[head_creeps]

I thought it was pretty darn good and I'm surprised by the many negative comments in this thread so far. I found it realistic and interesting that TG was in shock following what he'd done at end of S3. He was so empty following that he was almost a walker himself. Unwillingly rediscovering his humanity, bit by bit, was cool. Definitely held my interest and I want to learn more.

[NAGILLUM]

Waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait.

This was the episode Andrew Lincoln said was one of the best episodes?

My thoughts exactly. Lol.

[Walker_Bait]

Best episode since "Clear." I'm somewhat surprised at the poll results so far

[Deadpelican]

I think a lot of people are being a tad harsh on this episode. Not every episode is going to be full of gunfire and action.

That's not what people are complaining about.

They're complaining because they writers seem to expect us to feel empathy (or something) for the governor. But that's a waste of time because some of us just want him dead for what he did last season and see him as an irredeemable SOB.

[Creeper]

I thought it was pretty darn good and I'm surprised by the many negative comments in this thread so far. I found it realistic and interesting that TG was in shock following what he'd done at end of S3. He was so empty following that he was almost a walker himself. Unwillingly rediscovering his humanity, bit by bit, was cool. Definitely held my interest and I want to learn more.

Except TG didn't just "lose his humanity" in the finale when he blew holes in all those people. We saw evidence of what a terrible person he had become throughout the entire season. So I can't buy that he suddenly decided to become a decent man again when he met Penny 2.0 and had his walk..er...shamble of shame.

I would have preferred the episode if they had shown little glimpses of the psycho we all know is just under the surface. A certain look in his eye, something he said, etc. I didn't really see any glimpse of the old Guv. He was a different character.

As for what I thought of the episode...I miss the prison group. I don't know what it is about TG, but he just doesn't interest me all that much. His redemption story or whatever in particular doesn't interest me! There were a few sections where I got so bored I was tempted to fast-forward my stream. I don't feel sorry for him. How can I? Oh...poor wittle Governor is alllllll alone. I guess he shouldn't have murdered everyone he was with!

This episode just felt like it didn't fit with the rest of the season. It wasn't badly done. I just didn't buy that it was TG. And it felt jarring after seeing the prison group for so many episodes.

Sorry David. But the sooner your character dies, the sooner I can get back to the story I care about.

Wee bit of speculation - I wonder if Penny 2.0 gets killed and that once again brings out TG we all know and hate?

[WalkerDub]

Best episode since "Clear." I'm somewhat surprised at the poll results so far

I'm not. Was actually expecting it to be even worse. They devoted an entire episode to flushing the Governor's character down the toilet. He went from killing a mass of his own people in last season's finale (showing a downward turn into madness) giving us some hope that he would become more than an annoying antagonist. Tonight he was written in a manner to draw sympathy from viewers. Was disappointed to see him fetching oxygen tanks, board games, and aiding random people he just met rather than killing them and taking what he needed from them.

[Officer_Friendly]

Good riddance.

People like this site because they feel comfortable knowing that their opinions are respected unlike so many other forums. So please, try to refrain from acting negatively toward other users. Thank you.

[WalkerDub]

Wee bit of speculation - I wonder if Penny 2.0 gets killed and that once again brings out TG we all know and hate?

Would be awful since it would just be revisiting a story they already wrote. Most likely what will happen since they've painted themselves into a corner, though.

[Creeper]

Well, we know he was a good guy once..then we saw his downfall. Now he is a good guy again. And then we'll see his downfall....and around and around we go!

[WalkerDub]

Yeah, at this rate he will still be around for season 7. lol

[Drunktard]

It was a good episode, but unfortunately it only showed characters very few people care about. It's weird to watch an episode of TWD and not care at all if the people in it are going to live or die.
I didn't really think it was necessary to spend a whole episode on the governor, they could have mixed in a few scenes from the prison.

Dang it Phillip, one eye and you still score with a fine lady a couple days after you've met her, congratulations.

[WalkerDub]

That's another aspect of it. They introduced several new characters and apparently will be introducing more next week if they follow up on this week's episode. How many are too many at one time?

[JesusMonroe]

Well, we know he was a good guy once..then we saw his downfall. Now he is a good guy again. And then we'll see his downfall....and around and around we go!

Reminds me of Rick. Going through the same character beats over and over and over

[Serenity@sea]

Except TG didn't just "lose his humanity" in the finale when he blew holes in all those people. We saw evidence of what a terrible person he had become throughout the entire season. So I can't buy that he suddenly decided to become a decent man again when he met Penny 2.0 and had his walk..er...shamble of shame.

I would have preferred the episode if they had shown little glimpses of the psycho we all know is just under the surface. A certain look in his eye, something he said, etc. I didn't really see any glimpse of the old Guv. He was a different character.

As for what I thought of the episode...I miss the prison group. I don't know what it is about TG, but he just doesn't interest me all that much. His redemption story or whatever in particular doesn't interest me! There were a few sections where I got so bored I was tempted to fast-forward my stream. I don't feel sorry for him. How can I? Oh...poor wittle Governor is alllllll alone. I guess he shouldn't have murdered everyone he was with!

This episode just felt like it didn't fit with the rest of the season. It wasn't badly done. I just didn't buy that it was TG. And it felt jarring after seeing the prison group for so many episodes.

Sorry David. But the sooner your character dies, the sooner I can get back to the story I care about.

Wee bit of speculation - I wonder if Penny 2.0 gets killed and that once again brings out TG we all know and hate?

That is exactly what I said. They should have shown those glimpses of his former self. I could have possibly bought that he was completely beaten down, but I certainly wouldn't think that the man who thought he was entitled to take whatever he wanted by any means necessary is going to risk his life for these strangers.

If they wanted to add layers or show some more complexity, then they should have done a flashback episode. That would have been much more interesting to me, to watch him become the man he was at the end of S3.

[I R Biter]

I don't understand why it was called Live Bait.....did I miss something?

[Negan]

I really don't know why there's so much hate for this episode.. I mean, sure it was slow and all, but I thought everyone wanted to see a slow, one might say "comic-esque", build up for the infamous "Kill them all!" moment. Something is bound to happen in the next episode that will make The Governor get mad again.

Slow, but alright episode.

[JesusMonroe]

I don't understand why it was called Live Bait.....did I miss something?

I believe the pit that Martinez dug was made for walkers to go into and since they travel in packs herds, then the walkers are attracted by the bait (other walkers) and go inside the pit. This episode, the bait was "alive"

[Officer_Friendly]

I'm upset to see why so many of you didn't like tonight's episode. I personally thought this was the best episode since "Clear". I get a lot of us want to see The Governor from the comics, but I personally like his character in the television series more and felt that comic Governor was more of a cartoonish villain. Television Governor still had his fair share of cartoony moments though; standing in the middle of gunfire, escaping the walkers in the warehouse, catching up with Andrea, etc. I also still strongly believe that Mazarra could have handled his character better last season, but I think that Gimple is trying to reboot his character to give him a fresher start because as I can imagine his character must be difficult to write after where he was left off. This is why we see him with his humanity again.

I bet a lot of people will disagree, but I loved tonight's episode.
P.S: I noticed there were a lot of elements from "Rise of The Governor" in this episode which I enjoyed seeing.

[Rictatorship]

Best episode of the season so far IMO. Its a breath of fresh air from the prison/flu/carol storyline. Plus I actually like the Governor as a character and Morrisseys portrayal. The only reason I didn't enjoy his arc last season was because of Andrea and Glen Mazzara.

[Kiddo626]

I'm upset to see why so many of you didn't like tonight's episode. I personally thought this was the best episode since "Clear". I get a lot of us want to see The Governor from the comics, but I personally like his character in the television series more and felt that comic Governor was more of a cartoonish villain. Television Governor still had his fair share of cartoony moments though; standing in the middle of gunfire, escaping the walkers in the warehouse, catching up with Andrea, etc. I also still strongly believe that Mazarra could have handled his character better last season, but I think that Gimple is trying to reboot his character to give him a fresher start because as I can imagine his character must be difficult to write after where he was left off. This is why we see him with his humanity again.

I bet a lot of people will disagree, but I loved tonight's episode.
P.S: I noticed there were a lot of elements from "Rise of The Governor" in this episode which I enjoyed seeing.

Thank you. You said it far better than I ever could.

[rugter32]

I, for one, really enjoyed this episode. One thing the Governor has always been about is control. Even in the comic books, many of his actions are for the sake of control.
So, how come he turns into this? At the beginning of the episode, we've seen a man who's done something he can't forgive himself for. He didn't just lose control of Woodbury, he lost control of himself. And for a character so obsessed with that, it's a very big thing.
We know before this all, at least according to what we knew from last season, he was a man in a desk job. Other people had control over what he had to do. Then he lost his wife. He couldn't control that happening. Then the zombie apocalypse happens and Penny turns. See the pattern? Woodbury wasn't just an excuse for experimenting and trying to bring Penny back, it gave him that control he so desired. And then the midseason finale of Season 3 happens. His town is under attack, he loses Penny completely and any hope he might have had of bringing her back, and the control he has over his town slips away. And that drives him down the slippery slope really quickly. So by the end of Season 3, he loses control of his people entirely and of himself. So what we see in this episode is a man trying to regain control of his own life. But by the end of this episode, once again things stop working out and it seems that he won't have control even over his own life and where he wants to take it. All he's done won't let him go, and there won't be forgiveness for the things he's done. He's stuck between two walls now, on one side we have the people he built up trust with and that trust could easily break, and on the other side the people who know who he really is and wouldn't trust him because they know what he has done.

[RickGrimesBtch!]

I'm not. Was actually expecting it to be even worse. They devoted an entire episode to flushing the Governor's character down the toilet. He went from killing a mass of his own people in last season's finale (showing a downward turn into madness) giving us some hope that he would become more than an annoying antagonist. Tonight he was written in a manner to draw sympathy from viewers. Was disappointed to see him fetching oxygen tanks, board games, and aiding random people he just met rather than killing them and taking what he needed from them.

This is where I hope in the mid-season finale that he ends up becoming the Guv we all love to hate where he exposes himself to all of those people who think he's a "nice guy". "Too Far Gone" suggests that maybe he snaps at the prison gates and is just too far removed from humanity that in the end, and that all he truly wants is revenge, and not a safe place for his new group to live.

All I can do is hope!!!!

As for this episode, it was necessary, but felt forced. Many I'm sure feel the same like how come we have to like the Guv now? He helps a family, going on those errands, maybe he IS trying to start over but there is no way that when/if he sees Rick or Michonne that his psycho switch won't come on!

[jayde]

I actually thought it was a really good episode. I missed seeing the prison group and was looking forward to seeing how Glenn, Sasha and the others are doing and if they've managed to get the illness under control. I did want to know what the Governor has been up to, though, and this episode did a pretty good job of showing what he's been like since the slaughter at the end of season 3. I'm surprised that more people here don't like it.

I noticed all throughout the show that he doesn't have the same rage, anymore. He doesn't even give a crap about killing the walkers that pose a threat when before he would get a kick out of the opportunity to put them down. All throughout the show, he ignores them for the most part. He kills only one that is completely harmless in the tub, someone that 'opted out' and failed obviously, until the end when he has no choice but to kill the others in the pit to save the girl. I just found that really interesting.

I saw this episode more as an indication of the (possibly temporary) transformation he's undergone. You strip away the hate, the rage and all that's left is someone who was clearly very broken before he even became 'The Governor'. What I wonder about now is... the good old king lost his crown, is he going to try and get it back?

Should note that perhaps part of why I liked it so much is the fact that it was a nod to the Rise of the Governor novel. Part of it is also that the Governor seems HUMAN here. It's the first time we get to see him as something other than an evil, cold dictator but an actual human being that has been broken down by the ZA. I sure as hell won't find any sympathy for him but I think that's an important element of the character that needs to be shown. They've been writing him as though he's invincible, it's good to see him completely knocked down for a change. To those saying that's out of character, is it really? It stands to reason that he likely wasn't like this before the ZA, we don't yet know his past so at this point it's kind of hard to completely write this off as not being true to his character...Maybe not the comic Governor, but TV Gov is slightly different.

[Deadpelican]

Why make the Governor a hero? Makes no sense.

Better yet, why make Carol the one who makes the "hard choice" to put down two sick people in hopes of stopping an infection? I wouldn't bring this up were it not for what happened tonight with the governor.

But the governor tonight makes me see the whole Carol thing differently because it does look like the writers are pretty much applying the exact same formula to two different characters in the hopes of creating "complexity."

I'm half-expecting to see Beth set a kitten on fire and laugh about it, while using the threat of rabies as a cover.

[I R Biter]

I believe the pit that Martinez dug was made for walkers to go into and since they travel in packs herds, then the walkers are attracted by the bait (other walkers) and go inside the pit. This episode, the bait was "alive"

Ok, I can see that.....