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I agree that the show has not developed everyone very well- but I want to give these splits a chance in hopes that instead of being reasons to NOT split, they will be opportunities to fix that mistake of underdevelopment.

 

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agree. I point out my issues with the show because it's a good show and I want it to be a GREAT show. Fingers crossed too


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Lol. The survivors on this show never plan ahead and get fucked over because of it so I'd say the characters are acting pretty consistent

 

Yes!   Once you get past accepting a ZA, the biggest weakness is how is it this group of survivors NEVER does the common sense things they need to do to protect themselves:   (1)  Have a reliable lookout and patrol of the perimeter (not the Maggie-Glenn when we're not to busy playing with each other thing;  (2) FIX the fences since they KNEW big hereds were out there;  (3)Train snipers and have one or more snipers on the roof at all times;  (4) Scout not only for the return of the Govenor but also for other maurauders that might be camped nearby; (5) Keep the bus stocked;  (6) have more than one evacuation vehicle  (6) Have an evacuation plan and a rendezvous point;  (7) Tell Rick to get his head out of his rear-end and MAN-UP  (before disgusted viewers who used to love him give up on him)?

 

I love this show, but this season has made me ask, are human beings really this disgustingly disorganized and pathetic?


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So maybe the survivors were totally unprepared for the Governor's assault, but I think they just took the safety of the prison for granted.  When the Governor first attacked with his Woodbury army, the prison group didn't even suffer a single casualty, while the Woodburians were defeated with ease.  I think that experience provided everyone with a sense of security and empowerment.  I bet they were thinking that if the Governor could show up with an army and hardly make a dent, then they're probably pretty safe. 

 

It's not that the Governor wasn't considered a threat.  Daryl and Michonne were tracking him for quite a while after the failed assault.  But, after so many months, it was starting to seem like the Governor was never going to be seen again.  And, honestly, he probably never would have if it weren't for lucking out and finding a tank along with a new militia willing to support him.  I think the group was completely surprised by the tank and how quickly it was able to destroy the security of the prison.  That's probably why the contingency plan involved most everyone just piling on the bus and getting away.  Remember, they had crates with machine guns located at various areas by the fences.  They probably assumed that if a gunfire broke out, the fighters would be able to keep them back with returning gunfire while the non-fighters got on the bus.  Obviously, this wasn't the best plan, as everybody found out, but I just don't think anybody thought a freakin' tank would show up one day.

 

It's easy now to say how they should've had better lookouts and a better escape plan that included a meeting place should everyone be separated.  But as I said, I think they just developed a false sense of security after handing the Governor's ass to him so easily before.


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So maybe the survivors were totally unprepared for the Governor's assault, but I think they just took the safety of the prison for granted.  When the Governor first attacked with his Woodbury army, the prison group didn't even suffer a single casualty, while the Woodburians were defeated with ease.  I think that experience provided everyone with a sense of security and empowerment.  I bet they were thinking that if the Governor could show up with an army and hardly make a dent, then they're probably pretty safe. 

 

It's not that the Governor wasn't considered a threat.  Daryl and Michonne were tracking him for quite a while after the failed assault.  But, after so many months, it was starting to seem like the Governor was never going to be seen again.  And, honestly, he probably never would have if it weren't for lucking out and finding a tank along with a new militia willing to support him.  I think the group was completely surprised by the tank and how quickly it was able to destroy the security of the prison.  That's probably why the contingency plan involved most everyone just piling on the bus and getting away.  Remember, they had crates with machine guns located at various areas by the fences.  They probably assumed that if a gunfire broke out, the fighters would be able to keep them back with returning gunfire while the non-fighters got on the bus.  Obviously, this wasn't the best plan, as everybody found out, but I just don't think anybody thought a freakin' tank would show up one day.

 

It's easy now to say how they should've had better lookouts and a better escape plan that included a meeting place should everyone be separated.  But as I said, I think they just developed a false sense of security after handing the Governor's ass to him so easily before.

I'd have to agree with this. Nobody at the prison would've even conceived the idea of a return visit by the "Governor" in a fricken tank. But then they didn't anticipate LAW rockets and fifty caliber machine guns being fired upon them either.  They managed to t'wart the first attack by luring them inside and scaring the hell out of them so that the main group just turned tail and ran. Which of course we all know how much that pissed Philip/Brian off. 
If Rick learned any lesson from these two attacks, is not to be complacent or relaxing the guard. Someone on the outside should've seen that Tank coming from a ways off and could've warned them. 
At least nobody was in the guard tower when that tank hit it. Imagine if Glenn and Maggie were sacked out in there? 


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This was a fantastic episode!!!

1) I loved them contrasting Beth's (actually in reality, everyone's) hope for the prison to them running from an attacked prison.

2) Lizzie is a little psychopath!!!! I seriously thought, "Did they really let me see Judith alive just for Lizzie to kill her?" I guess this means it was her dissecting and feeding rats to walkers.

3) Mika is so sane!! She gets scared and runs like a normal kid instead of trying to smother a baby!!

4) Maggie and Glenn being so focused on finding each other was awesome.

5) Glen called Maggie his wife!!!!

On the Lizzie feeding the walkers subject, I started the show very recently, and we were watching the beginning of season 4. When it showed the kids naming walkers and soon after someone feeding a walker, I had kind of assumed it was one of the kids.
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Naturally you would call your wife what she is as well.


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What I didn't like about this episode is that I think when the writers were fracturing groups in "Too Far Gone", they decided that Rick and Carl had to be one group, Tyreese and Carol had to meet up for drama, Maggie couldn't be with Glenn, and then everybody else was just picked out of a hat

 

Because of that, I was just bored for most of the episode. A lot of the characters have little dynamics when interacting with each other and absolutely ZERO chemistry. It was just boring to watch them even interact

 

I don't think the groups were just picked out of a hat.  From what Lauran Cohan said about the choice to put Maggie with Sasha and Bob because they had not interacted with each other much, there was some deliberation to these choices.  Part of that would be to further development for the newer and/or lesser developed characters like Beth, Tyreese, Sasha, and Bob.  Pairing them up with more prominent members of the main group would allow for more dialog and interaction - thus more development.  At least in theory.  This particular episode didn't really add much to their development because they tried to cram all four groups into a single episode with 10 minutes of screen time for each.  Not the best idea and I think that actually hindered development more than anything.  But I think there is some potential for development here if they go back to their usual format of two stories/groups per episode.

 

I think the primary purpose here was to separate the members of the main group from the people that matter most to them - the ones they typically interact with and are most comfortable with.  Glenn and Maggie being separated from each other - and Beth - has an impact because of their emotional connections.  They're married - or at least consider themselves married - and Beth is now Maggie's only remaining blood relative.  The sisters watched their father die, but are separated and cannot console each other or help each other through this in any way.  None of them have any way of knowing what happened to the others or who managed to escape the prison and survive - and the last time they saw Glenn, he was still very sick and could barely stand on his own.  For Glenn specifically, he's not just separated from his wife and sister-in-law, but from everyone he considers family.  He is alone and stuck with a stranger he knows was part of the attack on the prison and three people they just met and he doesn't know if he can really trust any of them. 

 

Tyreese and Sasha being separated has the same impact - they're siblings and have stuck together since the beginning of the ZA.  Tyreese did see Sasha leave with Bob and Maggie, but he also knows she was still recovering from the flu and has no way of knowing where those three went or what happened to them once they were out of sight.  Like everyone else, they have no way of knowing and both seem to believe the other died.  An added complication for Tyreese ended up with the baby and two of the kids.  Now he's met up with Carol - which will likely result in conflict because Tyreese will find out the truth about her murdering Karen at some point. 

 

Daryl ending up with Beth feels like a random choice, but it's not when you think about it.  This keeps Beth separated from Glenn and Maggie.  It also separates her from Judith - and she has been Judith's primary caregiver since the baby was born.  Beth is the only member of the group that Daryl really has not spent any significant time with or interacted much with.  That keeps him separated from those he's most comfortable with and also prevents him from meeting up with Carol - who was focused on finding Lizzie and Mika.  I agree with your other post that it would have been very entertaining to see Daryl taking care of the baby and the two girls, but I can see why they chose not to do that because they wanted Carol to find the girls and set up the potential conflict with Tyreese.  For Daryl, this also plays into him believing that everyone died and withdrawing into himself.  His survival instincts are still there and he'll protect Beth, but he's lost hope and - considering his personality - probably feels like he failed. 

 

I don't think this episode did a good job in presenting these groups and the potential development because they tried to cram all four into a single episode, but I think there is some potential here so I'm willing to wait and see what happens.

 

I'd have to agree with this. Nobody at the prison would've even conceived the idea of a return visit by the "Governor" in a fricken tank. But then they didn't anticipate LAW rockets and fifty caliber machine guns being fired upon them either.  They managed to t'wart the first attack by luring them inside and scaring the hell out of them so that the main group just turned tail and ran. Which of course we all know how much that pissed Philip/Brian off. 
If Rick learned any lesson from these two attacks, is not to be complacent or relaxing the guard. Someone on the outside should've seen that Tank coming from a ways off and could've warned them. 
At least nobody was in the guard tower when that tank hit it. Imagine if Glenn and Maggie were sacked out in there? 

 

I agree that none of them could have predicted the governor would show up with a tank.  The last they saw of him, he ran off with Martinez and Shumpert.  Daryl and Michonne searched, but the trail went cold.  They really didn't have any reason to think the governor would show up with a tank and another army.  They did have a defense plan in place that would have been sufficient to deal with an attack by a group of people, but it was designed around them having 50 people at the prison to pull it off.  They also had an escape plan - but it was also designed around them having 50 people to evacuate.  Hence, keeping the bus stocked with supplies with the intention of everyone leaving on the bus.  That was the only vehicle they had that would accommodate 50 people.

 

I the two bigger factors here were the tank and the flu.  Both were unexpected circumstances that nobody could have predicted.  This was not an issue of anyone becoming complacent - it was circumstances working against them.  Within 3 days, they lost around 23 people at the prison due to the flu and related walker attacks.  Of those that survived the flu - or did not catch it - 19 had not fully recovered and were not capable of fully defending against an attack.  On that third day, they had 8 healthy people to take care of things at the prison - and that is including Carl.  Michonne and Hershel were captured so that left them with 6 healthy people.  They were still getting things back under control from the chaos of the night before - the events of Internment and those circumstances worked to the governor's advantage.  They didn't have extra people to put in any of the guard towers and they were still taking care of the sick so they were caught completely by surprise when the governor showed up.  With a tank. 


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Meesha. I agree with you except that the novel way the episode was structured worked for me and I really liked it.

 

On the subject of marriage: as far as I am concerned, Glenn and Maggie are married.  This is a new society on TWD and the old laws have to be adapted to the new circumstances.  There are no officials, religious or secular, left to conduct a ceremony.  There is no central authority to register the marriage and likely never will be again.  There is no law, except for what a community makes for itself.  So, if their community agreed that these two people are married, they are.  We didn't see if there was a ritual or vows or a declaration but that’s how I read the situation.


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I don't think the groups were just picked out of a hat.  From what Lauran Cohan said about the choice to put Maggie with Sasha and Bob because they had not interacted with each other much, there was some deliberation to these choices.  Part of that would be to further development for the newer and/or lesser developed characters like Beth, Tyreese, Sasha, and Bob.  Pairing them up with more prominent members of the main group would allow for more dialog and interaction - thus more development.  At least in theory.  This particular episode didn't really add much to their development because they tried to cram all four groups into a single episode with 10 minutes of screen time for each.  Not the best idea and I think that actually hindered development more than anything.  But I think there is some potential for development here if they go back to their usual format of two stories/groups per episode.

 

I think the primary purpose here was to separate the members of the main group from the people that matter most to them - the ones they typically interact with and are most comfortable with.  Glenn and Maggie being separated from each other - and Beth - has an impact because of their emotional connections.  They're married - or at least consider themselves married - and Beth is now Maggie's only remaining blood relative.  The sisters watched their father die, but are separated and cannot console each other or help each other through this in any way.  None of them have any way of knowing what happened to the others or who managed to escape the prison and survive - and the last time they saw Glenn, he was still very sick and could barely stand on his own.  For Glenn specifically, he's not just separated from his wife and sister-in-law, but from everyone he considers family.  He is alone and stuck with a stranger he knows was part of the attack on the prison and three people they just met and he doesn't know if he can really trust any of them. 

 

Tyreese and Sasha being separated has the same impact - they're siblings and have stuck together since the beginning of the ZA.  Tyreese did see Sasha leave with Bob and Maggie, but he also knows she was still recovering from the flu and has no way of knowing where those three went or what happened to them once they were out of sight.  Like everyone else, they have no way of knowing and both seem to believe the other died.  An added complication for Tyreese ended up with the baby and two of the kids.  Now he's met up with Carol - which will likely result in conflict because Tyreese will find out the truth about her murdering Karen at some point. 

 

Daryl ending up with Beth feels like a random choice, but it's not when you think about it.  This keeps Beth separated from Glenn and Maggie.  It also separates her from Judith - and she has been Judith's primary caregiver since the baby was born.  Beth is the only member of the group that Daryl really has not spent any significant time with or interacted much with.  That keeps him separated from those he's most comfortable with and also prevents him from meeting up with Carol - who was focused on finding Lizzie and Mika.  I agree with your other post that it would have been very entertaining to see Daryl taking care of the baby and the two girls, but I can see why they chose not to do that because they wanted Carol to find the girls and set up the potential conflict with Tyreese.  For Daryl, this also plays into him believing that everyone died and withdrawing into himself.  His survival instincts are still there and he'll protect Beth, but he's lost hope and - considering his personality - probably feels like he failed. 

 

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I think even more thought went into the choice of groups. For instance, TPTB wanted to adapt the aftermath of the prison attack in the comics from issues #49 and #50. That meant Rick and Carl would go off alone and later be joined with Michonne who was on her own after putting down the severed head. In the comics, Judith was killed in the prison attack, so that meant she needed to be separated from Rick and Carl by death or being in another group. TPTB opted for another group.

 

TPTB wanted Tyreese to be with Carol and Lizzie for the potential conflict that creates in the story for when Tyreese finds out about both Carol and Lizzie. Judith and Mika are in this group too because it makes sense to keep the rest of the kids together.

 

Beth being placed with Daryl also represents a strongest vs. weakest union. Daryl is one of the strongest in the group. I think Michonne is the other, but she is with Rick and Carl. Beth is the weakest. I think that is why she was chosen to be with Daryl over Maggie. That and the fact that Maggie and Daryl have been on runs together.

 

Finally, Bob was placed with Sasha and Maggie because neither of them know of his alcoholism. Sasha expressed her appreciation to Bob for helping in her recovery. She wasn't on the run to get meds, so she hasn't seen his weakness. Bob went on the run with Daryl, Michonne, and Tyreese. They are the only ones who saw his weakness  in choosing to get the liquor bottle over medication. Furthermore, Maggie knows Carol killed Karen and David, so she couldn't be with Tyreese and Carol.

 

Since TPTB wanted family apart (other than parent/child relationships) that meant Glenn was the odd man out, so they kept Tara around. Since Glenn is sick and Tara is only so much help, they had them meet up with Abraham, Eugene, and Rosita.


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d2daybreak and meesha:  I understand the logic of the writers, but in terms of character dynamics, chemistry, and potential for development, I don't think they did a good job with picking the groups

 

Like, what do we even know about Tyreese? He cares about his sister and he gets angry/sad when someone close to him dies. This pretty much describes 70% of people on Earth. It makes sense to stick him with Carol because that has the potential for most drama. He wouldn't fit in any other group because he has no chemistry with the rest of the cast 

 

Just my opinion. I think the writers should've sorted the groups by character dynamics (not including Rick, Carl, Michonne and Tyreese and Carol) and not by what they thought would work


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In that early scene where Darryl and Beth were walking by the log and you could see this blobby red and grey stuff I couldn't figure out just what that was. Too bad that later I did. 

 

Poor Tyrese. Murdered girlfriend, murdered girlfriend set on fire, sister sick, raid on prison, injured, seperated from sister, and now stuck out in wild being babysitter to thing one and thing two. Man, he really got the shaft with the group of companions he was stuck with.

And poor Judith. Survived the deadly illness going around the prison, the Gov.'s raid, and numerous zombie attacks only to almost be snuffed out by little creepo. 

 

I was actually surprised when Tyrese turned around and turned out he had Judith. I definitely expected we would be seeing Carol again but I wasn't thinking it would be quite yet, so I was a bit taken aback when the girls popped back up and she was all of a sudden 'just there'. Good that she took over baby Judith though. 

 

Anyway, that Lizzie kid can't be eaten by a zombie fast enough.


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d2daybreak and meesha:  I understand the logic of the writers, but in terms of character dynamics, chemistry, and potential for development, I don't think they did a good job with picking the groups

 

Like, what do we even know about Tyreese? He cares about his sister and he gets angry/sad when someone close to him dies. This pretty much describes 70% of people on Earth. It makes sense to stick him with Carol because that has the potential for most drama. He wouldn't fit in any other group because he has no chemistry with the rest of the cast 

 

Just my opinion. I think the writers should've sorted the groups by character dynamics (not including Rick, Carl, Michonne and Tyreese and Carol) and not by what they thought would work

 

 

I like that they're mixing it up because it gives the new characters more opportunities to do something and participate in dialog.  As I said before, they didn't do a good job with that in this episode because they tried to cram too much into it, but I think there is a lot of potential here.  We don't know a lot about Tyreese, Sasha, or Bob because the main characters already had their "cliques" so we didn't get to see much of them.  They got shuffled off to the background while the established characters stuck to certain people.  Maggie spends most of her time with Glenn.  Daryl divides his time between Rick, Michonne, and Carol.  And so on and so forth.  This is the most logical way to bring that development about and introduce new character dynamics and develop those friendships.  It will be a nice change to see them interacting with different people, IMO.


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Catching up.

Watching Maggie sharpen her tanto on top that boulder for me was and is very cool.

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Since this episode popped up might as well give my review.

Half of the episode was good, one quarter decent and the other bad.

Daryl and Beth's story served no purpose. Running away from the zombies, sure it's a dangerous world. But having Daryl snap at her and Beth attempting to cry was the most cringe worthy scenes I've ever seen in my life. And the shoes, no matter how many times I go over it in my head it doesn't make sense. How did Luke and Molly get there? I thought they died at the prison.

Tyreese and Carol's story was decent. Kinda pissed that Judith survived the prison, and knowing how Lizzie and Mica's story came to it's conclusion Is so heartbreaking. The man speaking after getting his throat bit out was a bit far fetched though.

Maggie's story was the best one there (maybe I'm biased because she's my favourite). Loved how she kicked the shit out of the zombies, and her relief and hope that Glenn had survived and was out there easily makes it into my top five moments of season4. Bob and Sasha were cute too.

Glenn's story came second best. His determination to find Maggie, and so many call backs to the prison saga and the Atlanta days. As much as I don't like Tara as an actress I like the character, and felt so bad that she lost everything in a matter of hours.

Loved seeing Abraham, Rosita and Eugene brought back to life.
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