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I don't understand why the writers made it seem like Maggie didn't give a crap about her sister. She didn't say anything about finding Beth.


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Well I don't think she's even mentioned Hershel either, I assumed they wanted to make it seem it was a coping mechanism for her.


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I don't understand why the writers made it seem like Maggie didn't give a crap about her sister. She didn't say anything about finding Beth.

I do agree that all the survivors would be talking about their loved ones more often. Tyreese hasn't mentioned Sasha either. No one has mentioned Rick, Michonne, Carl or Judith.

 

I would have thought that once Glenn and Maggie reunited they would have started asking each other (including Bob and Sasha) questions like, "Do you see Beth get out?"  "Did you see anyone die?" etc. etc.

 

I don't know if we are supposed to believe that many are suffering from PTSD (and I'm sure they are) and they are all certainly sleep deprived at this point, but I do agree that it was a mistake by the writers not to have each group of survivors talk about the other groups.

 

This isn't a spoiler, so the thread will be moved to the S4 forum. :)


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Well I don't think she's even mentioned Hershel either, I assumed they wanted to make it seem it was a coping mechanism for her.

Maggie knows Hershel is dead
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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Agree. It irks me even more that tyrese is getting all soft and sentimental over a woman he knew for a few months yet never once mentioned Sasha. When he talked about his dream about Karen it made me roll my eyes.
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@ Jesus Monroe, Yeah, I know Maggie knows her father is dead, but when my father died it was kind of all that I could talk about or rather cry about for the next few weeks, ok months. To clarify, I meant that Maggie assumes Beth is probably dead like Hershel and that she isn't talking about either one of them because she doesn't have the luxury of processing her guilt while trying to survive on the road.


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@ Jesus Monroe, Yeah, I know Maggie knows her father is dead, but when my father died it was kind of all that I could talk about or rather cry about for the next few weeks, ok months. To clarify, I meant that Maggie assumes Beth is probably dead like Hershel and that she isn't talking about either one of them because she doesn't have the luxury of processing her guilt while trying to survive on the road.

I understand, but when Maggie has just as much reason to assume that Beth is dead as she did with Glenn. She didn't see Glenn die and didn't find a body, so she held on to the hope that he might be alive, left messages for him, and tried to find him. She couldn't stop talking about him and he was the only thing on her mind.

 

She didn't see Beth's body or see her get killed and Maggie just thinks, "eh"


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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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"we've all got jobs to do, beth. Yours is staying on that bus"

"well fuck you then, I quit"

"FINE! SEE IF I CARE"

A deleted scene I expect to see eventually 


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I understand, but when Maggie has just as much reason to assume that Beth is dead as she did with Glenn. She didn't see Glenn die and didn't find a body, so she held on to the hope that he might be alive, left messages for him, and tried to find him. She couldn't stop talking about him and he was the only thing on her mind.

 

She didn't see Beth's body or see her get killed and Maggie just thinks, "eh"

 

Probably just because she knew Glenn was on the bus, and then didn't find him on it when they came across it. Beth she knows literally nothing about. At least with Glenn she had a starting point, a reason to believe he was alive.


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Maybe we are supposed to assume there have been off stage conversations which is a cheat. I did feel it was completely out of character for Maggie not to ask about Beth once she found Glenn.  I could see that she was focused on Glenn after the bus which I didn’t like but could accept but as soon as she found Glenn, she should have asked if he had seen what happened to her sister or anyone else for that matter.  As they join up wouldn’t you want to confirm what members of your ‘family’ were definitely dead? 

 

I agree it’s a mistake that no one seems to care too much about anyone else, Tyreese would not have brought it up with the girls, that I get but Carol said she had been there, he should have asked about Sasha, or at least mentioned her rather than hanging on only to his sorrow over Karen. 

 

Ah Sasha about the only one who seems to be realistically dealing with it in a stressful way, they have shown she is trying to compartmentalize to keep from worrying, if she doesn’t know her brother isn’t dead.  Daryl has also been true to character, they'er dead and if not we will never find them, that’s it move on and don’t dwell.  And I’ll give Carl credit for being disturbed over Judith’s formula, they absolutely believe she is dead and are at least sad about it. 

 

There have been a lot of opportunities where the fate of the others could have been mentioned, even in passing if the characters did not want to dwell on it, which would be understandable, it is too bad those chances were missed.


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It should be presumed that everyone cares about everyone else. A short dialog with each group would have sufficed, but I take it as presumed. Maggie has been painted as tunnel visioned and driven- one goal, and all effort into that goal. It works for her I think. She had a lead with Glenn and went with it.

 

Tyreese not talking about Sasha is more bizarre, but then again children HAVE to take precedence. He was in no position to go looking for anyone. Safety first. I assume his worries were portrayed off screen.


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I always get a kick out of movies involving apocalypses or disasters because everyone seems to be an unattached orphan, sometimes with a spouse and one kid or sometimes a single friend. Nobody has an extended family they love or anyone else they are frantically trying to find or protect. Nobody really grieves when they lose everyone. I get it – it would clutter up the narrative but it’s not real.

I think one reason that TWD started well into the ZA was partly to get past all that.

I wouldn't call it a plot hole or a major error, but clearly the writers missed the boat with Maggie and Beth and Sasha and Tyreese. To me it's more an oversight but does it matter that much anyway?
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I don't think it matters that much in terms of the story, but more in terms of character consistency - after they left the farm, Maggie was freaking out about finding Hershel and Beth, but now she says nothing? Tyreese was super worried about Sasha being ill, but says nothing about whether she made it out of the prison alive, just keeps obsessing over his dead GF? It just seems inconsistent. And Daryl assuming everyone was dead is out of character as well, particularly after the majority made it off the farm when they were overrun.

 

Now, to be fair, an argument could be made that Maggie was focusing on Glenn because she had a solid lead with him, and went into tunnel-vision mode as a coping mechanism - that would be understandable. But once they met up, would she not at least ask whether anyone had seen Beth? And Daryl - an argument could be made that the prison attack was just the last straw, he was tired of losing people and the attack killed the last of his optimism. But hello, Beth made it out, and she was the weakest link! Plus Beth knew a busload took off, so they could assume that there was at least a possibility that some made it out alive.

 

My gut feeling is that the answers to a lot of these observations lay on the cutting room floor, and that other bits the writers had to write  a certain way to merge into the new storylines (e.g. Beth and Daryl's fighting/bonding). But it's interesting to note this kind of stuff.


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I don’t have any problem believing Daryl would react this way, Beth even points out that he has just shut down, its BS but it is how he is coping.   He has had enough, enough of losing everyone, in fact it might even make more sense of why he is ok with Joe’s group, besides the obvious better than being alone.  These are people he does not have to get attached to, he won’t be in danger of building friendship/loyalties, he is big on protecting kids and women that won’t be an issue with these guys, he can take them or leave them so no more getting hurt. 

 

Maggie and Tyreese are my biggest issues, she would have asked about Beth it’s just a jarring inconsistency.  But I suspect you are right Clinda, much of this has been cut for other reasons, like 30 minutes of wandering around the woods brooding, but one line each would have made it less annoying.


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I agree with the OP. Beth was the reason Maggie left the bus in the first place. She left Glenn and went to find Beth and even now has yet to even mention her in passing. They could have easily filmed Bob, Sasha, and Maggie talking about the fall of the prison and mentioned Beth and Tyreese. It would have been a believable conversation. 


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I have to agree with all above as it is unrealistic that they wouldn't be asking one another and putting together the pieces of what happened esp. with Maggie/Beth and Ty/Sasha. In fact the other mistake was sort of having Glenn lie to Maggie about who Tara was as she may have seen more than just watching her sister being overtaken by walkers she may have seen a few of the others fleeing but now we will never know.
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I just went back to check Inmates, and Maggie does mention Beth, one of the first things she mentions, in fact. She says she couldn't find Beth but she knows Glenn got out with the bus and she knows where the bus went, and she goes after it. That's the main reason she's so focused on finding Glenn, even moreso after seeing he's not in the bus, she's certain he must have survived. She lost track of where Beth might have gone and, thinking about it from her point of view, she's likely dead.


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Quite frankly

The whole back half has been riddled with errors, plotholes and mistakes, moronic and non-survivor type behavior 

Regarding this particular error maybe it can be redeemed if Maggie says when she finally finds beth

"i thought I saw you die at the prison" or something


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I don't believe there have been error, plot holes, mistakes etc. The always, always answer dangling questions.


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I think Maggie is just too focused on finding Glenn right now. Some people will just box up awful trauma like that as they can't deal with it just yet. I've done this myself after a miscarriage. I spent two full weeks not even bothered by it, and like nothing bad had happened. Then boom, total meltdowns and it hit me very hard. I think it was just a defense mechanism kicking in. 

 

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Dialogue wouldve been nice but everyone cares about everyone. Of course theyre all worried about who made it, who didnt, whos alive, whos lost, thats a given. There should have def been more questions tho, obviously that would have been the first thoughts after meeting up, "did u see anyone die? Did u see anyone make it out?" Etc
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Okay. I'm throwing my two cents in. I am both a sister and have been married. I adore my brother and he loves me very much as well. However, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that if a ZA happened, my brother would be worried about his wife and daughters, not me. During the Gov fight, Maggie left Glenn on the bus. She took care of Glenn first. THEN she went to find Beth. When both Beth and Glenn were gone, her first priority was Glenn and she focused all of her energy and will on finding him. Now that she has found him, she will focus on finding Beth.

 

Even before my divorce when things were definitely NOT good with my husband and me, I would have devoted my time to finding my husband, not my brother. I think that is just a mentality you have as a mother and spouse; your children, then your spouse, are your first concerns. Then your parents and siblings and friends. I think Maggie's obsession was very realistic.


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Okay. I'm throwing my two cents in. I am both a sister and have been married. I adore my brother and he loves me very much as well. However, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that if a ZA happened, my brother would be worried about his wife and daughters, not me. During the Gov fight, Maggie left Glenn on the bus. She took care of Glenn first. THEN she went to find Beth. When both Beth and Glenn were gone, her first priority was Glenn and she focused all of her energy and will on finding him. Now that she has found him, she will focus on finding Beth.

 

Even before my divorce when things were definitely NOT good with my husband and me, I would have devoted my time to finding my husband, not my brother. I think that is just a mentality you have as a mother and spouse; your children, then your spouse, are your first concerns. Then your parents and siblings and friends. I think Maggie's obsession was very realistic.

 

 

That is a very, very good point. When you marry (or are with your forever partner if you don't believe in marriage or whatever), that person becomes your immediate family and they come before anyone else. Look at how the series started. Rick's first thought was his wife and son, not his parents or any siblings he may have.


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That's fair. I don't think anyone was suggesting that she should have focused on Beth instead of Glenn - it was more surprise that she was SO focused on Glenn and didn't really seem to be worrying about Beth at all. As has been said though, I'm sure its a defence mechanism - you can only find one at a time. I just thought it would have been mentioned once she and Glenn found each other.


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They were too busy having "just found each other in a ZA" sex. 


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