that he's starting to lose his patience. Shane adds "they done it before, they just gone have to" and pulls out his gun to aim at Rick's face. Rick asks why? Why now? He then says "I thought we tried to work this out". Shane laughs and says "we tried to kill each other!" (referring to the fight in 18 Miles Out) with his gun still on Rick.Shane continues to mock by saying "ya think we're just gonna forget about it and run into the sunset together?" Rick asks him "are you gonna kill me in cold blood? Screw my wife? Have my children... my children! Call you daddy? Is that what you want?"He says something else that I couldn't make out, and Shane replies something like asking him what does he know what to live for or something? I'm sorry I couldn't hear it though I could be wrong.Shane talks about how Rick has no idea what he had to, and still has to live with. Shane dares Rick to raise his gun, but Rick refuses. Shane taunts him by saying "what happened Rick, I thought you said you weren't the good guy anymore?" He continues to mock, saying that he's a better father than Rick and that he's better for Lori than Rick because he's a better man than Rick and he'll actually fight for Lori (the stuff that Rick basically told him in '18 Miles Out' Shane is twisting his words against him, and this pisses off Rick.)Shane says that Rick came back and destroyed everything. Pause. He continues by saying Rick has a broken wife and a weak boy. He also adds that Rick doesn't even know how to fix it, he then pushes his gun closer to Rick and tells him to raise his gun.Rick asks something like you gonna shoot an unarmed man? Pause. Rick slowly goes for his gun and then pulls it out as if to drop it. Shane keeps his gun trained Rick. Rick tries to negotiate saying "there's a way back from this, nothing happened here, we gonna lay down our guns and walk back to the farm."Shane looks conflicted, not knowing that Rick has drawn his knife (the one you see him use in '18 Miles Out'), finally when Shane doesn't expect it, Rick lunges his knife into Shane's chest.Even worse HERE'S A BIG SPOILER.SHANE COMES BACK TO LIFE AS A ZOMBIE! - Carl shoots him, the whole thing is pretty fucked up but I won't give too much away .All this causes Rick to slowly change into a 'Shane' if you will. Believe me the show is going somewhere so crazy that Shane's death will not even be a burden, he served his purpose by helping Rick's character transform.''")

[RegushRacing]

TheLibrarian, on 02 March 2012 - 02:48 AM, said:

Here's a description of how it goes down.

Spoiler

[](/s "Regarding Shane's death: "Lori starts a dramatic war in Episode 2.09 where she tries to convince Rick to kill Shane. Rick thinks about it but shrugs it off. After Lori sees that Rick is still not acting, she has a talk with Shane and puts into his head that if Rick wasn't around they would still be together. This makes Shane change AGAIN, (he had finally made peace and Lori fucks him up again). Lori warns Rick that Shane will probably attempt to kill him, Rick denies it and says they've made peace. Anyway Shane decides to kill Rick and lures him into the forest chasing after Randall. Of course Rick isn't stupid he realizes nothing is adding up and tries to give Shane a chance to abandon his plans. Believe it or not Rick loves Shane like a brother, anyway he finally calls Shane on it and says he knows what he's trying to do.So it starts with Rick standing off with Shane, they're kinda on plain land I guess outside the barn (I mean far from it, like just outside a forest, and it's moonlight). Rick says something like "so this is where you planned to do it".Shane says something I can't quite make out, I think he was acting oblivious and playing stupid because Rick says something like "at least have the balls to call this what it is....murder" so I can assume that Shane was playing dumb.Rick circles Shane talking about how you think if you go back to the farm alone they'll believe whatever fucking story you cooked up (not exact quote, cept the fucking part) and Shane tells him to hush up and the group will believe him.Rick doesn't buy a word that Shane says.Shane finally admits "it ain't goin to be easy, but Lori and Carl will get over you" and you can tell by the look on Rick's face that he's starting to lose his patience. Shane adds "they done it before, they just gone have to" and pulls out his gun to aim at Rick's face. Rick asks why? Why now? He then says "I thought we tried to work this out". Shane laughs and says "we tried to kill each other!" (referring to the fight in 18 Miles Out) with his gun still on Rick.Shane continues to mock by saying "ya think we're just gonna forget about it and run into the sunset together?" Rick asks him "are you gonna kill me in cold blood? Screw my wife? Have my children... my children! Call you daddy? Is that what you want?"He says something else that I couldn't make out, and Shane replies something like asking him what does he know what to live for or something? I'm sorry I couldn't hear it though I could be wrong.Shane talks about how Rick has no idea what he had to, and still has to live with. Shane dares Rick to raise his gun, but Rick refuses. Shane taunts him by saying "what happened Rick, I thought you said you weren't the good guy anymore?" He continues to mock, saying that he's a better father than Rick and that he's better for Lori than Rick because he's a better man than Rick and he'll actually fight for Lori (the stuff that Rick basically told him in '18 Miles Out' Shane is twisting his words against him, and this pisses off Rick.)Shane says that Rick came back and destroyed everything. Pause. He continues by saying Rick has a broken wife and a weak boy. He also adds that Rick doesn't even know how to fix it, he then pushes his gun closer to Rick and tells him to raise his gun.Rick asks something like you gonna shoot an unarmed man? Pause. Rick slowly goes for his gun and then pulls it out as if to drop it. Shane keeps his gun trained Rick. Rick tries to negotiate saying "there's a way back from this, nothing happened here, we gonna lay down our guns and walk back to the farm."Shane looks conflicted, not knowing that Rick has drawn his knife (the one you see him use in '18 Miles Out'), finally when Shane doesn't expect it, Rick lunges his knife into Shane's chest.Even worse HERE'S A BIG SPOILER.SHANE COMES BACK TO LIFE AS A ZOMBIE! - Carl shoots him, the whole thing is pretty fucked up but I won't give too much away .All this causes Rick to slowly change into a 'Shane' if you will. Believe me the show is going somewhere so crazy that Shane's death will not even be a burden, he served his purpose by helping Rick's character transform.''")

So I'm hoping then

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Shane dies in episode 12 at the very end(like maybe they show Rick stab Shane and then end) and then beginning of episode 13 we see the end result and a (likely) very distraut Rick trying to deal with the killing, until zombie Shane comes back to kill them all.

[Shane's love]

Zombie in the Field, on 01 March 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Wait, what?  Not to insult you, but are you crazy?  Looking past shane and his "interesting" decisions he has made in the show... how can you not think that his interactions with Rick and Lori have not made him a bad guy?  I can accept the Otis stuff, his barn antics, etc because I think he was doing it to benefit the group or more than himself.  But with Rick and Lori... he is selfishly attached to an extremely traumatic experience when he and Lori broke down and made a mistake.  To keep digging the knife into Lori about it as well as fighting with rick....? The attempted, drunken rape at the CDC seems to punch his ticket in my mind. Eh.


Out of curiosity, if Shane wasn't a handsome actor with pecs that could have their own zip codes... would you feel this way?

I would. Shane had protected Lori and Carl when Rick was gone. Rick came back there relationship was over. Fair enough. Shane found out through Rick that Lori was pregnant. He believe the baby is his. Lori tells him it's Rick.  Lori have a right to want Shane out of her life, but if the baby is his,and it could very well be, than he has a right to be a part of the child's life.  I do not fault Lori for wanting Shane out of her life, but it's how she does it that bothers me. She could have given him hope and a reason for living by at least letting him in the child's life if it his child, even if they will never be together again, if the child is his . Which I believe it is, considering how long Rick been in a coma,and how she is not even starting to show.  I also think that she should not have talk him into staying when he was thinking about leaving. By doing that it confuse him,and led him on to think she still care about him,and still have chance. Why did Lori want Shane to stay anyway??   Lori seem like the type of person who  wants her cake and to eat it too.

Edited by Shane's love, 02 March 2012 - 01:13 PM.

[Zombie in the Field]

Shane, on 02 March 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

I would. Shane had protected Lori and Carl when Rick was gone. Rick came back there relationship was over. Fair enough. Shane found out through Rick that Lori was pregnant. He believe the baby is his. Lori tells him it's Rick.  Lori have a right to want Shane out of her life, but if the baby is his,and it could very well be, than he has a right to be a part of the child's life.  I do not fault Lori for wanting Shane out of her life, but it's how she does it that bothers me. She could have given him hope and a reason for living by at least letting him in the child's life if it his child, even if they will never be together again, if the child is his . Which I believe it is, considering how long Rick been in a coma,and how she is not even starting to show.  I also think that she should not have talk him into staying when he was thinking about leaving. By doing that it confuse him,and led him on to think she still care about him,and still have chance. Why did Lori want Shane to stay anyway??   Lori seem like the type of person who  wants her cake and to eat it too.

Good points, but I think you might have misunderstood where I was trying to take my argument.  I was mostly kidding about the muscular chest by the way, tee hee.

I never have said that Shane has absolutely no reason to have these sorts of feelings and that every bit of this was wrong.  What I have said is that his way of thinking and carrying out his plans have been pretty rough.  And again, I agree with almost everything you say, but I still think that some of what Shane has done is inexcusable.

Oh and by the way, I think Lori is a manipulative harlot who was quick to forget Rick and got the ball rolling here.  I would much rather see Lori be killed than Shane, haha!

Edited by Zombie in the Field, 02 March 2012 - 02:21 PM.

[WinnebagoOne]

Am I wrong in assuming

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That Rick doesnt know that all dead return as walkers unless brain is destoyed? In the spoiler description of a zombified Shane, Carl is the one that kills him. I wonder what the circumstances are sorrounding that, like why doesnt Rick shoot walker Shane instead of Carl? Now Im thinking that maybe that rumors of Shane killing Lori are true.

and did I post this in the right topic?

[gracie lou]

WinnebagoOne, on 02 March 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

Am I wrong in assuming

Spoiler

That Rick doesnt know that all dead return as walkers unless brain is destoyed? In the spoiler description of a zombified Shane, Carl is the one that kills him. I wonder what the circumstances are sorrounding that, like why doesnt Rick shoot walker Shane instead of Carl? Now Im thinking that maybe that rumors of Shane killing Lori are true.

and did I post this in the right topic?

Yes, you did.

Maybe he was too distraught to be thinking clearly.

[Nate]

if these spoilers are true, Lori is an absolute b**ch. if these are true and the issue really was resolved by that fight in S2E10.
so Shane's biggest flaw, the obsession with Lori, was something he finally worked out, and rick wasn't going to kill Shane. until Lori found out and didn't like that outcome. so she had to go and tall Shane the worst thing she possible could? tell him he still had a shot if Rick was dead? W.T.F. this is murder, pure manipulative murder. she set him up to do something to get himself killed. this time she really did pit them off against each other.  she didn't like how Rick ans Shane resolved that issue in an unfavorable way towards her and now she want to make sure the job is done. she need to die a horrible death of getting torn apart slowly by walkers.

[TheLibrarian]

Possible synopsis SPOILERS

Episode 12 "Better Angels"

Episode begins with Dale's funeral. Rick makes a speech, intercut with Andrea, Daryl, Shane and T-Dog killing some random walkers in a field. Funeral ends with Rick saying that the group has to set aside their differences and pull together in honor of Dale. Cue theme music.

Hershel finally allows everybody to move into the house. Rick decides to let Randall loose instead of killing him, just like they had originally planned. Shane gets all mad at the idea, but Rick says it's his decision and Shane needs to shut up. Later, Carl reveals to Shane that he done fucked up and stole Daryl's gun as well as released that walker from the swamp, but asks him not to tell anyone. While Shane is building a lookout platform, Lori comes to talk to him. She thanks him for everything he had done (saving them from Atlanta, etc.) and says she's truly sorry for all the crap that happened between them.

Shane asks Rick that he and Daryl be allowed to go dump Randall, but Rick refuses. Shane then tells Rick about what Carl did and gives him Daryl's gun. Rick has a talk with his son and basically tells him to grow up. Meanwhile, Shane sneaks into the shed and releases Randall. They secretly leave the farm and take off into the woods together. Shane tells the kid that he wants to join their group and asks Randall where it is. He tells Shane that they have a camp on a highway five miles away. Shane then proceeds to snap his neck. (CONT'D)

CONT'D) The group discovers that Randall is gone and gets all panicked. Suddenly, a bloody Shane appears. He says that Randall knocked him out and escaped (he actually smashed his head into a tree after killing Randall) and that he tried to run after him. Two pairs head out to look for Randall: Glenn & Daryl and Rick & Shane. Daryl uses his epic tracking skills to deduce that Randall and Shane actually walked together and had a scuffle near the tree with Shane's blood on it. Then, a zombie-Randall appears. Daryl misses with his crossbow, there's a fight, Glenn takes out Randall. Daryl uses his epic Sherlock skills to deduce that Randall was killed by a broken neck and zombified in spite of having no bite marks.

Shane and Rick meanwhile arrive on a field. Rick tells Shane that he knows Shane plans to kill him there. Shane plans to pin the murder on Randall and says he's better for Lori and that Rick has no idea how to fix the situation. Shane wants Rick to raise his gun so he wouldn't have to kill an unarmed man. Rick talks him out of the murder, telling him that there's still a way out of it. As Shane is lowering his gun, Rick stabs him in the chest, killing him. Carl appears, having left the farm looking for them, and sees Shane rising from the dead while Rick's back is turned. He shoots Shane in the head, attracting a nearby group of walkers. Rick and Carl stand over Shane's corpse, oblivious to the huge horde of walkers approaching the farm from the woods. End episode.

4chan..

btw, probably true.

Edited by TheLibrarian, 05 March 2012 - 03:35 PM.

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TheLibrarian, on 05 March 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

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Episode 12 "Better Angels"

Episode begins with Dale's funeral. Rick makes a speech, intercut with Andrea, Daryl, Shane and T-Dog killing some random walkers in a field. Funeral ends with Rick saying that the group has to set aside their differences and pull together in honor of Dale. Cue theme music.

Hershel finally allows everybody to move into the house. Rick decides to let Randall loose instead of killing him, just like they had originally planned. Shane gets all mad at the idea, but Rick says it's his decision and Shane needs to shut up. Later, Carl reveals to Shane that he done fucked up and stole Daryl's gun as well as released that walker from the swamp, but asks him not to tell anyone. While Shane is building a lookout platform, Lori comes to talk to him. She thanks him for everything he had done (saving them from Atlanta, etc.) and says she's truly sorry for all the crap that happened between them.

Shane asks Rick that he and Daryl be allowed to go dump Randall, but Rick refuses. Shane then tells Rick about what Carl did and gives him Daryl's gun. Rick has a talk with his son and basically tells him to grow up. Meanwhile, Shane sneaks into the shed and releases Randall. They secretly leave the farm and take off into the woods together. Shane tells the kid that he wants to join their group and asks Randall where it is. He tells Shane that they have a camp on a highway five miles away. Shane then proceeds to snap his neck. (CONT'D)

CONT'D) The group discovers that Randall is gone and gets all panicked. Suddenly, a bloody Shane appears. He says that Randall knocked him out and escaped (he actually smashed his head into a tree after killing Randall) and that he tried to run after him. Two pairs head out to look for Randall: Glenn & Daryl and Rick & Shane. Daryl uses his epic tracking skills to deduce that Randall and Shane actually walked together and had a scuffle near the tree with Shane's blood on it. Then, a zombie-Randall appears. Daryl misses with his crossbow, there's a fight, Glenn takes out Randall. Daryl uses his epic Sherlock skills to deduce that Randall was killed by a broken neck and zombified in spite of having no bite marks.

Shane and Rick meanwhile arrive on a field. Rick tells Shane that he knows Shane plans to kill him there. Shane plans to pin the murder on Randall and says he's better for Lori and that Rick has no idea how to fix the situation. Shane wants Rick to raise his gun so he wouldn't have to kill an unarmed man. Rick talks him out of the murder, telling him that there's still a way out of it. As Shane is lowering his gun, Rick stabs him in the chest, killing him. Carl appears, having left the farm looking for them, and sees Shane rising from the dead while Rick's back is turned. He shoots Shane in the head, attracting a nearby group of walkers. Rick and Carl stand over Shane's corpse, oblivious to the huge horde of walkers approaching the farm from the woods. End episode.

4chan..

btw, probably true.

I knew about the Shane part, but zombie Randall? phwoarr, obviously Daryl and Glenn are going to question Rick about why Randall came back as a zombie even though he had no bite marks, leading to Rick telling everybody the Whisper (everybody becomes a walker when you die, unless you're shot in the head)

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I like how in the description of the Rick-Shane standoff scene, you say "I don't wanna give too much away" when you've already given it all away.