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To be honest if it revealed that everybody is already infected, I'd be really discouraged. The point for me is that these clusters of people are holding on to hope for their personal survival which is symbolic of the survival of the human race. I invest in a desire for them to survive because of that slim glimmer of hope. If everyone eventually turns into a zombie, then there effectively is no hope for the human race and as Jenner said, they might as well all die... Sonner rather than latter eh?

What would be the point of having a babies or securing a community when it's just a matter of time before the human race is extinct? I've always loved watching zombie movies because I want to see how people will survive and whether they will live to see the end of the apocalypse.

The fact that they are all infected is the one factor that put me off the comics and I sure hope they dont apply this theory here or it spoil the whole show for me and leave me with no hope that anyone of them will eventually survive.


Ive seen other zombie movies which showed that at some stage the infection was contained and I would like to think that at the end of maybe season 9 and 10 (if it goes that far), there will be a cure and the human race will be alright.


Wonder if anyone else feels this way!
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What would be the point of having a babies or securing a community when it's just a matter of time before the human race is extinct? I've always loved watching zombie movies because I want to see how people will survive and whether they will live to see the end of the apocalypse.


I guess it's pretty much inferred that if everyone's infected their offspring are too, but it hasn't been validated, has it? I guess they might get into that kind of stuff later on down the road, but I honestly don't see the show making it that far. It's a stretch, but maybe that's the point of the whole Lori/Shane/Rick baby-daddy thing. Probably not, but an interesting theory.
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Yes, the outlook is a bit more bleak *if* everyone is infected. The zombie outbreak would be harder to contain, but I don't think that means that there would be no hope for a cure, eventually.
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If everyone is infected, point of the baby daddy love triangle is this (pure speculation, btw, no need to spoiler tag):

• Rick is immune - thus why/how he survived in hospital. Not only will he not turn Z when he dies, he won't/can't die from internal/viral type causes (still susceptible to blunt force or bleeding out causes of death, especially to the brain - just like Zeds - but disease, starvation etc have no effect) ... this is the "side effect" , if you will, of the Z plague - immortality

• At some point Shane dies and turns Z like everyone else

• Baby is born and miraculously lives despite lack of proper breast milk or baby formula (Lori DIES - and of course turns Z - heart wrenching scene when Rick or CARL has to shoot Lori Z)

• at some point baby/boy is killed by some physical trauma - gunshot to the abdomen like big brother Carl maybe - but with no doc around, bleeds out. The group waits for "the turn" but agrees Rick will be allowed to wait until HE is ready to put toddler Z down. Rick keeos vigil over baby/toddlers lil body for months, but baby never turns.

• This sparks Rick/group into realization that he not only is immortal but can impart this immortality to his offspring.

• Thus setting up the post-AMC continuation of The Walking Dead as a late night soft core porn series on Cinemax where Rick and Carl (now a strapping young lad of 23) "breed" with as many ladies as possible. Rich, fat, and lazy from all the money he makes off TWD merchandise, Andrew Lincoln drops the phony Merican accent and resorts to his native Brit voice as he becomes a real life modern day Hugh Hefner. In a bid to bring in more ladies, Jon Bernthal returns as a villainous zombie trying to repopulate the earth with Zeds by banging as much tail as he can too. George Takai joins the cast to win over the gay viewers. And weekly guest staring appearances by Maxims Hot 100 ladies keeps the 18-45 male audience glued to their TV sets every Friday Night at 1 am
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Don't loose hope. If everyone is infected, it is just a new reality people will learn to live with. I don't think we'll see people spontaniously turn into zombies. They have to die. However, take Lori's car wreck. If she had died in the wreck, she could have turned into a zombie.

The survivors have to decide on new death rituals. Maybe they let people die their natural death. But, once they are dead an axe to the head will stop the infection in its tracks.
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If everyone is infected, point of the baby daddy love triangle is this (pure speculation, btw, no need to spoiler tag):

• Rick is immune - thus why/how he survived in hospital. Not only will he not turn Z when he dies, he won't/can't die from internal/viral type causes (still susceptible to blunt force or bleeding out causes of death, especially to the brain - just like Zeds - but disease, starvation etc have no effect) ... this is the "side effect" , if you will, of the Z plague - immortality

• At some point Shane dies and turns Z like everyone else

• Baby is born and miraculously lives despite lack of proper breast milk or baby formula (Lori DIES - and of course turns Z - heart wrenching scene when Rick or CARL has to shoot Lori Z)

• at some point baby/boy is killed by some physical trauma - gunshot to the abdomen like big brother Carl maybe - but with no doc around, bleeds out. The group waits for "the turn" but agrees Rick will be allowed to wait until HE is ready to put toddler Z down. Rick keeos vigil over baby/toddlers lil body for months, but baby never turns.

• This sparks Rick/group into realization that he not only is immortal but can impart this immortality to his offspring.

• Thus setting up the post-AMC continuation of The Walking Dead as a late night soft core porn series on Cinemax where Rick and Carl (now a strapping young lad of 23) "breed" with as many ladies as possible. Rich, fat, and lazy from all the money he makes off TWD merchandise, Andrew Lincoln drops the phony Merican accent and resorts to his native Brit voice as he becomes a real life modern day Hugh Hefner. In a bid to bring in more ladies, Jon Bernthal returns as a villainous zombie trying to repopulate the earth with Zeds by banging as much tail as he can too. George Takai joins the cast to win over the gay viewers. And weekly guest staring appearances by Maxims Hot 100 ladies keeps the 18-45 male audience glued to their TV sets every Friday Night at 1 am


Seems legit ;)
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I don't get the big deal if everyone is "infected". So you live your normal life and then when you "die" the living make sure you get shot in the head. We embalm our dead now so what's the difference if we shoot the dead in the head before they turn then we hold our rituals, funeral wake whatever, and go on with life. Once the zombies that are currently on the planet are destroyed and you shoot the recently dead prior to turning it eliminates the development of more zombies.
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I don't get the big deal if everyone is "infected". So you live your normal life and then when you "die" the living make sure you get shot in the head. We embalm our dead now so what's the difference if we shoot the dead in the head before they turn then we hold our rituals, funeral wake whatever, and go on with life. Once the zombies that are currently on the planet are destroyed and you shoot the recently dead prior to turning it eliminates the development of more zombies.



Agreed. In classic Romero anything Dead gets up and starts walking. Sure it's not a actual "infection" that brings about Z's but the point is the same. If it's dead..it's a threat so bascally everyone is infected.
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If everyone is infected, point of the baby daddy love triangle is this (pure speculation, btw, no need to spoiler tag):

• Rick is immune - thus why/how he survived in hospital. Not only will he not turn Z when he dies, he won't/can't die from internal/viral type causes (still susceptible to blunt force or bleeding out causes of death, especially to the brain - just like Zeds - but disease, starvation etc have no effect) ... this is the "side effect" , if you will, of the Z plague - immortality

• At some point Shane dies and turns Z like everyone else

• Baby is born and miraculously lives despite lack of proper breast milk or baby formula (Lori DIES - and of course turns Z - heart wrenching scene when Rick or CARL has to shoot Lori Z)

• at some point baby/boy is killed by some physical trauma - gunshot to the abdomen like big brother Carl maybe - but with no doc around, bleeds out. The group waits for "the turn" but agrees Rick will be allowed to wait until HE is ready to put toddler Z down. Rick keeos vigil over baby/toddlers lil body for months, but baby never turns.

• This sparks Rick/group into realization that he not only is immortal but can impart this immortality to his offspring.

• Thus setting up the post-AMC continuation of The Walking Dead as a late night soft core porn series on Cinemax where Rick and Carl (now a strapping young lad of 23) "breed" with as many ladies as possible. Rich, fat, and lazy from all the money he makes off TWD merchandise, Andrew Lincoln drops the phony Merican accent and resorts to his native Brit voice as he becomes a real life modern day Hugh Hefner. In a bid to bring in more ladies, Jon Bernthal returns as a villainous zombie trying to repopulate the earth with Zeds by banging as much tail as he can too. George Takai joins the cast to win over the gay viewers. And weekly guest staring appearances by Maxims Hot 100 ladies keeps the 18-45 male audience glued to their TV sets every Friday Night at 1 am


Oh and I'd like to throw my hat into the ring as Ricks long lost cousin who can help share some of the "work load" @ breeding. :lol:
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I don't get the big deal if everyone is "infected". So you live your normal life and then when you "die" the living make sure you get shot in the head. We embalm our dead now so what's the difference if we shoot the dead in the head before they turn then we hold our rituals, funeral wake whatever, and go on with life. Once the zombies that are currently on the planet are destroyed and you shoot the recently dead prior to turning it eliminates the development of more zombies.



You were faster LOL I came here ready to say the same.


Living with a group would be more important than never, to make sure your brain will be destroyed when you die. I can´t see the whole OMG about the situation aswell.
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If everyone is infected, point of the baby daddy love triangle is this (pure speculation, btw, no need to spoiler tag):

• Rick is immune - thus why/how he survived in hospital. Not only will he not turn Z when he dies, he won't/can't die from internal/viral type causes (still susceptible to blunt force or bleeding out causes of death, especially to the brain - just like Zeds - but disease, starvation etc have no effect) ... this is the "side effect" , if you will, of the Z plague - immortality

• At some point Shane dies and turns Z like everyone else

• Baby is born and miraculously lives despite lack of proper breast milk or baby formula (Lori DIES - and of course turns Z - heart wrenching scene when Rick or CARL has to shoot Lori Z)

• at some point baby/boy is killed by some physical trauma - gunshot to the abdomen like big brother Carl maybe - but with no doc around, bleeds out. The group waits for "the turn" but agrees Rick will be allowed to wait until HE is ready to put toddler Z down. Rick keeos vigil over baby/toddlers lil body for months, but baby never turns.

• This sparks Rick/group into realization that he not only is immortal but can impart this immortality to his offspring.

• Thus setting up the post-AMC continuation of The Walking Dead as a late night soft core porn series on Cinemax where Rick and Carl (now a strapping young lad of 23) "breed" with as many ladies as possible. Rich, fat, and lazy from all the money he makes off TWD merchandise, Andrew Lincoln drops the phony Merican accent and resorts to his native Brit voice as he becomes a real life modern day Hugh Hefner. In a bid to bring in more ladies, Jon Bernthal returns as a villainous zombie trying to repopulate the earth with Zeds by banging as much tail as he can too. George Takai joins the cast to win over the gay viewers. And weekly guest staring appearances by Maxims Hot 100 ladies keeps the 18-45 male audience glued to their TV sets every Friday Night at 1 am


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I don't get the big deal if everyone is "infected". So you live your normal life and then when you "die" the living make sure you get shot in the head. We embalm our dead now so what's the difference if we shoot the dead in the head before they turn then we hold our rituals, funeral wake whatever, and go on with life. Once the zombies that are currently on the planet are destroyed and you shoot the recently dead prior to turning it eliminates the development of more zombies.


OK, I see it from your point of view now. And if it turns out that they are all infected, I guess thinking in this way will make one come to terms with the reality. But still I hope that they are not all infected.

If they are infected, then it doesnt really make a difference whether they are scratched or not does it because you are already having the virus. The only difference is if you are bitten, it kicks in a fever that kills you or it creates a rupture where you loose so much blood that you die. It really makes more sense for them not to be all infected until they are bitten or scratched or whatever.





Another thing that also puzzles me, Jenner said that the all the staff of the CDC had run off or committed suicide. Well if they were already infected and had died, then turned, wouldnt it be reasonable to assume that the CDC itself would have been over-run? I dont know, maybe Im over thinking things.
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The CDC would t have been overrun as long as those who opted out shot themselves in the head as a means of suicide then their brain is destroyed and no chance for reanimation.
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Don't loose hope. If everyone is infected, it is just a new reality people will learn to live with. I don't think we'll see people spontaniously turn into zombies. They have to die. However, take Lori's car wreck. If she had died in the wreck, she could have turned into a zombie.

The survivors have to decide on new death rituals. Maybe they let people die their natural death. But, once they are dead an axe to the head will stop the infection in its tracks.


That's what I think too. I don't see the "big deal" if everyone is already infected AS LONG AS the infection is not killing them. If it just means automatic reanimation after whatever kind of death, then I just see a need for a change in burial rituals and nothing else. Again, once you're dead, you're DEAD! Who cares if they have to do a little more extra brain damage to make sure you stay dead?
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The CDC would t have been overrun as long as those who opted out shot themselves in the head as a means of suicide then their brain is destroyed and no chance for reanimation.



^^^This. Or they put them down as they found them. I doubt everyone at the CDC commited mass suicide, probably happened in spurts or as single incidences. And the two more common practices of suicide would have either eliminated the risk of reanimation or reduced the danger of it. As Midwest said, a gunshot to the head solves the problem. And also hanging would in most cases keep the walker on a leash long enough to put em down.
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If they ever get to a point where the mass zombie problem is solved, maybe not all dead but at least to a point where you don't have to worry about running into a herd too large to deal with, they can get back to working on a cure if enough doctors are still alive. If you've ever seen "Death Valley" and their zombie problem, you'll know what I mean. The wonderful thing about TWD is how little we know about the rest of the world, the possibilities are endless as far as the rest of the world is concerned. Let's be honest here, anyone with a debilitating illness is going to be dead so doctors can spend all their time on cracking this. Then vaccinate and possibly immunize, problem solved.
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that could lead to an interesting scenario where a woman is pregnant and loses the baby during pregnancy and before birth, at which point the woman is attacked from inside by her zombie fetus.


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Theres bound to be a percentage of the word's population who are immune, if this is airborne. In this case, I assume it would be just a matter of time until whatever is causing reanimation to be bred out of existence.
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Theres bound to be a percentage of the word's population who are immune, if this is airborne. In this case, I assume it would be just a matter of time until whatever is causing reanimation to be bred out of existence.



I don't know about that. If its even possible that could take generations. IF there are people that are immune, which is no guarantee, I imagine it would be a very very very small percentage of the population. So not only would there be a very small amount of people capable of breeding a new immune population of humans, they would have to also have to be alive still and continue to survive (which is no easy feat as we have seen). Then they would have to find another person also immune of the opposite sex(to not run the risk of an infected child). Issues there: how do you know you are immune without testings and scientific evidence to diagnose that? And what if only one gender can have the immunity gene? I guess its possible if there are immune people, that the immune person's genes would override the infected person's genes. I don't see this happening, at least not on big enough level to repopulate the earth that I can only assume is infested with millions, possibly billions, of infected people who are relentlessly trying to eat you.

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OMG dude this is epic!! I registered just to say this.. Haha~

If everyone is infected, point of the baby daddy love triangle is this (pure speculation, btw, no need to spoiler tag):

• Rick is immune - thus why/how he survived in hospital. Not only will he not turn Z when he dies, he won't/can't die from internal/viral type causes (still susceptible to blunt force or bleeding out causes of death, especially to the brain - just like Zeds - but disease, starvation etc have no effect) ... this is the "side effect" , if you will, of the Z plague - immortality

• At some point Shane dies and turns Z like everyone else

• Baby is born and miraculously lives despite lack of proper breast milk or baby formula (Lori DIES - and of course turns Z - heart wrenching scene when Rick or CARL has to shoot Lori Z)

• at some point baby/boy is killed by some physical trauma - gunshot to the abdomen like big brother Carl maybe - but with no doc around, bleeds out. The group waits for "the turn" but agrees Rick will be allowed to wait until HE is ready to put toddler Z down. Rick keeos vigil over baby/toddlers lil body for months, but baby never turns.

• This sparks Rick/group into realization that he not only is immortal but can impart this immortality to his offspring.

• Thus setting up the post-AMC continuation of The Walking Dead as a late night soft core porn series on Cinemax where Rick and Carl (now a strapping young lad of 23) "breed" with as many ladies as possible. Rich, fat, and lazy from all the money he makes off TWD merchandise, Andrew Lincoln drops the phony Merican accent and resorts to his native Brit voice as he becomes a real life modern day Hugh Hefner. In a bid to bring in more ladies, Jon Bernthal returns as a villainous zombie trying to repopulate the earth with Zeds by banging as much tail as he can too. George Takai joins the cast to win over the gay viewers. And weekly guest staring appearances by Maxims Hot 100 ladies keeps the 18-45 male audience glued to their TV sets every Friday Night at 1 am




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The good part is that most of this is pure speculation. We will NOT get all the answers and a practical guide to how the ZA world is. How did the infection spread? Was it military? Is the whole world affected by this pre-death infection or just part of it?
The key here is to keep everyone guessing while not even Kirkmann has the answers or does even loose sleep over them. Remember how in the comics you have fairly soon "weak" walkers that have lost all of their strengh. Then silence for volumes and volumes till another such incident happens. Just like some sort of brain tease without explanation or logic.
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I don't know about that. If its even possible that could take generations. IF there are people that are immune, which is no guarantee, I imagine it would be a very very very small percentage of the population. So not only would there be a very small amount of people capable of breeding a new immune population of humans, they would have to also have to be alive still and continue to survive (which is no easy feat as we have seen). Then they would have to find another person also immune of the opposite sex(to not run the risk of an infected child). Issues there: how do you know you are immune without testings and scientific evidence to diagnose that? And what if only one gender can have the immunity gene? I guess its possible if there are immune people, that the immune person's genes would override the infected person's genes. I don't see this happening, at least not on big enough level to repopulate the earth that I can only assume is infested with millions, possibly billions, of infected people who are relentlessly trying to eat you.


Well the human body will become immune to things over time. For example the exterminator guy on AE, he can eat several cockroaches and not get sick at all. If a regular person ate one they would die. He did that because he slowly exposed himself to the diseases and allowed his body to learn how to fight it off.

Also I don't think they need to survive decades. I think the zombies would eventually start killing themselves. They eat, but don't eat the whole body, so its wasted food to them. They just attack anything living and move to the next thing. Eventually they will come to area's where there is absolutely nothing living, thus they can't survive. Also remember the winters, which hopefully kills them too. The only way this won't happen is by some miracle the zombies dont die period, but since they do (getting shot in the head) that can't be the case.

As for the main topic, it has would then turn to "a cure. We are dead unless we find the cure, and there will be several scenerios that the cure is out there. However even with that being said I highly doubt anyone will want to comit suicide after finding this out haha, if they did I'd be like "your staying out there in the middle of hell"
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Also I don't think they need to survive decades. I think the zombies would eventually start killing themselves. They eat, but don't eat the whole body, so its wasted food to them. They just attack anything living and move to the next thing. Eventually they will come to area's where there is absolutely nothing living, thus they can't survive. Also remember the winters, which hopefully kills them too. The only way this won't happen is by some miracle the zombies dont die period, but since they do (getting shot in the head) that can't be the case.



Well apparantly Zombies decompose after some time. Their brain rots as do their bodies and they cease to be able to do anything. They eventually turn to matter. And that's how they STOP. We discussed it in another post. Its on Wiki apparantly
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Well apparantly Zombies decompose after some time. Their brain rots as do their bodies and they cease to be able to do anything. They eventually turn to matter. And that's how they STOP. We discussed it in another post. Its on Wiki apparantly


Well ya gotta remember technically zombies have no heartbeat, don't breath, have no way of supplying any of the necessary requirements for muscle and tissue to live. Look how quickly bodies decompose depending on what the environment is. It really doesn't take long so I'm sure their not following any kind of a realism aspect because as far as I'm concerned most zombies in the cities would be falling apart if they were still moving at all.
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Thats why you see on books like WWZ how apparently the virus makes the contaminated tissue so toxic that only the hardest of bacteria can feast on them which makes rotting a very slow process (5-10 years depending on the climate). Of course we can not even start trying to explain how a walker keeps active without a blood supply, functioning organs, etc... Its just the way it is and we accept it for the sake of the lore.
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