Very Depressed That Shane Died.

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Probably an unpopular opinion but here we go.

He has been my favorite character so far throughout the series. I know they tried to play him off as a psychopath near the end of the season, but he's just a victim of so many unlucky situations.

Firstly;
-He's a good guy, he honestly tried to save Ricks life when he was in the hospital, but he had to leave and even so, he barricaded the door. He is the sole reason that Rick is still alive today and was not zombie snacks.
-He saves Carls life, how do you kill the man responsible for saving your sons life?
-He loves Lori and Carl, no one ever talks to Shane about his pain, his sorrow and heartache.I mean Lori was more than happy to sleep with him when her husband was gone. I mean, yeah she thought he was dead, but so did Shane, then Lori blames Shane for everything. Which is complete crap, no thank you for saving your sons life? It was Odis' life for your sons, you think Rick could have done that?


I never really connected with Rick as a leader/character, he just seemed too 'good' for me, in fact Rick does so much crap that gets everyone into trouble.
Shane of the other hand, he makes the right decisions, he makes the hard choices. Shane does what's necessary and it pays off.

Hell if Shane didn't bust that barn open they may still be looking for Sophia in the woods. And Dixon almost died in the woods, how long before they would have given up on that search? You don't know how many people could have died looking for someone in vain.

Shane wasn't that much of a nutjob anyways, he showed remorse, he got talked out of basically everything he wanted to do, right up-until his death. I'm sure a part of him wanted to kill Rick, but he still didn't, because it's his friend.

The funny thing is that Shane ends up saving the group while Rick ends up putting everyone in danger.

I also believe that many of Rick's decisions are too 'morally correct' and that almost no one would truly react that way in a Zombie Apocalypse, he'd be dead if it wasn't for plot armor.

If Shane absolutely had to die, it shouldn't have been by Rick's hand, it should have been while protecting Carl. His death felt rushed and for those of us that liked him, it's like killing off the main character of a series.

I don't think he was psychopathic, I mean he was heartbroken, he lost the woman he loves, but she's still within arms reach. Anyone who's lost someone they loved knows how painful that can be, but no one seems to care. It's just one really complicated situation where everyone gets to be happy except him. When was the last time anyone thought of him instead of blamed him? When was the last time he smiled? He made Rick's life so much easier, made the decision to kill Randall so he wouldn't have to.
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Nice post! Especially your three points after "Firstly", I totally agree to them. And with the Otis situation, Shane first told Otis to leave without him, only when Otis refused to do that (out of goodness), Shane decided to shoot Otis in the leg. He wanted to safe Carl and was willing to sacrifice himself for that, but Otis wouldn't let him do that, deeming both them and Carl. Despite it was immoral to leave Otis for death, the situation was dire and Shane had to do something desperately.

And Lori and Rick didn't really help Shane dealing with his problems, they just brushed him off every time he wanted to tell his side of the story. Like in "18 Miles Out", Rick lectured Shane about how his family is his to protect, but when Shane wanted to tell his side of the story Rick walked away because he wanted to check the ropes. Shane was truly heartbroken, and they left him with his sorrow and pain. Not really what you do with a formerly best friend. And Lori kept calling Shane a liar despite Shane was telling the truth. I can understand that pushes every button.

However, these things are no excuse to plan killing your friend. I remember Shane was pointing his shotgun at Rick only a couple of days after Rick returned, meaning he sunk really deep very quickly. It was not just what we see in Season 2. And Shane making the hard choices to keep everyone safe, he was willing to shoot Jenner who was the only one who could let them out. If Shane had killed him, everyone was doomed for sure.

I don't know if Shane was really interested in keeping the whole group safe either or just Lori and Carl. When the Atlanta camp was attacked, he only protected Lori and Carl while he didn't look at the rest of the group. Giving up the search for Sophia was only because he thought the farm wasn't safe with the walkers in the barn and he wanted to keep Lori pregnant of his baby and Carl safe. Despite it was likely Sophia was death, as the odds of a child surviving on her own in a ZA are slim to none, I can understand the group wanted to know for sure, she was one of the group and the daughter of one group member.

Shane really loved Lori and Carl, but when Rick returned he should have stepped back, accepted that they are not his family and that their affair was a misunderstanding and moved on, no matter how hard that is. Instead he insists on Lori and Carl being partially his. If he can't watch Rick and Lori being together, he should have left the group like he was planning to do in the first episode of Season 2. Carl got shot, he decided to stay to help, nothing wrong with that, but after Carl recovered he still had every chance to leave. But Shane decided to stay only because of Lori and Carl. It is like falling in love with someone who is already engaged in a relationship with someone else, if you want to get over it you should stop seeing that person (also don't look up the Facebook profile of that person), not staying around just to see that person.

Shane didn't need to die, but he couldn't get over it and decides to kill Rick. With that he crossed the line, prompting Rick to kill him. It is just a dramatic climax of an equally dramatic and complicated situation. Shane, Rick and Lori all had their share of blame in that situation. I know love is apparently a frequent motive for murder, both on tv and in real life, but it still doesn't make it right. Rick gave Shane a chance at the end of "18 Miles Out", telling Shane had to come back, but Shane kept going on.

I don't hate the character Shane, but I don't miss him either on the show after his death. His story came to an end and the series had to move on.
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Probably an unpopular opinion but here we go.

He has been my favorite character so far throughout the series. I know they tried to play him off as a psychopath near the end of the season, but he's just a victim of so many unlucky situations.

Firstly;
-He's a good guy, he honestly tried to save Ricks life when he was in the hospital, but he had to leave and even so, he barricaded the door. He is the sole reason that Rick is still alive today and was not zombie snacks.
-He saves Carls life, how do you kill the man responsible for saving your sons life?
-He loves Lori and Carl, no one ever talks to Shane about his pain, his sorrow and heartache.I mean Lori was more than happy to sleep with him when her husband was gone. I mean, yeah she thought he was dead, but so did Shane, then Lori blames Shane for everything. Which is complete crap, no thank you for saving your sons life? It was Odis' life for your sons, you think Rick could have done that?


I never really connected with Rick as a leader/character, he just seemed too 'good' for me, in fact Rick does so much crap that gets everyone into trouble.
Shane of the other hand, he makes the right decisions, he makes the hard choices. Shane does what's necessary and it pays off.

Hell if Shane didn't bust that barn open they may still be looking for Sophia in the woods. And Dixon almost died in the woods, how long before they would have given up on that search? You don't know how many people could have died looking for someone in vain.

Shane wasn't that much of a nutjob anyways, he showed remorse, he got talked out of basically everything he wanted to do, right up-until his death. I'm sure a part of him wanted to kill Rick, but he still didn't, because it's his friend.

The funny thing is that Shane ends up saving the group while Rick ends up putting everyone in danger.

I also believe that many of Rick's decisions are too 'morally correct' and that almost no one would truly react that way in a Zombie Apocalypse, he'd be dead if it wasn't for plot armor.

If Shane absolutely had to die, it shouldn't have been by Rick's hand, it should have been while protecting Carl. His death felt rushed and for those of us that liked him, it's like killing off the main character of a series.

I don't think he was psychopathic, I mean he was heartbroken, he lost the woman he loves, but she's still within arms reach. Anyone who's lost someone they loved knows how painful that can be, but no one seems to care. It's just one really complicated situation where everyone gets to be happy except him. When was the last time anyone thought of him instead of blamed him? When was the last time he smiled? He made Rick's life so much easier, made the decision to kill Randall so he wouldn't have to.

He most certainly DID NOT make Rick's life easier. He criticized Rick every step of the way and bred deception amongst the group. He also began plotting Rick's murder the morning after Rick found his family. If Dale hadn't caught him he might have killed Rick back at the quarry. If he had everyone would have died since it was RICK'S GUNS that saved them, not Shane.
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I am depressed Shane died. From a story standpoint he added allot. From the POV of the characters, he so had to die. Rick wasn't given much choice at the end. Shane was quite clear, it was kill or be killed. Even after Rick went back for him, he still tried to kill him a second time. Not just in unplanned rage, but in cold a calculated manner

Now then... Shane wasn't a psycho. Psycho's can't form attachments with people. They're good at faking it, but Shane's downfall is BECAUSE he got attached to Rick's family. He let his obsession consume him. Do I think Shane could have come back? Yes I do. Honestly, Rick and Lori were not the ones to give the support to pull him back. By the time Lori tried to fix her irrational and hateful behavior towards Shane, all she did was push Shane over that much further cause it was too late.

Rick should have been on his knees kissing Shane's boots for keeping his family safe, and when he found out about the dalliance (I refuse to say affair as Both thought Lori was a widow) He should have confronted Shane with: "I know you and Lori slept together. I'm angry about it. I know it's not either of your faults'. I know you both thought I was dead so I understand, but I'm still angry at it. I'm still grateful that you saved them Shane, but that time you and My wife had, can't ever have happened if we're to get through this. All three of us. We need to know we can trust each other."

Not what he did with 18 miles out. That was stupid. Honestly... I may have snapped in a rage at what Rick pulled. I think if the group was a little more sympathetic towards Shane and showed him a bit more compassion, he wouldn't have been isolated, and rather than focus on what he lost, he would have focused on what he had with the group and would have pulled himself from his funk. Then the group would have had one more soldier going into the prison.

I do disagree with Rick not surviving. You can maintain your morals and still live. I think it disgusting what Shane did to Otis and from the safety of my computer I'd like to think I wouldn't have done that. ( I admit I probably would have ran ahead of him if I could have.) I also can't say what I would do if I REALLY was in that situation. I condemn the action, and even forgetting Carl in this, I don't know if I could condemn a man who simply didn't want to die in such a horrible manner.

Also.. the whole Randal thing. I could understand Rick's desire not to kill him. He's a cop not a jury and not a judge and sure as hell not an executioner. He was still new to the whole ZA. Once taken into custody, Randal was a responsibility. Shane didn't kill Randal to spare Rick, it was part of a trap to get Rick alone.

Sophia.... they were both right. It's not easy to abandon a child so I could see looking for her maybe another 2 or 3 days before giving up, but Shane is right. After a few days it starts becoming a recovery, not a rescue, and they don't have time for a body recovery.

Shane NEVER should have busted open those doors. That was dangerous and stupid. He proved his point shooting the walker in the chest in front of Hershel. Shane needed a vent for his anger, just like when he rearranged Ed's face. Just because he picked a target we disliked doesn't change the wrongness of his actions.

story wise Shane died the best possible death. Brutality vs Humanity. Cold hard survival vs Coming together. It was also necessary to give Rick the edge he needed. He was fine going INTO the prison before Lori died and he snapped from the pressure. If Rick could recover from a full nervous breakdown complete with seeing and hearing things, then Shane could have recovered if given the right chance.

Lord.. sorry about the book.
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