Ground Floor - Why?

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I think what they were trying to portray was the concept of finally being able to rest; to let ones guard down after some harsh days. By this point they'd been on the road for days, moving a lot and sleeping little. I think in the timeline thread, we'd established that this was probably at least 5 days in, keeping in mind that we've no idea how long Daryl was teaching Beth tracking before she stepped in the trap, so it could be longer. Unfortunately, while I get what they were going for, I don't think it came across well, as everyone seemed to find their behaviour at the mortuary to be unlikely (well, Daryl's, anyway). Or maybe we're overanalyzing, and just need to accept that even the most competent might eventually drop the ball once or twice.

 

Poor Daryl - first time he buggers up and we're all over him for it ;)

 

 

ETA: I don't think anyone is necessarily surprised the walkers showed up, with the music and the lights; but it seems extremely odd that they'd be so quiet. They've only really been shown to be that quiet when there is nothing attracting their attention.

 

EATA: Wasn't the piano playing the previous night? The night the walkers showed up they were just sitting in the kitchen, eating and having a 'moment'.


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Yeah, I'd be learning how to climb some trees - Michonne style. haha

 

This is exactly what I would be doing!  I was going to say what the poster said below...Katniss style!!

 

I like the idea of sleeping in the trunk of cars.  At least you know zombies can't get you and its very doubtful any human would give the car a second glance.  I thought Bob did a pretty good job during his flashback of sleeping safely (on top of truck and in that pipe with a makeshift gate). 

 

A tent or the tin cans strung around trees don't do it for me.  At least rope yourself into a tree like Katniss!!

 

Totally agreed.  And, by making sure you have nearby close trees to get to - or be in a tree house.  

 

I would not be on the ground sleeping - no way.  Even with the noise makers strung up.  I would want shelter first, a vehicle second, and then a tree with other trees close by, way before sleeping on the ground.  And, as far as sleeping on the first floor - I wouldn't feel comfortable with that as well.  I would be up on the second floor and barricade the stairs.  I also would make sure the house had an escape route for me that would be easy to do.  Jumping off the roof of the porch is a bit risky!!  


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It's funny because anytime I have a critique like that I sit back and think 'oh that's right I didn't write the comic so I should probably shut up' lol  But I too am always thinking these 'what would I do things and why aren't they doing this? or that.  So here's my 2 cents.  My immediate thought is always.. why the hell haven't they left Georgia??  2 years wandering in circles really?? And part of that is the humorous side of me always pictures them wandering into a different state and it's perfectly normal and they're like 'well f*ck why didn't we just drive to Kansas to begin with?!!'  In all seriousness as for shelter I always did picture going to a less populated state (less walkers) where they are more easily visible with a water source and grow crops.  I never understood staying that close to a large city.  But I would not feel comfortable sleeping outside on the ground, Daryl's shoe getting chewed on in the Chupacabra episode was so unrealistic.  The walker would have and should have been eating him when he was passed out.  The only reason it wasn't, is because he's...well..Daryl.


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I think the idea is supposed to be that it's easier to deal with known threats, than unknown - they were tracking the herds for a while, if I recall correctly from the beginning of season three. They had no way of knowing whether other states would be better or worse off, but they would know less about them either way. Other states obviously wouldn't be "normal" according to Jenner from the CDC, since he knew it was global and affecting literally everywhere before the communications were shut off. I agree that it's odd they stayed so close to Atlanta, but then on the other hand, you have a better chance of finding provisions in a higher populated area (particularly in winter which it seems to have been between seasons 2 and 3) and then of course they found the prison and were therefore invincible ;)


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Since the subject of this thread is about safe sleeping quarters and we already have a thread on Water & Power, I will be merging the posts discussing that subject here. Please continue that discussion in that thread. :zombiethumbsup:

 

Thank you! :)


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I thought they were wandering in circles after they were run off the farm because they kept running into, and turning to avoid, large herds.    Where are now isn't entirely clear.   Possibly its some place a little to the south and west of Atlanta.    Am deducing this because (1) they did not head for the coast, as T-Dog wanted to do running from the farm or as Michonne later proposed to Andrea;  (2) later during her review of the map to see where to search next for the Governor,  Michonne a line due south (well, maybe a little southeast) to Macon; and (3) didn't the terminus map with all the lines show them running to a point that looked pretty far South in Georgia?

 

Seems to me there is no easy answer to what floor to sleep  on inside a house.  I don't get why,  with all the houses and buildings around, any of them would be wandering and sleeping in the woods, as they have been.   It shouldn't be that hard to find some kind of wooden or brick walls, even dilapidated, to put between themselves and wallkers.    I sure wouldn't be burning a house down like Beth and Darryl did.


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They came right out and said it in episode 1 of season three that they went in circles due to herds. 

 

I wouldn't be hard to wall off a very small town with abandoned vehicles, because gasoline never goes bad and all television cars are easy to hotwire. (That's not a sarcastic complaint- I never have minded those two television facts).

 

But no matter what excellent idea we come up with, accounting for water, food, shelter, and protection, we must never allow our heroes to make those choices. We have to accept that it's just too hard to get it right. If they ever get it right, the show would be about rebuilding society rather than preserving humanity. 

 

Since this show is actually about preserving (and losing) our humanity, we have to accept the survival decisions they make. Like Kirkman says about the cause- it doesn't matter why- this is how it is and we are trying to talk about how they handle it.


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I lived in AL for twelve years.  The thought of sleeping in a car trunk makes me sweat.  The one night my A/C was out, I was awake until 4 am.  And that was in a house.  No air in that trunk.  *strangling sounds*  And two people?  No way! 


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  So if you can hide from a walker under a car, why can't you be really quiet and hide in a tent?  Walkers don't know tents from rocks.

If they can sniff you out, why can't you carry a few jugs of walker leftovers to mark your boundary?  Just open the jugs at night.  Then you could be mobile.


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  So if you can hide from a walker under a car, why can't you be really quiet and hide in a tent?  Walkers don't know tents from rocks.

If they can sniff you out, why can't you carry a few jugs of walker leftovers to mark your boundary?  Just open the jugs at night.  Then you could be mobile.

That's the one thing I wish they would write consistently. I don't mind when a show decides certain fictions are real for the sake of the drama. (gas lasts forever, the dead could function) but when they establish a rule I'd like them to stick with it. 


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I thought this topic was about whether it is a good idea to sleep on the ground floor or not. Now I read things like nuclear meltdowns and the Lizzie, Karen and David business of Carol, which already has its own topic (Look at the flowers).

 

Sleeping on the ground floor doesn't have to be a bad idea if you have no escape route fromn the second floor. But then do it like Morgan and Duane did in the pilot episode of the show. Board up the door and cover the windows with blankets so no light is seen from outside. But fortifying your position like Morgan has done in "Clear" might also work but is a bit laborious if you have no intention to stay there for long.

 

Thierry, that's exactly what I was getting at.  Why wouldn't the characters, after all this time, at a minimum apply the safety precautions that Morgan and his son were applying during the first weeks (blacked out windows, noise discipline).  To me, that seems the most basic of precautions, and beyond belief to me that anyone would survive for long who did not follow those precautions.

 

You said it better than me, so thanks.


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People seem to be arguing about floor choices for sleeping. I'd pick second floor for the following reasons.

 

1) Easier to seek shelter and stay hidden

2) Most houses tend to have easy access out through the window using a gutter, tree or slowly dropping down

3) Secondary precaution, as long as the doors are locked and windows blocked with at least curtains, zombies will never attempt to get in unless they hear/see something (S1 Jenny doesn't count)

4) Rare to find invaders/survivors in the world anyway and even less likely that people who have survived this far would not already have shelter somewhere else

5) If people do invade, you can hide easily in the attic or a room upstairs and if you do decide to defend yourself, you have an advantage of a single avenue of attack meaning it being impossible for someone to shoot you without great risk

6) Bed, greater security, more chance of getting a good night sleep

7) If you are under attack by zombies, there's a good chance that they already have all exit routes blocked

8) You also have the option of improvising an escape, using rope to climb down from the window if it's too high


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