[theblackboxlies]

Correction:

Spoiler

The Governor aka Philip (Not Shane, Not Merle) is 1 and a half armed, since Michonne cut his right arm off from just above the elbow

Who knows what they'll do though really. Where's the source on Rooker spilling the beans at Comicon?

As far as Master Sergeant Shane ""Pitbull/Come At Me Bro" Walsh, I hope he bites it in a similar way from the comics. He's adds an interesting dynamic being a loose cannon, but he's just that, a loose cannon. The writers keep pushing his character and eventually I think his outburst, and one can assume future rage episodes will land him 6 feet under, only to be dug up later and killed again. I have to say though, Bernthal's really owning the character of Shane. I hope in season 2.5 we see Rick finally become the badass I know and love from the comic.

[Ahrean]

zedhatch, on 29 November 2011 - 12:00 AM, said:

Spoiler

Govenor was one handed, one eyed and penis-less (maybe) only after michone got ahold of him.  He first appeared he was whole.  Just saying.  

In all seriousness that would kill what could be the best moment of TV ever.  Merle just isn't on the same level.  

Spoiler

Best moment being her torturing him? Okay, got it..however, seeing as they're deviating from the GN's to such a high degree, it would be plausible...

That being said, Merle is coming back at some point.....

Edited by Ahrean, 29 November 2011 - 12:47 AM.

[Ahrean]

theblackboxlies, on 29 November 2011 - 12:15 AM, said:

Correction:

Spoiler

The Governor aka Philip (Not Shane, Not Merle) is 1 and a half armed, since Michonne cut his right arm off from just above the elbow

Who knows what they'll do though really. Where's the source on Rooker spilling the beans at Comicon?

As far as Master Sergeant Shane ""Pitbull/Come At Me Bro" Walsh, I hope he bites it in a similar way from the comics. He's adds an interesting dynamic being a loose cannon, but he's just that, a loose cannon. The writers keep pushing his character and eventually I think his outburst, and one can assume future rage episodes will land him 6 feet under, only to be dug up later and killed again. I have to say though, Bernthal's really owning the character of Shane. I hope in season 2.5 we see Rick finally become the badass I know and love from the comic.

Bernthal and Reedus, imo, are TRULY STELLAR in their roles, seriously. That being said, it was all over after Comicon from what I recall and then you notice after that, the vehement denials that came out. The rest is a supposition, but a logical one.

[Merle Dixon]

jigrig, on 28 November 2011 - 09:21 PM, said:

I'm gonna have to go with Daryl "ALMOST" gets killed off multiple times, the reason I pick that is because during The Talking Dead Norman was talking about injuries he had sustained while on the show & he mentioned something about Berenthal (Shane) beating Daryl up & I don't see Shane leaving somebody like Daryl alive after doing a # on him because Daryl "WILL" get him back, plus Daryl thinks nothing of throwing caution to the wind to protect The Group.
If Merle shows up again "for real" I can see him doing things He would think will toughen His little brother up.

wow a shave vs daryl would be an AWESOME BATTLE

imagine shane almost kills daryl and believes hes dead. then after a few days daryl comes back for revenge. that would be awesome. this would realy be the ONLY way i wouldnt mind for shane to die. but i would rather he doesnt die

[Ahrean]

Merle Dixon, on 29 November 2011 - 01:04 AM, said:

wow a shave vs daryl would be an AWESOME BATTLE

imagine shane almost kills daryl and believes hes dead. then after a few days daryl comes back for revenge. that would be awesome. this would realy be the ONLY way i wouldnt mind for shane to die. but i would rather he doesnt die

While I wouldn't miss him, I wouldn't want Shane to die just for the sake of the dichotomy between him and Rick. Dont' want Daryl gone either.

[theblackboxlies]

Merle Dixon, on 29 November 2011 - 01:04 AM, said:

wow a shave vs daryl would be an AWESOME BATTLE

imagine shane almost kills daryl and believes hes dead. then after a few days daryl comes back for revenge. that would be awesome. this would realy be the ONLY way i wouldnt mind for shane to die. but i would rather he doesnt die

In the last Talking Dead episode Norman Reedus sounded like the said that

Spoiler

Jon Bernthal [beats the shit out of him...] It sounded like they bleeped out more than "shit" since he said a few more words after. You could be right. Still I want to see Carl pop a cap in his ass.

[Nocturne]

theblackboxlies, on 29 November 2011 - 02:52 PM, said:

In the last Talking Dead episode Norman Reedus sounded like the said that

Spoiler

Jon Bernthal [beats the shit out of him...] It sounded like they bleeped out more than "shit" since he said a few more words after. You could be right. Still I want to see Carl pop a cap in his ass.

If anyone caps Shane I want it to be Daryl.......eventually.  Shane seems to be getting to the point of no return with his evil ways, the only plot that has moved fast (but should be a bit slower) all season.  Too much too soon.

[Merle Dixon]

Ahrean, on 29 November 2011 - 01:08 AM, said:

While I wouldn't miss him, I wouldn't want Shane to die just for the sake of the dichotomy between him and Rick. Dont' want Daryl gone either.

i love shane hes my favorite, but still if he died in a big fight with daryl then i wouldnt mind him dying

[zedhatch]

theblackboxlies, on 29 November 2011 - 02:52 PM, said:

In the last Talking Dead episode Norman Reedus sounded like the said that

Spoiler

Jon Bernthal [beats the shit out of him...] It sounded like they bleeped out more than "shit" since he said a few more words after. You could be right. Still I want to see Carl pop a cap in his ass.

Noticed that too, also realized shortly after that, Talking Dead doesn't bleep "Shit" only the F-bomb is all I have heard them bleep out.  Granted no one has been on there saying it much (Although Rooker tossed out a few other choice words too LOL Sugar Tits for instance).  

Anyway I figure it was a major spoiler accedentally said by Norman, and as much as they scream the show is live, there is more than the typical 10 second delay, (Noticed it on the first ep with Kirkman at NYCC) I figure it's at least a 15 minute delay if not more, still technically live cause there is no time to edit, but not live as we think of it.

[Merle Dixon]

zedhatch, on 29 November 2011 - 05:04 PM, said:

Noticed that too, also realized shortly after that, Talking Dead doesn't bleep "Shit" only the F-bomb is all I have heard them bleep out.  Granted no one has been on there saying it much (Although Rooker tossed out a few other choice words too LOL Sugar Tits for instance).  

Anyway I figure it was a major spoiler accedentally said by Norman, and as much as they scream the show is live, there is more than the typical 10 second delay, (Noticed it on the first ep with Kirkman at NYCC) I figure it's at least a 15 minute delay if not more, still technically live cause there is no time to edit, but not live as we think of it.

OBVIOUSLY! lol. but after the jannet jackson superbowl thing live shows have to be more than a few seconds off. they probably have to be a few minutes. but thats not anything new its been like that since shows became live

Edited by Merle Dixon, 29 November 2011 - 05:13 PM.

[EnigmaticAlly]

In response to the Daryl spoiler: The "almost" part is just that. They will not kill off Daryl. At least not in this season or the next. He has grown far too popular amongst the viewers/within the fandom, so to even fathom killing him off would be insanity. If that weren't enough, Norman Reedus getting many accolades and lots of attention for his role to even justify letting him die. Long-story short: Daryl will live.

As for Carol.. I can definitely see it. She is going to be wrought with grief for the rest of the season. They spent weeks (was it weeks?) searching for her little girl only to find out she was a zombie not even half a mile away from them. Then on top of that, she had to watch Rick shoot her own flesh and blood. She's lost everything. I guess the only thing she really has going for her is her friendship with Daryl at this point, but even I don't think that will be strong enough for her to want to continue on.

The only thing that has me thinking the previously mentioned shocker will not be Carol dying is because, well, it won't really be a shocker. I feel if she were to die, people would be expecting it, therefore it would not be as much as a surprise as we were lead to believe. Look at this board, for example. Nearly every single person here is saying something about how they can picture her running toward a zombie to be bitten (myself included). It is my personal thought that while Carol will die in that fashion somewhere down the line, I do not believe her death is going to be the shocker of the season.

I imagine it's going to be much bigger than that.

Edited by EnigmaticAlly, 29 November 2011 - 05:33 PM.

[xaviersaint]

Ahrean, on 28 November 2011 - 09:27 PM, said:

Well first, to kill off Daryl before reintroducing Merle is the most insane, ludicrous idea ever to walk the earth and I do believe they'd lose a major part of their viewership with it, so I was relieved at the "almost" part....

As for the shocker, I'm kinda sorta guessing this:

Spoiler

Merle is the Governor. I know Kirkman and Rooker have vehemently denied it BUT at Comicon last October, Rooker let it slip that he was, got in some major trouble and after that they both did some major backtracking that he wasn't....Also, last night on Talking Dead, they were talking about how Daryl will react when Merle does come back, future tense....

Governor is one handed, Merle is now one handed...makes total sense and if true, would be totally shocking.

Get your facts straight about the Governor that's not at all what happened. Ugh.

[sunonmars]

As for the finale shocker,

Spoiler

i'm speculating its the Jenner whisper that gets revealed when someone dies suddenly or gets shot and dies without getting bitten and then gets up as a walker right in front of the group and right then the penny drops to the group that you don't need to die of a bite and they are all infected

.

[Merle Dixon]

sunonmars, on 29 November 2011 - 05:58 PM, said:

As for the finale shocker,

Spoiler

i'm speculating its the Jenner whisper that gets revealed when someone dies suddenly or gets shot and dies without getting bitten and then gets up as a walker right in front of the group and right then the penny drops to the group that you don't need to die of a bite and they are all infected

.

thats really all it could be. what else could jenner have said? besides loris pregnant which he didnt say

[theblackboxlies]

I could see Carol trying to latch on to Daryl for support while the caveat is Daryl can't handle it, which pushes Carol into the arms of a walker. Final words: "I hope you like me" haha.

[EnigmaticAlly]

theblackboxlies, on 29 November 2011 - 06:40 PM, said:

I could see Carol trying to latch on to Daryl for support while the caveat is Daryl can't handle it, which pushes Carol into the arms of a walker. Final words: "I hope you like me" haha.

Oh, God. I'll admit it.. I giggled. =P

That said, I really can see this happening. I think Carol has developed some fairly strong (dare I say friendly) feelings toward Daryl, so it's my thought and feeling that she will most definitely be going to him for support. Whether he actually fulfills that support roll fully or just retreats back into his socially awkward, "I'm not used to caring" mode is another matter entirely.

I can definitely see her doing something rash, though, if the one person she goes to for help ends up turning away simply because he doesn't know how to handle it. However, if that were the case, part of me really believes that Daryl would step up to the plate and try and help. :l

[Ahrean]

xaviersaint, on 29 November 2011 - 05:39 PM, said:

Get your facts straight about the Governor that's not at all what happened. Ugh.

I wasn't talking about the f'ing novels, that's first. Second, crawl out of my aszhole, it's a supposition. third, they're not following the GN's to a T either.

[TWDfan1837]

sunonmars, on 29 November 2011 - 05:58 PM, said:

As for the finale shocker,

Spoiler

i'm speculating its the Jenner whisper that gets revealed when someone dies suddenly or gets shot and dies without getting bitten and then gets up as a walker right in front of the group and right then the penny drops to the group that you don't need to die of a bite and they are all infected

.

I was thinking the same thing as the major spoiler at the end of the season, but I just started re-watching season two.  In the first episode the group is looking through the cars on the highway for supplies.  Carl comes across a pickup truck with a dead man still holding his set of hatchets and machetes.  This man obviously died in his car from dehydration, starvation or something along those lines.  My point is he never returned as a walker.  He stayed dead.  Doesn't this refute the

Spoiler

Jenner whispered to Rick that whether bitten or not when you die you return as a walker

theory?  There were multiple cars on that highway containing dead people who did not come back as walkers.  Perhaps I am missing something........only thing I could understand as plausible is these people were dead before the virus mutated or evolved.

[zedhatch]

Kirkman said they died of head trama on talking dead, I think the lack of obvious wounds was a sign of the budget cuts though, I noticed when I rewatched they don't keep the camera on many of the bodies long.

But not every head trama would be visible either, the brain can take tons of damage without any outward or little outward damage.  

In my time on the vol Fire department, I saw a guy who had a steel beam fall on his head, killing him instantly (at a construction site, they called us in for the heavy moving) anyway when we got it off him his head looked intact, it was weird but the EMT's told me that happens sometimes and all the damage is internal.  The Skull sometimes holds together even after massive damage, also the brain can be jarred around without any damage to the skull if the truma is sufficent.

Edited by zedhatch, 29 November 2011 - 10:11 PM.

[TWDfan1837]

Thanks for the clarification. Seems like a crappy cop out for Kirkman and its not really the lack of visible wounds on bodies as much as it was the crash scene.  Part of it looks like a giant pile up but there's other parts where it looks like people stopped before the crash and there cars were fine.  Its probably lack of a budget like you mentioned...i guess they did the best they could with what money they had.  

zedhatch, on 29 November 2011 - 10:07 PM, said:

Kirkman said they died of head trama on talking dead, I think the lack of obvious wounds was a sign of the budget cuts though, I noticed when I rewatched they don't keep the camera on many of the bodies long.

But not every head trama would be visible either, the brain can take tons of damage without any outward or little outward damage.  

In my time on the vol Fire department, I saw a guy who had a steel beam fall on his head, killing him instantly (at a construction site, they called us in for the heavy moving) anyway when we got it off him his head looked intact, it was weird but the EMT's told me that happens sometimes and all the damage is internal.  The Skull sometimes holds together even after massive damage, also the brain can be jarred around without any damage to the skull if the truma is sufficent.

[zedhatch]

TWDfan1837, on 29 November 2011 - 10:32 PM, said:

Thanks for the clarification. Seems like a crappy cop out for Kirkman and its not really the lack of visible wounds on bodies as much as it was the crash scene.  Part of it looks like a giant pile up but there's other parts where it looks like people stopped before the crash and there cars were fine.  Its probably lack of a budget like you mentioned...i guess they did the best they could with what money they had.

A good point, especially on the one Carl got the tools from.  I think if some thought was put in there his head should have been in the sterring wheel (hiding the trauma and also would have made the budget constraints less as it didn;t need to be as detailed) that;s off the top of my head though, another way is to bust out the side window.

Cars shouldn;t have been a huge issue, Junked cars are easy to get off a junkyard that are damaged but can look like they are in an accendent, granted it is a catch as catch can kind of way of getting what you needm but also would have looked more authentic.

I do wonder if we could find out what exactly happened, it was a mess but there was no clear reason,  oh well, I doubt the webisodes will yeild anything, that would be a high budget kind of thing, but maybe a back story in one of the comics would do it.

[jigrig]

zedhatch, on 29 November 2011 - 10:41 PM, said:

A good point, especially on the one Carl got the tools from.  I think if some thought was put in there his head should have been in the sterring wheel (hiding the trauma and also would have made the budget constraints less as it didn;t need to be as detailed) that;s off the top of my head though, another way is to bust out the side window.

Cars shouldn;t have been a huge issue, Junked cars are easy to get off a junkyard that are damaged but can look like they are in an accendent, granted it is a catch as catch can kind of way of getting what you needm but also would have looked more authentic.

I do wonder if we could find out what exactly happened, it was a mess but there was no clear reason,  oh well, I doubt the webisodes will yeild anything, that would be a high budget kind of thing, but maybe a back story in one of the comics would do it.

How about the guy who hung himself in the woods?
More than likely he died from asphyxiation than a zombie bite, of course he could have been bitten prior to that but I still recall Kirkman saying what applies to the zombies form The Living Dead series applies to his walkers & in Romeros series no matter how you die, you come back unless the brain is destroyed.
So if Your significant other snores this is a great excuse for seperate bedrooms without hurting her feelings, just tell her it's in case she drops dead from some hidden ailment, You don't want her giving you living dead head.
She'll understand.

[theblackboxlies]

jigrig, on 30 November 2011 - 02:39 AM, said:

So if Your significant other snores this is a great excuse for seperate bedrooms without hurting her feelings, just tell her it's in case she drops dead from some hidden ailment, You don't want her giving you living dead head.
She'll understand.

Solid advice right here.

[zedhatch]

jigrig, on 30 November 2011 - 02:39 AM, said:

How about the guy who hung himself in the woods?
More than likely he died from asphyxiation than a zombie bite, of course he could have been bitten prior to that but I still recall Kirkman saying what applies to the zombies form The Living Dead series applies to his walkers & in Romeros series no matter how you die, you come back unless the brain is destroyed.

The hanging zombie had been bit, there was a poem on the tree, can't remember it all but the first to lines were something like "Got bit, fever hit" i don't remember the exact wording of it but quit was in there somewhere.  So in that respect he was bit.

Still you're right about the Living dead series in relation to TWD so in th end it doesn't really matter, but just keeping the facts strait.

[sunonmars]

zedhatch, on 30 November 2011 - 07:00 AM, said:

The hanging zombie had been bit, there was a poem on the tree, can't remember it all but the first to lines were something like "Got bit, fever hit" i don't remember the exact wording of it but quit was in there somewhere.  So in that respect he was bit.

Still you're right about the Living dead series in relation to TWD so in th end it doesn't really matter, but just keeping the facts strait.

I think it was

Got bit
fever hit
world gone to shit
might as well quit.

except the guy didnt know unless he shot himself in the head, he was doomed to roam around til he rotted away to nothing. Suspect there is a lot of suicide zeds out there who did the same.