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What did you think of this episode?

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  2. Good (9 votes [39.13%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 39.13%

  3. Fair (7 votes [30.43%] - View)

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Al's questioning uncovers some surprising truths about the group's past; John Dorie receives unexpected news.

 


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The show is a mess at this point honestly. Skipping 2 years of events and character development, telling the story out of order, having episodes like tonights (and presumably next weeks from the looks of that preview) that are 95% flashback and barely advance the main plot at all....jesus.


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I voted excellent because there is actual suspense and post-apocalyptic feel to the show.

I do agree with DGW that the flash backs and out of order story telling is a bit confusing.

Beyond that, why do these guys constantly lay down their weapons when in an unsecured area?

Over all, however, I am looking forward to learning more about what happened at the stadium.
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I voted Good. As a stand alone episode it would have been well into Excellent except the mess leading up to it has just taken the punch out of a lot of what's coming.

 

The back stories were really good, from the water park to Strand and everything Nick thought about in the library. Good tension, excellent characters, developing stories exactly like what I look for in the series!

Even the disappointment that the characters wanted to convince Madison to bail on her people and move on, and/or that as individuals Nick or Strand might. I hate their characters for being those kind of people, but it would have been a minor complaint and completely within the series reality and appropriate. As well as the regret leading them to become the type that bail or prey on others from now on. Bad Peeps again, like before.

The fractured storytelling made it hard to know at certain points which timeline I was in again (not as bad this week though), and knowing Nick is dead made his story development and interest in his character insignificant to me. Now we know Naomi isn't Naomi, or is more to someone else...but also that she is dead? It looks like a bottle episode next week chronicling her time with Jon. It better be for his character's development, because I am not excited about trying to enjoy a character who's already dead and gone. Like the stadium. I already know it's fallen, so I'm not really that interested in the details as a full series storyline. Naomi's identity was a great reveal in a great episode. It's just that it could have been Excellent!

And of course, no answer on Madison and her fate. If I had to guess, the Vultures release the dead into the stadium (that they captured-the weenie scene had them being very audible), Naomi dies, people separate and leave, and Madison gets captured but no one will say that to SWAT Journalist. So it's not just revenge- it's rescue.

Or they got Madison and it's revenge, to which my immediate and first thought is 'whatever'. The nick burial site being a stash and the stuff that followed didn't grab me either, except for the Jon reveal.

This episode was Excellent, except it's context was damaged by the delivery method being used this season. So...I downgrade it to a Good.


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You know when you think someone has an interesting story to tell so you listen, but they keep meandering and going on and on and on? Yeah, that's what this season is like so far for me. You keep hoping that the payoff will be worth it, but the longer the story goes on, the less likely it will have much of an impact.

 

There were a few moments of suspense. When Alicia and Laura got to the top of the slide and the zombies jumped out, it startled me and I felt the tension. That is something I haven't felt with TWD in a long while. Speaking of Laura, I started figuring out who she was fairly early into the episode, so I liked that as well.

 

The new characters are interesting and they've (currently) got me going along for the ride, but I still feel like it was a mistake to tell the story in this way.


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I went ahead and voted "good" for this one. 

 

Skipping around in time like they do is not something I am crazy about but I basically think that it worked here. 

 

So it looks like this is all happening now that the vultures have taken the stadium or somehow caused it to fall.  That , would explain why Nick was so bloodthirsty. It doesn't explain why the vulture didn't see it coming at all. 


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Yeah not a big fan of flashbacks,in fact i am not a big fan of TWD  writing,they need to learn to end a plot/story in 4 or less episodes,they have this lame way of making stories drag on for so long and fill it in between with days of our lives.they have had 4 episodes to let us viewers know what is going on with the stadium and vultures and so far we know half the story and are still guessing what is going on,at this rate it will be episode 8 before anything happens,we see them load  firearms and ammo tonight,but it may be 3 weeks of flashbacks before the real time action begins ....not a big fan at all.

 

Positives were at least we got to see apocalyptic word with ruins  like the nursery,water park and library it's great to see new places in FTWD and not just one base like the stadium.


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I actually enjoyed the flashbacks, it was nice to get some more of what happened prior to the stadium falling. But what sucked was we really didn't learn anything significant, and we'll probably have to wait at least 2 more episodes to find out what the heck happened.

 

Also what exactly was Alicia and Naomi's plan at the water park? Jump into the water with a dozen zombies.......and??? You'd think for both being *experienced* survivors, they would have come up with a better plan then *Lets just wing it!* lol :wallmad: . This really bothers me tbh, kinda like that guy (forgot his name) who wen't on the run with Strand. He acted like he had never dealt with a Zombie before. I'm all for making Zombies a threat again, but this guy was worse then the Alexandrians on their first time outside the walls lol. People like this SHOULD not be sent on 2 man runs. Your partner is supposed to be someone you can rely on to watch your back, not someone you have to babysit.

 

Speaking of which. Naomi has almost died twice, to walkers, in the little time that we've seen of her. How the heck did she ever make it on her own, and why the heck would she think she could? Still doubt shes dead though, she probably just got surrounded and will pop back up later and reveal shes the secret leader of The Vultures...Yeah just throwing that out there now so I can say I predicted it first :zombiethumbsup:.

 

Oh and I still think The Vultures are the dumbest group we've ever seen, and them still being alive makes zero sense, but I've said enough on that already...

 

Overall though I voted good. I just hope next weeks bottle episode isn't to bad, because so far the cowboy has been the least interesting of the new characters imo.


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I voted good. I think the story telling is a side effect of having to shoe horn Morgan into the show, and it's not my ideal way to follow a story, but for the most part they are making it work so far. I don't like that what happened after the dam has been treated as if it never happened. It would seem to me that would be a part of the "how did you get here" question.


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Voted Poor again. Worse than last week's.

 

These timelines are relentless, unnecessary, and serve to pad out a dull storyline. They're especially jarring given the mostly linear story we've had up until now. 

  • The sheer amount of cuts between the present and the past made my eyes hurt. The only time they used this effectively is when they had Alicia, Strand, and Luciana each proclaim that they wish they'd left. But these flashbacks are mutilating the episode rather than enhancing it. Imagine if every time you tried to finish a sentence, you had to pause every three words to explain what a word meant. That's how the flashbacks felt this episode.
     
  • I'm finding it hard to care about Naomi or Madison or any of the past timeline characters since the show has already told me that they're dead (I can't see any reason for Alicia, Nick, or Strand to be this ruthless if they WEREN'T dealing with loss; I don't think this is going to be like LOST where Naomi and John reunite, I'll be surprised if they do and questioning why the show wasted so much time obscuring her survival).
     
  • Comparatively, Daniel's flashback last season was easy to follow. We had an episode prior that shocked us with Daniel being alive, and then another that set up his new position at the dam. How we evolved from that, to this mish-mash "here's what the Clarks were doing some unknown time after the dam, now let's jump to another totally different character where he meets up with them some time after the baseball diamond" I'll never know.

The characters this season:

  • I was pleasantly surprised that they hadn't made Luciana into "Wonder Woman" or "She-Ra" like they did with Madison and Alicia. She and Strand are both horrible people who want to ditch Team Madison. These are great character flaws.
     
  • I don't know why Luciana went from "I want to leave" to "I want to kill them all" but does anyone really freaking care? I'd assume it's because Team Diamond got slaughtered by "vultures" but the show doesn't seem interested in telling or even showing me if that's true.
     
  • And what's with Strand this season? The man's been defined as a smooth-talker and a coward. From what I understood this episode, he was ready to abandon the Clarks and run off with a food stash. The Vultures must have really messed with him and Nick if they've become this murderous. Sure would be nice if the show would tell me why but no, we've probably 3-4 more episodes to slog through before we finally get an answer.
     
  • Everyone complained about Negan being a cartoon. Althea, the cowboy, and the Vulture leader aren't any better.
     
  • The reveal that Naomi was John's wife was surprising, but again, I'm finding it hard to care that she's dead, and hard to believe that she isn't, unless the Vultures kidnapped and enslaved her and Team Strand-Nick-Alicia-Luciana were made to believe she was dead. Imagine how dumb the reveal's going to be when we find out "oh wait, Madison and Naomi weren't actually dead."
     
  • What happened to Daniel, Diana, and Proctor John? 

The Walkers:

  • Damn things are in the DARNDEST of places. First a silo, and now a water slide.
     
  • These are legit the first survivors I've ever seen almost bite it at a WATER PARK to a bunch of zombies trapped inside of a SLIDE. Like what the hell.
     
  • How did that walker Luciana and Nick saw even get caught in there?

The episode's plot:

  • The gang rides off to bury Nick. Althea does interviews WAY TOO SOON and we find out that Strand, Alicia, and Luciana have foregone all prior character development and decided to become Terminator 2 Sarah Connor, burying guns in the desert and plotting to assassinate characters the plot has barely introduced us to.
     
  • Meanwhile in the past timeline - turns out most of the main characters are dicks. Nick and Luciana come up with a plan to outlast the Vultures (but surprise, it goes wrong). Strand wants to abandon the Clarks and ride off with his new love interest but decides not to. Alicia and Naomi go to a park and f'cking fall down a slide into a pile of walkers, and this incident gives Naomi the courage to open up a medical station. Madison talks with the Vulture leader and even she gets  bored with his backstory (when MADISON is bored with you, you KNOW you're boring).
     
  • And you know, rather than tell these stories separately and coherently, somebody took a pair of scissors and cut it into bits.

TWD:

  • Madison's suddenly more heroic this season? Check.
  • Panicky new character fucks up in the fourth season? Check.
  • Walkers in improbable locations? Check.
  • Episode spent walking around and talking about the dullest of subjects? Check.
  • Annoying flashbacks? Check.
  • Ridiculous antagonist that the heroes refuse to shoot despite them standing out in the open? Check.
  • Smart characters getting ignored? Check.
  • Big character death for shock value that scarcely matters? Check.

Legit, all we're missing are Morgan's "you know how it is," and walkers teleporting into a small enclosed spaces to create tension.

 

Overall:

 

It feels like all of the worst elements of TWD have moved over to this show. There's temptation to be a little more forgiving with this show because it had an EXCELLENT third season, a real turn-around from its first and second, and because it's not following a set course and there's a "chance" it could be going somewhere. Problem is, it really isn't. It's getting more convoluted with each episode.

 

I feel like it's all on the showrunner. The mood of this show is different. Innovation is important but it's not innovating in a way that's refreshing or in anyway charming. Erickson told a much tighter, more surprising story last season.

 

I'm definitely jaded because of all of the criticism of the Walking Dead's past three seasons, but it's because I acknowledge the flaws in that show that I'm extra harsh on this, particularly because they're the same flaws. This show needs to do better. And I know that it's done better. But it's concerning because this is the same thing that happened with TWD - the original showrunner jumped ship and everything went downhill from there.

 

I haven't given up on TWD yet so I doubt I'll give up on this. But if they continue on the way they've been I'm officially putting this back in the "guilty pleasure" cabinet.


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  • How did that walker Luciana and Nick saw even get caught in there?

 

 

The answer to this is he committed suicide. Nick checked it's body and found slit wrists.

 

To acknowledge the rest of your post about elements of TWD making its way into this show, that does seem to be true. It's no secret that Gimple is now an EP on Fear, a move we feared would drag down a show that was just starting to get good. While I still like the show and think it's good, and much better than TWD is, there is no doubt that Gimple's fingerprints are all over season 4. But I still think Fear is the better show, which isn't saying much since TWD is a near dumpster fire at this point. But it's not just better, I do genuinely like season 4 so far for the most part.


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"I'm finding it hard to care about Naomi or Madison or any of the past timeline characters since the show has already told me that they're dead (I can't see any reason for Alicia, Nick, or Strand to be this ruthless if they WEREN'T dealing with loss"

 

This summed up my feelings perfectly.  I already know the future. How many more episodes will I have to see it happen?

 

Also, I don't think Naomi and John are married. I think he would have known her real name if they were.

It seems the guy in the library tied himself up and than killed himself. He must have known he would turn and didn't want to hurt anyone.

 

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Why was the slide still slimy with algae?

As said above. Why would anyone climb into a pool of trapped walkers?

Did they take the time to go back and get the machine gun at the top of the slide? That would be quite helpful I think.

Why was the library empty of books? Who steals books from a library during a zombie apocalypse?

I noticed they could say Nick was dead in the van, but they did not say Madison was dad.  That seemed to be on purpose.

 

I voted fair


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I thought it was very watchable, but like everybody else the flashback effect is wearing thin.  Flashbacks are not effective if they are providing back story for two dead characters, plus one more that is probably dead.

 

Presumably, out of the original cast we have now lost Madison??, Nick, Curtis and Chris, Ofelia, Daniel??.  There is an ever increasing hole to fill.

 

Main characters left:

Alicia - the new lead by default

Victor - mainly looks out for himself, except mostly loyal to Madison when it benefits him

Luciana - never loyal to anybody except Nick, but she left him once to be on her own.

Morgan - wandered in from the wrong universe, and just waiting for his leg to heal before moving on.

John - seems like a good guy, but no connections to anybody

Althea - "What's your story?"

 

And the show somehow expects to mold this bunch of mostly loner types into a cohesive group?  That will be an accomplishment.


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The answer to this is he committed suicide. Nick checked it's body and found slit wrists.

 

To acknowledge the rest of your post about elements of TWD making its way into this show, that does seem to be true. It's no secret that Gimple is now an EP on Fear, a move we feared would drag down a show that was just starting to get good. While I still like the show and think it's good, and much better than TWD is, there is no doubt that Gimple's fingerprints are all over season 4. But I still think Fear is the better show, which isn't saying much since TWD is a near dumpster fire at this point. But it's not just better, I do genuinely like season 4 so far for the most part.

 

That's fair. I wish I was. I guess I'll have to direct all of my anger toward Gimple to preserve my own sanity.  

 

I missed part of the scene where Nick and Luciana came in, but I remember the walker being stuck out of reach, and I didn't see any holes in the ceiling or anything. How it actually got "stuck" in there is a mystery to me, so I'll have to rewatch that scene.

 

"I'm finding it hard to care about Naomi or Madison or any of the past timeline characters since the show has already told me that they're dead (I can't see any reason for Alicia, Nick, or Strand to be this ruthless if they WEREN'T dealing with loss"

 

This summed up my feelings perfectly.  I already know the future. How many more episodes will I have to see it happen?

 

Also, I don't think Naomi and John are married. I think he would have known her real name if they were.

 

It seems the guy in the library tied himself up and than killed himself. He must have known he would turn and didn't want to hurt anyone.

 

I noticed they could say Nick was dead in the van, but they did not say Madison was dad.  That seemed to be on purpose

 

Normally I don't even mind "seeing the future", I think that can be a great tool for creating dread. 

 

I messed up on the detail about John and Naomi/Laura. I misheard what he said when he found the gun. Still, I appreciate how they were setting up that thread between the past and present.

 

I should question why that guy in the library tied himself up and killed himself, but I've asked similar questions about why the wolves don't have a guns, or why the Governor found a bunch of mutilated corpses with words like "liar" placed on them. Some people in this post-apocalyptic world are just messed up.

 

There's definitely tension there - like what horrible position could Madison be in if she's not here with her family, but not dead either, and Alicia and Nick only had the intention of slaughtering the Vultures and not rescuing her?


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Why do the Vultures want the stadium? The people inside are starving while the Vultures seem to have plenty of food. The Vultures are just sitting around waiting for those inside to fail, in order to do what? By the time the stadium goes down, there won't be anything left to steal, while the Vultures are going through their own supplies. Anything the people inside have can be found outside. The Vultures don't maintain any kind of economic model that is remotely self-sustaining.


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Why do the Vultures want the stadium? The people inside are starving while the Vultures seem to have plenty of food. The Vultures are just sitting around waiting for those inside to fail, in order to do what? By the time the stadium goes down, there won't be anything left to steal, while the Vultures are going through their own supplies. Anything the people inside have can be found outside. The Vultures don't maintain any kind of economic model that is remotely self-sustaining.

Agreed. What is in the stadium that the Vultures would want/need?  

 

I think maybe its supposed to be this:

The Vultures are shadowing the crew or intercepting their communications so they can loot places that Madison's group scout out. We've seen that a couple times. Maybe the idea is that they let other people do the work, then just swoop in and take the stuff. But we didn't see them do that with the water park. 

 

I'm afraid the Vultures just don't work as a concept. And the giant motorized convoy (actually all the Mad Max infinite gas stuff going on) is unsustainable. 

 

Of course, maybe the Vultures only SAY that is what they are doing, but in fact will turn out to be something different.

 

Finally, what are they doing with the collected walkers? Where do they take them? Why do they put of flags afterward with the number they took?


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This may have been my favorite episode of this series so far. I don't mind the flashbacks. 

 

There is a big unaccounted for gap after the dam, and I'm just fine if it stays that way. The show was kind of tedious, and I am glad if they abandoned that plot. But we do kind of miss whatever the deal was with Proctor John and his group. I seem to remember there being mention of going to Texas from him, though.

 

Is it possible that Madison is still alive, but that she's actually JOINED the Vultures? 

 

Having Althea record stories makes an easy narrative tool for showing these extended flashbacks. I like it. And i like seeing some new settings with zombies. But if I were going to try to loot the water park, I would easily have spent an extra 20 minutes killing all the walkers (waders?) in the pool. There weren't that many. If you had a decent spear you could just walk around the outside and have the job done quickly. So much safer then. I think a sharp spear would be my tool of choice for scavenging, with a belt knife for close-in stuff. 

 

I like John. We learned he used to be a cop. He seems like a natural survivor, but also has a kind heart. The relationship with him and Morgan has potential. 

 

I agree with the comments that character development for Nick is kind of wasted. The flashbacks of a character we know is dead make the story-telling have to work a different way. 


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I was thinking the same thing. Maybe the crew is going back to kill Madison who went crazy and joined the vultures :P


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Dumb Observation List:

 

Why was the slide still slimy with algae?

As said above. Why would anyone climb into a pool of trapped walkers?

Did they take the time to go back and get the machine gun at the top of the slide? That would be quite helpful I think.

Why was the library empty of books? Who steals books from a library during a zombie apocalypse?

I noticed they could say Nick was dead in the van, but they did not say Madison was dad.  That seemed to be on purpose.

 

The slide bothered me too, although there might be a good size pool of stagnant water at the bottom. I assume that there is just enough rain to make it slippery once in awhile. We just didn't see that maybe?

I can't fathom why they left the machine gun and ammo behind, unless they just had enough adventure for one day and decided it might make a good future stash.

The only sense I can make of books being plundered is that they would make good kindling or (in a pinch) toilet paper.

I felt the van thing was playing us. Luciana and Alicia say Nick's name, Strand says his friend died. That might be their too-clever allusion to Madison or his Love Interest or something. Either way, the difference in wording was enough to irritate me.

My other thought today- he keeps a piece of dam in his pocket to remind him not to be what he was, but he preps an escape car with colony supplies which they need and tries to bail on them in a time of danger. I guess he's splitting hairs.


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The slide bothered me too, although there might be a good size pool of stagnant water at the bottom. I assume that there is just enough rain to make it slippery once in awhile. We just didn't see that maybe?

I can't fathom why they left the machine gun and ammo behind, unless they just had enough adventure for one day and decided it might make a good future stash.

The only sense I can make of books being plundered is that they would make good kindling or (in a pinch) toilet paper.

I felt the van thing was playing us. Luciana and Alicia say Nick's name, Strand says his friend died. That might be their too-clever allusion to Madison or his Love Interest or something. Either way, the difference in wording was enough to irritate me.

My other thought today- he keeps a piece of dam in his pocket to remind him not to be what he was, but he preps an escape car with colony supplies which they need and tries to bail on them in a time of danger. I guess he's splitting hairs.

Actually, books would (should) be an incredibly valuable resource for several reasons. 1) Learning survival skills. 2) Without any television or social media, reading would be one of the best ways to pass the time. 3) Preserving history and knowledge should be a top priority. 4) Educating (or even entertaining) children.

 

The premise is that these people aren't just trying to survive, but want to get to a place where they thrive. Rebuilding society.  


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Finally, what are they doing with the collected walkers? Where do they take them? Why do they put of flags afterward with the number they took?

 

I say they use the walkers as weapons to drive people away and then take their stuff.


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Why do the Vultures want the stadium? The people inside are starving while the Vultures seem to have plenty of food. The Vultures are just sitting around waiting for those inside to fail, in order to do what? By the time the stadium goes down, there won't be anything left to steal, while the Vultures are going through their own supplies. Anything the people inside have can be found outside. The Vultures don't maintain any kind of economic model that is remotely self-sustaining.

Hot showers maybe?  That's all I got.


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I watch the show for entertainment, I try not to let any details get in the way....BUT.....this eps was fair at best...I was glad new characters have joined the show, but Althea and what’s your story, is now old. And Strand’s our good deed deserves a good deed, I saw no trust, and then when they say I can’t trust you, they still go with them. I was just saying, enough already, if you don’t trust them move on, period. Do you wanna come with us to fight? Fight what? A guy BBQ’ing hot dogs? So far the vultures are just another group that wants to take over nothing....the crops are dead, and they can’t grow anything else in the infield, move on, give the stadium to the vultures....move on already.

When I saw the nurse, yeah! I’m a nurse, I can relate....yes sometimes you can tell who will live or die (where I work we do have a lot of deaths). But nope, can’t relate with this one....either she is sadistic or will help, so far neither....

Where’s Walker? That was the best storyline, Native Americans want their land back....did I miss something? Walker left but I thought Walker and his friend were just scouting....

So the nurse and the cowboy...I can see attachment fast, world is dying, a living person of the opposite sex needs saving....the cowboy has the Galahad Syndrome....that makes sense.....BUT its short lived

I don’t know, I was excited to see Morgan cross over....maybe he could help these people, he’s seen a lot, but no, Morgan is just whining, I can’t kill, I can’t hold a grudge...blah blah blah....I wish Daryl would have moved over, at least he would have some lines!

I want this to get better.....I’m tired of seeing a group of bad people take over the good people, doesn’t anyone want to join forces and survive? I was sad to see Nick go (did they make sure he wouldn’t become a zombie?). I didn’t expect that, I thought they shot the guy Nick killed....oh well...I’ll still watch in hopes it will get better
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I'm still really enjoying this season and I love the non-linear story-telling. Watching Nick and others who I now know are dead harms the story in no way to me. There is a lot of mystery and that mystery has been very compelling to me.

The Vultures so far are an inexplicably inane idea- but I push that aside. It's not that I'm over it- it's the reason I simply cannot vote excellent so far. It's just too dumb. Perhaps there's an undisclosed item that makes them make sense, but right now it's weird. They get absolutely nothing out of their siege, and as the siege goes on it makes no sense that team Clark doesn't just snipe them all to hell. Since the Vultures are essentially trying to starve the stadium, and someone starving my kids gets killed. So the whole thing is dumb, and I push it aside.

Once I let that go, I like the character drama. Lot's of mystery, explorations of desperation, love, trust, and fear. Characters who make mistakes, have regrets, and keep giving up then trying again. I really like all that, and the acting has been very good.

I'm not remotely confused by the time changes, I think Morgan has great chemistry with the gang, and the new characters flesh out a cast that needed the lift.

It's also not overpopulated with characters like TWD. And the characters are in an apocalypse that feels real. That matters. The cinematography and settings are very good.


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I'm starting to wonder do people have unreachable high expectations for both shows at this point.

A really good/excellent episode. Good storytelling, great acting, great suspense and the bait that'll keep me interested as to what led to where they are, why the girl killed Nick (I'm guessing the Vulture he killed was related to her/caring for her)


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