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So uh has this always been a thing in the comics?


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Hm?


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So uh has this always been a thing in the comics?

 

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Well I doubt it, if it is talking Zombies I'm kind of done even more so than i am now.


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So uh has this always been a thing in the comics?

 

 

I haven't read the comics but I gather that

 

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Ive always thought walkers should have varying levels of intelligence. As long as it doesn’t go overboard. Not full on Land of the dead but slight hints of recognition or using a doorknob would add to tension. Morgans wife kept returning to the house where she died and trying to door, so its not a reversal on cannon just going back to established behavior. In season one a walker used a rock to try to break a window and another tried to climb a fence. Right now a closed door has to be broken down so that gives characters a few seconds to barricade it. If a walker turned the knob while the character was looking for something to use, that would take away the safety net of a door. Even lots of “unintelligent” animals use objects in surprising ways.
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Ive always thought walkers should have varying levels of intelligence. As long as it doesn’t go overboard. Not full on Land of the dead but slight hints of recognition or using a doorknob would add to tension. Morgans wife kept returning to the house where she died and trying to door, so its not a reversal on cannon just going back to established behavior. In season one a walker used a rock to try to break a window and another tried to climb a fence. Right now a closed door has to be broken down so that gives characters a few seconds to barricade it. If a walker turned the knob while the character was looking for something to use, that would take away the safety net of a door. Even lots of “unintelligent” animals use objects in surprising ways.

 

I enjoy the small remnants of humanity left over in their minds, it makes it much creepier for me but talking Zombies just seems odd. Let's hope it's just awful advertising by them and the zombies don't start making tactical plans on how to get the group lol..


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Okay strong spoiler from the comics- like big time spoiler that gives everything away-  but you asked so

 

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Note: I slightly changed the thread title to indicate that there are huge comic spoilers because, thanks to my contribution, there are. :)


Edited by Deadpelican, 06 November 2018 - 02:45 PM.

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I never like walkers understanding for knobs, using rocks, or anything resembling much of a thought process. They should be far dumber than supposed unintelligent animals.

It's in the canon, that is true. To my mind it was a mistake. I like mindless, because it's too short a jump from rudimentary recognition to acknowledging that the dead person isn't really completely gone. Which makes Herschel potentially right. I prefer them completely unconnected to humanity.
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Its ok for Hershel to be right. He was just mistaken that anything can be done about it. Its easier to accept what happens thinking that the real person is gone. But the hard truth may be that there may be something left which is why taking down a former loved one is so hard. Because we dont know if they were already gone.
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Its ok for Hershel to be right. He was just mistaken that anything can be done about it. Its easier to accept what happens thinking that the real person is gone. But the hard truth may be that there may be something left which is why taking down a former loved one is so hard. Because we dont know if they were already gone.

I agree with that, in another show. For this show it was important to the story that the person wad completely gone. If they are not completely gone, than the idea that nothing can be done is forever temporary and a lot of people would be keeping loved ones around while waiting for a change.
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I've never read the comics but in my fanfiction I've always used the idea of intelligent walkers. What would make walkers more scarier than the ability to think. I found that scary as heck and I'm glad to see that is going to be played out on the small screen. Just don't make it like Warm Bodies....eh.


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Intelligent zombies in another universe. TWD I believe will never go that route. I agree intelligent enemies are scarier, but the ultimate monster isn't the goal of TWD. In TWD, the whole point is deconstructing humanity in its base state.
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Just don't make it like Warm Bodies....eh.



Ooohh im sorry! You sat through that?
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The show is about conflict in all its forms and how people react to it. There are only so many ways to cut down a couple slow walkers. To maintain tension we need some surprises. With most of the original cast gone after this season, they need to inject something new
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I guess we disagree on this one. I think your wish would work for what I want, but I think keeping the intelligent threat human works better. Well see how they play it.
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Frank Darabont wanted to put his own little thing with the zombies. The only part I didn't like was the girl who picked up the teddy bear.

I wouldn't mind if they died with the item in hand or maybe somehow grabbed it. However, once the see a person or loving creature they want to rip it apart so they'll open their hands and drop said item.
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I've never read the comics but in my fanfiction I've always used the idea of intelligent walkers. What would make walkers more scarier than the ability to think. I found that scary as heck and I'm glad to see that is going to be played out on the small screen. Just don't make it like Warm Bodies....eh.

 

If they can think they are no longer zombies.

 

Even the Romero films became a joke once they tried to make them more intelligent. There's just no way to pull it off without it being stupid.


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It can go overboard quickly but they can do subtle stuff just to mix it up. No creature in nature acts 100% like the rest of its species, except maybe bacteria or single cell organisms. They should have some variance. Maybe one doesnt groan right before attacking or sees the hole its right about to trip in and goes around it. Maybe switches targets when someone grabs it from behind. They dont need to be “smart”, just not have the brain power of a fence post. Merle had a ton of emotion in a very short scene when Daryl found him. For a second I even wondered if he recognized him. Even if he did, instinct was stronger and took over. Right now they take out walkers like a bunch of red shirts. We need to either fear them or feel sorry them. The amount of money they throw at them, they need a touch more depth.
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Talking Walkers will probably be it for me.

Yes, there was rick use, attempts to climb, picking up teddy bears...some questionable stimulus response actions in season one which they did away with later and could potentially be brought back...

Speaking English is not a rudimentary stimulus response. Neither would that language being understood. I have no idea what this series is planning, but having the walkers use language would absolutely be jumping the shark to me.

It sucked in the 80's films, I can't comprehend how it won't here. You want evil to communicate in language, use the living.

Just my humble opinion.


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Speaking English is not a rudimentary stimulus response. Neither would that language being understood.



Agreed. Any attempts to communicate or use tactics or ride horses is waaay too far.
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If they show talking walkers, wait a bit before making judgement.

 

And if you really want to know.

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