[journeynsolace]

zombiemma, on 01 March 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:

Oh, that was a bit of an exaggeration on my part. At this point, I just think it would be a silly pairing, but I can't say for sure until I see the way Michonne's character will be translated on screen.

I understand. I haven't read the comics, but I've read about Michonne and just from that, I thought that she and Daryl could be interesting (two strong fighter types). However, I agree that it depends on her characterization.

[Barry Cade]

journeynsolace, on 26 February 2012 - 02:42 AM, said:

I agree that the Carol and Daryl dynamic is probably the most interesting part of the show right now for me too. I don't think that they should be in a sexual relationship though. I don't see that type of attraction between them. I agree that it's just damaged people gravitating towards each other.

I didn't think Daryl actually pull his fist back in that scene though. I just thought he got too close and threatening and so Carol prepared herself for a hit, and he realized what she was doing (because he had done the same thing in the past), and that's when he backed away, realizing that his actions had been threatening, even though not intentionally so.

Even though she's not even on the show yet, I ship Daryl and Michonne. I think that he'd be attracted to a woman who could protect herself like that. I posted it somewhere else, but what I'd like to see is Michonne and Daryl getting together, Carol either getting jealous about that fact or simply feeling unneeded by Daryl as a result, and then she commits suicide, giving Daryl another adult emotional experience to deal with (and a possible story arc).

I do like Carol as a character, but I agree that she's more of a catalyst for the group (getting them to search for Sophia, pulling Daryl out of his shell, etc.). She could arguably grow quite a bit into a strong character like we saw in the pickax scene.

I do want to know what was meant by this...

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..."He fits into the group in the last three episodes of the season in an actually very surprising way; I'd even say more violent way, and I think that he finds himself with a new role in the group. Carol has difficulties with the idea that for him to reintegrate into the group, he, in a sense, changes who he is, and she's starts to feel a rift." Daryl becoming "more violent" would be very interesting indeed.

Not sure on the

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Michonee/ Darryl thing...

idea as I can see Daryl not being particularly emotionally mature; not a failing on his part, but he's had a difficult upbringing and I can't see him having the emotional maturity of, for example, Dale or Rick. Shane is similar to Daryl, he's still in a white-knight mode.

For this reason I'm not sure Daryl would gravitate towards a strong female, he's more likely to try and integrate himself with someone weaker, like Carol. This is why, I believe, he's had such a hard time of Sophia's death. I suppose, as the character grows, he may develop his emotional attachments but at this time the sheer weight of evidence supports that he finds it difficult to articulate his feelings except through lashing out verbally and, almost, physically.

[journeynsolace]

Barry Cade, on 01 March 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

Not sure on the

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Michonee/ Darryl thing...

idea as I can see Daryl not being particularly emotionally mature; not a failing on his part, but he's had a difficult upbringing and I can't see him having the emotional maturity of, for example, Dale or Rick. Shane is similar to Daryl, he's still in a white-knight mode.

For this reason I'm not sure Daryl would gravitate towards a strong female, he's more likely to try and integrate himself with someone weaker, like Carol. This is why, I believe, he's had such a hard time of Sophia's death. I suppose, as the character grows, he may develop his emotional attachments but at this time the sheer weight of evidence supports that he finds it difficult to articulate his feelings except through lashing out verbally and, almost, physically.

I can definitely see it playing out this way too. I'd completely be fine with it and see it within his characterization if he stayed the adult adolescent without any romantic relationship with anyone (although my Norman love wants to see at least one sex scene at some point with someone). In some interview, Norman Reedus said that Daryl would have sex with someone... but wouldn't cuddle after, and I could definitely see that.

I really agree with what you said about Daryl finding "it difficult to articulate his feelings", which is why I didn't like the flowers things with Carol. He just wouldn't have been that articulate about it. He might have left her flowers secretly because he remembered the story, but I just don't think that he would have done it directly or told the whole story behind it the way that he did.

[gracie lou]

journeynsolace, on 01 March 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

I can definitely see it playing out this way too. I'd completely be fine with it and see it within his characterization if he stayed the adult adolescent without any romantic relationship with anyone (although my Norman love wants to see at least one sex scene at some point with someone). In some interview, Norman Reedus said that Daryl would have sex with someone... but wouldn't cuddle after, and I could definitely see that.

I really agree with what you said about Daryl finding "it difficult to articulate his feelings", which is why I didn't like the flowers things with Carol. He just wouldn't have been that articulate about it. He might have left her flowers secretly because he remembered the story, but I just don't think that he would have done it directly or told the whole story behind it the way that he did.

Yeah, I didn't much care for Daryl basically quoting a wiki article.

[ElloraDixon]

Really??? I missed that interview!

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As much as I like Carol and would not
mind to see them in a love/sexual relationship, I am already trying to accept
Daryl/Michonne in the future. I do not read the comics but people talk so much
about her and how badass she is that I am disgusted. Someone said they
will probably put those two together and It will hurt my heart to see Daryl
with her and not Carol.

Edited by ElloraDixon, 01 March 2012 - 08:21 PM.

[TheAnarchrist]

ElloraDixon, on 01 March 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Really??? I missed that interview!

Spoiler

As much as I like Carol and would not
mind to see them in a love/sexual relationship, I am already trying to accept
Daryl/Michonne in the future. I do not read the comics but people talk so much
about her and how badass she is that I am disgusted. Someone said they
will probably put those two together and It will hurt my heart to see Daryl
with her and not Carol.

I'm doing some pretty far out speculating here but a Michonne/Darryl romance -may- become the reason for Carol's ultimate demise and total unraveling. If it comes to pass in season 3 or 4, remember you heard it here first.

[ElloraDixon]

TheAnarchrist, on 01 March 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

I'm doing some pretty far out speculating here but a Michonne/Darryl romance -may- become the reason for Carol's ultimate demise and total unraveling. If it comes to pass in season 3 or 4, remember you heard it here first.

Yes yes, I will remember that!

But I already hate Michonne for that ¬¬

[Deadpelican]

zombiemma, on 27 February 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

I will stop watching the show if Daryl and Michonne get together in the future.

Has Michonne even been confirmed yet?

She seems  bit to far fetched for the world of the walking dead TV series.

A Katana- wielding ex- lawyer with top-notch combat skills who keeps zombies as pets is a great comic book character, but would look ridiculous to most fans of the TV series who aren't familiar with the comic, I would think.

[Gingerella]

TheAnarchrist, on 01 March 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

I'm doing some pretty far out speculating here but a Michonne/Darryl romance -may- become the reason for Carol's ultimate demise and total unraveling. If it comes to pass in season 3 or 4, remember you heard it here first.

I will be really, REALLY disappointed if this happens. TWD's female characters are already pretty weak, so having one of them fall apart because of a failed relationship will be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I understand that Michonne would be a strong female character, but from what I can tell, she seems almost cartoonishly badass and bears no resemblance to reality.

[journeynsolace]

I get that MIchonne as depicted would be "over the top" for the series, but just imagine her a little toned down, like a lawyer who did a lot of martial arts of some kind and had a 'thing' for all Asian culture. I want her to have the sword, but I agree that it would just be too much for her to have zombie pets.

[Barry Cade]

journeynsolace, on 02 March 2012 - 07:32 AM, said:

I get that MIchonne as depicted would be "over the top" for the series, but just imagine her a little toned down, like a lawyer who did a lot of martial arts of some kind and had a 'thing' for all Asian culture. I want her to have the sword, but I agree that it would just be too much for her to have zombie pets.

I wonder if Kirkman ever read SnowCrash by Neal Stephenson, because apart from the chromosomes Michonne is basically his main hero protagonist, 'Hiro Protagonist'. Except he wasn't a lawyer. And he didn't have 2 zombies. Although he was an ace hacker. And he delivered pizzas. Like Glenn. Sheesh. I have to go lie down.

[THE WALKING DEAD ADDICT]

Daryl and Carol's relationship is baced around more of a mother and son sort of thing.

(Norman Reedus has said that it is nothing more than that).

Edited by THE WALKING DEAD ADDICT, 03 March 2012 - 07:11 PM.

[z cat]

In the conversation between Daryl and Carol when it looks like she flinches/lifts her chin, I thought it was interesting when Daryl told Carol that she didn't have anybody. In saying this to her, he was really talking about himself. And like others have noted, he's uncomfortable with closeness as he has had an abusive past. And, of course, as Carol has had a similar abusive past, they mirror each other.

Youtube interview of Norman Reedus from Oct. 2011, where Reedus says he's playing Daryl as...

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a virgin?!  link to interview on youtube  (about 2:47 mark)

I agree with you, THE WALKING DEAD ADDICT,

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I now see Carol as a mother figure for Daryl. (Not a possible love interest.)

Edited by z cat, 04 March 2012 - 12:16 AM.

[Barry Cade]

z cat, on 04 March 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

In the conversation between Daryl and Carol when it looks like she flinches/lifts her chin, I thought it was interesting when Daryl told Carol that she didn't have anybody. In saying this to her, he was really talking about himself. And like others have noted, he's uncomfortable with closeness as he has had an abusive past. And, of course, as Carol has had a similar abusive past, they mirror each other.

Youtube interview of Norman Reedus from Oct. 2011, where Reedus says he's playing Daryl as...

Spoiler

a virgin?!  link to interview on youtube  (about 2:47 mark)

I agree with you, THE WALKING DEAD ADDICT,

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I now see Carol as a mother figure for Daryl. (Not a possible love interest.)

Oh, that's interesting. I sorta thought that he was putting women on a pedestal; and to an extent that's probably what I was reading from him. Yes, this whole Oedipal thang is playing out quite well.

I suppose Reedus is lucky playing a brand new character, there's no expectation as to what he'll do/ what he's capable of. Wonder who he sees as his father figure... Past evidence suggests Merle (flashbacks etc.) but, if he turns his attentions to Rick in the future this could be explosive.

[journeynsolace]

I don't see the "mother/son" relationship; I don't see them as having a sexual/romantic relationship either.  I agree with the description that Norman Reedus has used in interviews that damaged people just gravitate toward damaged people.

I personally found it interesting when he shouted "She wasn't mine" about Sophia... made me begin to wonder if maybe he may have had a kid himself at some point. Not lost in the apocalypse, but perhaps the mother years ago just didn't want someone like Daryl to have anything to do with the kid's life, so he hasn't seen the kid in years or possibly ever. I think THAT type of backstory could add another layer to Daryl, give him another reason why finding Sophia would be a form of "redemption" for him.

When Reedus has said that he's playing Daryl like a "virgin", he's clarified that he doesn't mean literally, but in the sense that Daryl isn't thinking sexually about anyone or looking for a relationship. He's focused more on fitting in with the group in general rather than hooking up... but he's also said that there's really not much more for people to do, so I see a hookup at some point and I'd REALLY like to see it with MIchonne, depending on the chemistry between Reedus and whomever is cast as Michonne. I don't see any sexual chemistry between Daryl and Carol, although I saw it a bit between Daryl and Andrea.

Edited by journeynsolace, 04 March 2012 - 02:03 AM.

[ElloraDixon]

During that last chat with Reedus while ep 11 was on he said Daryl and Carol do not have a romantic relationship, neither a mother-son thing. They are just damaged people looking after each other, as people here said.


And Michonne? Uuuuggghhh...

[Gingerella]

ElloraDixon, on 06 March 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

During that last chat with Reedus while ep 11 was on he said Daryl and Carol do not have a romantic relationship, neither a mother-son thing. They are just damaged people looking after each other, as people here said.


And Michonne? Uuuuggghhh...

Exactly. He said they weren't a romantic relationship (then joked "for now - ha"), but that they were kindred spirits who looked after each other. He also said Daryl doesn't understand his feelings for Carol.

That's a plenty interesting dynamic right there.

[Maka523]

I really can't see Carol and Daryl in any kind of kind of romantic or sexual relationship whatsoever, and I'd really hate it if it did turn into that.  I just can't look at that outburst in "Triggerfinger" and be able to accept any kind of romantic connection at all.  A man saying crap like that to his romantic partner and the partner not only just standing there but willingly egging him on just screams of emotional abuse (which is a doubly unfortunate implication considering Ed).  It seems much more mother/son to me, a mother allowing her kid to vent (relatively) safely and let some trauma out of his system.

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Although if the writers want to show Carol cracking under stress/loneliness and deciding to check out, there are worse ways to do it than to have her proposition Daryl and be rejected.

  Seriously, though, I don't see Carol lasting all that long in a world suffering a zombie apocalypse.

[keith2772]

Deadpelican, on 02 March 2012 - 04:18 AM, said:

Has Michonne even been confirmed yet?

She seems  bit to far fetched for the world of the walking dead TV series.

A Katana- wielding ex- lawyer with top-notch combat skills who keeps zombies as pets is a great comic book character, but would look ridiculous to most fans of the TV series who aren't familiar with the comic, I would think.

That's the problem I have with the character as well. I have seen some of the comic purists come to Michionne's defense by saying she's really not that skilled with the sword, that they wouldn't have her with her zombie pets, etc. But if not for that, what really makes her a signifigant character? If they could basically substitute any other made up female character for her, what is the point of having her on the show at all?

Edited by keith2772, 11 March 2012 - 10:48 AM.

[Creeper]

Do they mutually care about each other? Definitely and obviously.  Carol is certainly more comfortable sharing that, but even Daryl has made it clear that he prefers Carol to anyone else.  Or at the very least feels protective of her.  But do they have a mutual understanding? I think it is too complicated at this point for that.

I completely do not get the mother-son feeling.  If it turns into anything other than friendship(I think Carol wants to be closer to him than just friends, just from how she acts and looks around him) it'll be romance for sure. I'm just not sure it'll ever get that far. Daryl is so emotionally stunted I have a hard time imagining him ever being open to a relationship.

I think they are certainly going somewhere with this relationship..I'm just not sure where yet.  The scene where Daryl yells at Carol, some of the stuff he said and what it implied..I got romantic vibes from that.  Just the body language.  I was also intrigued by the scene where Daryl followed Carol into the RV after Sophia was shot and just sat with her.  He clearly wanted to comfort her somehow.  What did he expect she would do? Cry on his shoulder?  Scream at him?  He was upset and hurt/disgusted by the acceptance that Carol had of Sophia having died a long time ago.  Why?  Because he had expected her to mourn "normally"?  Because he was angry at himself for not having saved her "a long time" ago before she was bit?  I think Daryl turns a lot of the emotions he doesn't understand/doesn't want to process into anger as a familiar way to deal with them.  I don't think he is angry at Carol. He is mad at himself, and the situation, and his inability to "fix things" for Carol. Complex emotions on both side, there.

I think this relationship is one of the most interesting(if not THE most interesting) being developed on the show.  I really hope they don't kill Carol off...she is such zombie bait, she shouldn't go more than 2 feet from Daryl EVER.

Edited by Creeper, 11 March 2012 - 01:39 PM.

[ElloraDixon]

I really like Carol aswell. I do not see her as useless, just a mother with the sole wish to look after her daughter in a f. up world. And I agree with you, Creeper. I doubt Daryl will understand his feelings at all. He does know she cares about him, he asked Dale if it was Carol that sent him there, but to be honest I doubt the writers will build up a romantic relationship for them.

[Serenity@sea]

Very insightful posts on this thread! For those who see Carol as a useless, pathetic character (not necessarily on this thread, but many others I've read) I would say that scene where Daryl said those horrible things to her, showed that she does have strength. A lot of people would have flinched or broken down and cried. She recognized that is was just anger that Daryl needed to vent. For those who think that Daryl doesn't have feelings for Carol, watch Dale's funeral scene. The way Daryl looked over at Carol, was so touching. I'm not sure what their relationship is, romantic, mother-son or even brother-sister type. I do know that they bring out the best in each other and it will be very interesting to see how it plays out.

Edited by Serenity@sea, 25 March 2012 - 03:00 PM.

[DDixonGirl]

Serenity@sea, on 25 March 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Very insightful posts on this thread! For those who see Carol as a useless, pathetic character (not necessarily on this thread, but many others I've read) I would say that scene where Daryl said those horrible things to her, showed that she does have strength. A lot of people would have flinched or broken down and cried. She recognized that is was just anger that Daryl needed to vent. For those who think that Daryl doesn't have feelings for Carol, watch Dale's funeral scene. The way Daryl looked over at Carol, was so touching. I'm not sure what their relationship is, romantic, mother-son or even brother-sister type. I do know that they bring out the best in each other and it will be very interesting to see how it plays out.

I agree about there being very insightful post here.... whether I agree with each post or not...


I do strongly disagree that Carol is strong.... I am one of those who see her as weak, pathetic, & useless....  It wasn't strenght that Carol showed when she took the verbal beatdown from Daryl... Daryl is my favorite, but that wasn't one of his finer moments... Although, I got what he was doing...

Carol taking it was weak...pathetic....something she did with Ed... took the beatings, verbal/physical, and it was okay....


I do believe Daryl cares for Carol, but he also cares for the entire group.. .They are both abused so that is something that connects them, but romance... God NO...

Dale's funeral..... If you listen to what Rick was saying when Daryl had that look on him.... "Dale could see who you really are" ... Dale & Carol have told Daryl that he's a good, decent man and he has trouble believing that...

I also don't think they bring out the best in each other... Carol is just boring, nagging, weak...

Yes, she has helped Daryl grow...but she hasn't grown...

My issues with Carol are she spent more time trying to fix Daryl then she ever did looking for her kid..... the final epi's showed her in a really bad light...JMO

Carol giving Daryl a look of disgust after he beat up Randall....   Carol not helping Andrea, Carol running off without fighting back... Carol badmouthing Rick, trying to cause a rift btw Rick/Daryl, saying Daryl was Rick's henchmen...demanding Rick do something.....  The witch refused to do anything for herself...

I see mother/son, friendship sort of, but no romance...and I truly believe that there will be an even bigger rift to come...Daryl is taking a bigger role in the group, protecting them in a way that Carol will never accept or understand...

Too me, Carol is filler...and filler eventually goes away....but that's JMO

Great insightful post...even though I don't agree with most....LOL

[Nareen]

Maybe Carol will go away, maybe not.  From what I hear, Carol’s arc seems to be different so far from that of the comics, so there is no saying.  I hope she survives because I like her and her relationship with Daryl, which IMO makes both more complex and interesting.



I think a mother-son relationship is stretching it a bit since Norman Reedus is in his early forties, and Melissa McBride her mid forties.  The writers have given no ages so, by default.  I assume that the actors’ real ages are appropriate, especially since they look right.  Since Merle was obviously in his fifties and Sophia a preteen, it makes sense.  So brother-sister I’ll give you, or what’s wrong with just friends?  

[telecat]

ElloraDixon, on 01 March 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

Yes yes, I will remember that!

But I already hate Michonne for that ¬¬

If Carol

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kills herself because Daryl and Michonne get together, I will buy a Michonne action figure

Edited by gracie lou, 27 March 2012 - 02:18 PM.
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