Is Bringing The Show Closer To The Comics Too Little Too Late?

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They cant NOT include Negan.

Characters like....The Scavengers or...like....guys like those guys.

Negan is much too big a plot character for them to not include him.

They simply cannot NOT include him. (and wont, since i'm pretty sure Gimple or Kirkman said they will and want to include Negan. They just have to set everything up first. They dont want him to appear too early, so they will let the plot play out to that very moment)

But...yeah, they will water him down. If not his character in a whole, probably his vocabulary


That said, if Merle could say the things he did (who were at times much worse than the word ''fuck'', and they let that pass), i'am still having some hope for his vocabulary.

As for Daryl, it would be so ironic if Dwight (if he is *at all* included similarly to his comic self.) killed him, the way he killed Abe.

The only thing that can defeat a Daryl.....Is a Daryl lookalike with half of his face consisting of raw hamburger.

The prophecy tells it so.


good point on Merle. I'm hoping for some creative writing with negan to keep as much of his humor as possible, and truth be told I'm probably more exicted about a live action negan then any other charecter. Not to beat a dead horse but...casting is KEY!
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I'm keeping my finger crossed that maybe... JUST MAYBE they'll turn the All Out War saga into a movie.

I mean it'd kind of suck to have a movie of the Walking Dead based on the show rather than the comic but if the point of it was to go the comics Negan justice I think I'd be down.
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Shane is a very mixed bag for me. On one hand, they did make him more fleshed out and more interesting (him killing Otis). On the other, nothing big came out of that. If Rick killed Shane in episode 6 of Season one, it would've had the same impact as episode 12 of Season 2. I thought developing him was going to lead to an awesome conclusion but it kind of just felt like a waste and the plot line just got annoying and soap opera-ish by the end. Plus, Rick killing Shane had nowhere near the amount of impact as Carl killing Shane. We also never got the scene of Rick killing zombie Shane


I still think the best time for Rick or Carl to kill shane would have been the S2 midseason finale.
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I still think the best time for Rick or Carl to kill shane would have been the S2 midseason finale.


I think I'd agree. The entirety of season 2 really should have been condensed to about half it's length and Shane's storyline wouldn't have felt as dragged out as it did.
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I think I'd agree. The entirety of season 2 really should have been condensed to about half it's length and Shane's storyline wouldn't have felt as dragged out as it did.

for me Sophia is the biggest botch to date...half a season looking, to find her in the barn. Utterly pointless. Even Andrea makes more sense to me then that story line. I didn't mind Shane as much, seemed like they we're playing up the devils advocate bit. Carl killing him off Would of made for a hell of a finale for the first season though.
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I enjoy the TV show a lot for what it is. From a production / make-up stand point it is really well done. However, I had to teach myself to that the show will never be the comics. I was stressing myself out way too much when trying to compare the two.

Where I think the show improved on the comic:
Shane
Hershel
Maggie
The Dixon Brothers (Like the characters, but disliked their story line)

Where the show fell short:
The Governor
Martinez
Woodbury
Rick's right hand
Beth
Tyreese
The Prisoners
Judith


I do like most of these choices. I thought that Dave Morrisey re-created a decent Governor more of your Hitlerian charisma. WTF was up with GODDAMN TEA???!?!?! Mazarra= schizophrenic

~I never totally bought Lemmy as a charismatic leader- (violent rapist sadist- absolutely) I think the comic image of the Governor may be an (image wise- to RK) early incarnation of what has developed into Negan.~

Merle could have been developed into a very good deep (not intellectually LOL) for his military background.

Andrew Lincoln- every time I see him, I see Aaron.

Maggie is going to be the sharpshooter.
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I'm keeping my finger crossed that maybe... JUST MAYBE they'll turn the All Out War saga into a movie.

I mean it'd kind of suck to have a movie of the Walking Dead based on the show rather than the comic but if the point of it was to go the comics Negan justice I think I'd be down.

That or a MINISERIES!!! (That's the ticket!)

That's the only way they can do it IMO- Maybe a joint Premium/Netflix/AMC release. it will NOT flop like the X-Files movie.
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Is bringing the show closer to the comics too little, too late? To answer THAT question, I think no. Since they ended the governor/prison arc then if they wanted to (and previews seem to show it) follow the comic then they could now. Granted main characters (Dale, Andrea, et al) aren't going to be there but who knows what they can do.

Oh NY Guy... as far as not giving credit where it's due... Kirkman is one of the writers of the show so I think I accredited him twice. We should be grateful that the source WRITER is involved as heavily as he is. I think that he does have other visions of the universe that he created and the show is helping him realize those alternate ideas. When I'm writing I can see two paths for my characters to go and I have to make a decision and choose one... Kirkman at least has that opportunity. No, he's probably not the PRIMARY writer for the show but at least he's overseeing his vision... something I would appreciate, if ever my own novel got turned into a t.v. series.
As I understand it the comic is far more graphic than what can be shown on television. Betcha a lot of the writing was dancing around what they could and could not address. "Well, since we can't show THAT, I guess another way of doing this episode would be... ", and they go from there.

I wonder if there was this much of a hubbub and ballyhoo over the television version of Batman (Adam West/Burt Ward) or Wonderwoman (Lynda Carter), or The Incredible Hulk (Bill Bixby).
Talk about being far removed from the source material.
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That or a MINISERIES!!! (That's the ticket!)

That's the only way they can do it IMO- Maybe a joint Premium/Netflix/AMC release. it will NOT flop like the X-Files movie.


I'd be down with this. Netflix is changing the very nature of television and I think for the better. With things like more ad time and less actual run time and midseason finales to boost the ratings ruining TV shows, Netflix makes it possible to tell long stories in a different format.
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I'd be down with this. Netflix is changing the very nature of television and I think for the better. With things like more ad time and less actual run time and midseason finales to boost the ratings ruining TV shows, Netflix makes it possible to tell long stories in a different format.

I truly think that Netflix is the future of TV. Besides the Walking Dead game, NO story is better waiting for each episode a week apart. It's so great to just binge watch it and digest it all. Netflix will run more and more shows soon enough and that'll be the go-to method for casual viewers
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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I truly think that Netflix is the future of TV. Besides the Walking Dead game, NO story is better waiting for each episode a week apart. It's so great to just binge watch it and digest it all. Netflix will run more and more shows soon enough and that'll be the go-to method for casual viewers


I agree. We don't really realize it but we are watching the future be born right in front of our eyes. Micho Kaku talks about how right now we are seeing the human race attempt to make the beginnings of the leap from a type 0 society to a type 1. The internet is the best example of this, the way information is so accessible now is insane. He also talks about how with the age of abundance showing up that intellectual capital will the the main capital of the future, and websites like Netflix and Youtube are perfect examples of this, places where people can be paid for their ideas and things they create and can be quickly consumed by EVERYONE and ANYONE who wants them.
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I agree. We don't really realize it but we are watching the future be born right in front of our eyes. Micho Kaku talks about how right now we are seeing the human race attempt to make the beginnings of the leap from a type 0 society to a type 1. The internet is the best example of this, the way information is so accessible now is insane. He also talks about how with the age of abundance showing up that intellectual capital will the the main capital of the future, and websites like Netflix and Youtube are perfect examples of this, places where people can be paid for their ideas and things they create and can be quickly consumed by EVERYONE and ANYONE who wants them.

I've posted this before but Kevin Spacey has a great speech on this regarding Netflix's House of Cards (no spoilers)

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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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Guys guys, i know you are splooshing all over yourselves with this tv-techno stuff, but it has nothing to do with the topic.

Get back on track, you silly scalliwags.
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I've posted this before but Kevin Spacey has a great speech on this regarding Netflix's House of Cards (no spoilers)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0ukYf_xvgc

Couldn't agree more. I'll be honest, I downloaded TWD several times (stole it) because I couldn't watch it on TV... had they offered the episodes online on the official site, I would have had no reason to download the episodes... I just wanted to see the show, I didn't want to steal it I just didn't have any other options for watching it.

Back in the day when episodes could ONLY be shown 1 or twice a week it made sense, but now that we have things like DVR, OnDemand, Hulu, Netflix, DVDs, and even illegal downloads it's clear that people want to binge watch shows... so why not let them? Even if you want to put ads in it like Hulu does, binge watching seems too keep people more interested in the series.
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Guys guys, i know you are splooshing all over yourselves with this tv-techno stuff, but it has nothing to do with the topic.

Get back on track, you silly scalliwags.


Honestly... I'm OK with that
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Couldn't agree more. I'll be honest, I downloaded TWD several times (stole it) because I couldn't watch it on TV... had they offered the episodes online on the official site, I would have had no reason to download the episodes... I just wanted to see the show, I didn't want to steal it I just didn't have any other options for watching it.

Back in the day when episodes could ONLY be shown 1 or twice a week it made sense, but now that we have things like DVR, OnDemand, Hulu, Netflix, DVDs, and even illegal downloads it's clear that people want to binge watch shows... so why not let them? Even if you want to put ads in it like Hulu does, binge watching seems too keep people more interested in the series.

We live in a world where we don't have to watch commercials anymore. We can't go back to the old ways. Marathoning Breaking Bad on Netflix was one of the best TV experiences of my life and it was the pinnacle show to binge watch. It was perfectly crafted for it

Anyway, to answer the topic question, I'll say that what bothers me about the show is that it incorporates comic moments and not storylines.

I couldn't give two shits whether we saw the gym scene on the show. I wanted the prisoner storyline with the serial killers, the investigation, Rick trying to establish law and order, and then Rick nearly being usurped by Dexter. I want the storyline where Rick, Glenn, and Michonne are trapped in Woodbury. I wanted the prison storyline. Too Far Gone didn't even really follow the comics in my eyes. The prison was attacked and Hershel died and the Governor killed someone with a katana, but that's about ti. It's just not what I imagined when I was thinking of the world of the Walking Dead coming to life.
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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Don`t forget Rick driving back to kill Shane again............and losing his hand.

We did not need however many episodes with the Gov to determine he was batshit crazy chopping off the hand is all we needed to solidify that.
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Season 3 nearly pushed me to the breaking point with this show. It was so poorly crafted I could not stand it. Their biggest mistake was never setting up the prison as a home. It was always under siege either by external forces or internal. Why did they rush through this story? Too show us each and every decision the Guv made right down to his breakfast. Oh and have Andrea stare googly eyed at him. With that they sprinkled in comic spice and dropped the ball doing that. Lori's death was so mismanaged it was horrible.
I hate season 3 but Season 4 has given me hope. It was good original story with some comic elements. I think some of the issues with this season came from the cleanup they had to do with season 3. Now Gimple has a cleanish slate, in the best timeline the comics have. I am eager to see the results
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I do like most of these choices. I thought that Dave Morrisey re-created a decent Governor more of your Hitlerian charisma. WTF was up with GODDAMN TEA???!?!?! Mazarra= schizophrenic

~I never totally bought Lemmy as a charismatic leader- (violent rapist sadist- absolutely) I think the comic image of the Governor may be an (image wise- to RK) early incarnation of what has developed into Negan.~

Merle could have been developed into a very good deep (not intellectually LOL) for his military background.

Andrew Lincoln- every time I see him, I see Aaron.

Maggie is going to be the sharpshooter.

Yeah I was into David Morrisey, but I didn't like where the writing took the Governor. Morriesy did a fine job for the scripts he was given.

I liked Merle a lot because I thought they would have had Merle cut off Rick's hand as revenge for chaining him to the roof in season 1 causing Merle to cut off his own hand. Would have been a great way for Rick to lose his hand without showing how crazy the Governor was right off the bat.
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Yeah I was into David Morrisey, but I didn't like where the writing took the Governor. Morriesy did a fine job for the scripts he was given.

I liked Merle a lot because I thought they would have had Merle cut off Rick's hand as revenge for chaining him to the roof in season 1 causing Merle to cut off his own hand. Would have been a great way for Rick to lose his hand without showing how crazy the Governor was right off the bat.


I thought Morrisey was miscast. I don't think he portrayed a believable killer very well at all, nor do I think he had the intensity, presence or intimidation factor required for the role. I was mostly just bored EVERY time he was on screen.
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Morrisey was fantastic by far one of the best actors to date on the show...I dont blame any actor on the show for their lack of portrail of a character, I blame the dumb ass writers for killing them slowly...i.e Glenn...

The problem with the show is all the pieces in the background, you can pin 99% of the problems with the show being background elements, poor writing, different showrunners. Each season is like watching the first season because you dont know what to expect, season one PERFECT, season two was slow as fk till mannnnzzzershit rushed it with stupid deaths (dale), season 3 was a clusterfuck of horse shit, and now season 4 looks like it is taking after season one.....sadly it came with a price, stupid character kill offs...


TWD will always have this one problem no matter what...

"Its a show with great episodes surrounded by mediocre episodes with a small amount of bad episodes"

I am quoting this because someone on here or spoil the dead wrote that
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Don`t forget Rick driving back to kill Shane again............and losing his hand.

We did not need however many episodes with the Gov to determine he was batshit crazy chopping off the hand is all we needed to solidify that.

i read an interview with kirkman where he talked about the hand being one of his biggest regrets in the comic, and that he had no intention of doing that to an actor.
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i read an interview with kirkman where he talked about the hand being one of his biggest regrets in the comic, and that he had no intention of doing that to an actor.

If they could do it with Buster Bluth, they can do it with Rick
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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If they could do it with Buster Bluth, they can do it with Rick


I think the ''regret'' was because it made and still makes it harder for Kirkman to write. He has to always keep in mind to write scenes that are specific to Rick's handicap. Like '' Oh, Rick is gonna do an gesture with his hand, but oh wait, he cant. Because he doesnt have that hand. Whelps, i guess i have to rethink that moment. '' If he still had two hands, he wouldnt have to do that. I think he said that in some Letter Hacks, but i cannot remember which one.

So...yeah, comic-wise, it is because it is an hindrance at times.

In the show....well, if they could do it with an leg, i guess they can do it with an hand. Maybe. I dunno.
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I really hope the direction of the plot follows the comics, but not so much the content of the plot, which it looks like Gimple is aiming to do. The stories and arcs in the comic are too good to drift too far away from, so I'd say it's not too little too late at this point.

The hunters have to be included; that mini-arc is too epic to not include. We already know they're going to meet Abraham/Eugene/Rosita, so logically they're likely to try and lead them to Washington, DC. ASZ would be awaiting them there, which I hope means eventually meeting Negan.

In terms of timeline of comic vs. show, I feel like they're going to trim down/extend different parts in order to make it more practical and enjoyable for the viewer.

My prediction is that the little radio message they heard on the radio before seeing the mega-herd is Abraham and co. trying to gather people to head to DC. I thought about it being ASZ itself (it would make sense, since they were looking for new members in their community in the comics), but I'm not sure if radio signals can travel that far and still be that audible.

Anyways I'm rambling, but point is I'd welcome any effort for the show to resemble the comics more.
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