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JesusMonroe , Jun 05 2013 11:47 PM
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05 June 2013 - 11:47 PM

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Anybody watch Dexter? The eighth season is to premiere on the 30th of June and I'm wicked excited. For the final season of Breaking Bad, we had to wait a year and the Shield was eighteen months but I'm shocked that they got this season done so quickly. I hope it doesn't diminish the quality.

Anyway, I figured this could be a place where we discuss what we think is going to happen and such. Any theories? I think the series is going to end with Deb killing Dexter. I'm not sure but I think it's inevitable that he's going to die at the end
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?

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06 June 2013 - 12:17 AM

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I need to catch up on a few seasons, though I'm aware of what's happened recently. I wouldn't be surprised if Deb ends up killing Dexter, to which she will be associated with not only his murder, but all of the other murders Dexter has carried out over the series and thus, she will be accused of being the "Bay Harbour Butcher" and so forth. But I've always envisioned the show ending with Dexter in a prison cell, talking about his past and that all of the narrations were of him reciting everything he has done..
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06 June 2013 - 12:50 AM

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If you are planning on catching up, skip the sixth season. It's honestly one of the worst seasons of television I've ever witnessed. Seven is great, though. All you need to know about six is...
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?

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06 June 2013 - 09:53 PM

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Glad to hear 7 is better than 6. I've got some catching up to do as soon as I finish watching The Wire.
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06 June 2013 - 10:12 PM

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Does the Wire get better by the way? I finished Season 1 and wasn't impressed. I actually fell asleep through some episodes. I heard Season 2 is the worst and I don't want to go through another season before it gets good. If I don't like it by the end of Season 1, should I just give up? I understand the social commentary and everything. It just bores me
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?

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07 June 2013 - 04:31 AM

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I enjoyed watching the show, about as half as much as I enjoyed TWD. Dexter was intriguing in that here was a serial killer with access to police files and part of forensics to where he could muck up the evidence if he needed to. Even more intriguing was the fact that he killed other killers (or in one case a child molester and a drug-dealer). Stokes was over the top I thought, but how LaGuerta suddenly got all suspicious of him (especially since she had the hots for him in S1), felt a bit contrived. Lundy should have sniffed Dexter out, being the FBI chief profiler and all. I guess his romance with Deb got in the way of it.
It'd be interesting to see how they will play out. Deb being in love with him (fortunately they're not blood related) should add a nice twist. By the end she should be one pretty messed up character.
Wonders what will happen to little Harrison, and also with Astor and Cody... likely they'll stay with grandparents. Definitely one of the most prolific serial killers of all time.
Wonder also if they'll do a little trick with Harrison at the end, showing an ambiguous smile that hints he may grow up to follow his father's bloody footsteps. They had Dexter wondering about that.
I'll watch the final season. Was thinking that maybe he would escape detection and relocate (with Harrison) and continue elsewhere. But I guess there's only so far they could take this show.
Hope it'll be a satisfactory ending.
Interesting that Michael Hall and Jennifer Carpenter were actually married at one time.


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1. Why he didn't go further out to sea where the bottom is much deeper so that divers would never have a chance to find them, and used weighed burlap sacks so that eventually it'll rot and the bottom feeders will dispose of the remains.
2. All those cops and only a couple actually managed to smell something fishy about their blood splatter analyst.
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Does the Wire get better by the way? I finished Season 1 and wasn't impressed. I actually fell asleep through some episodes. I heard Season 2 is the worst and I don't want to go through another season before it gets good. If I don't like it by the end of Season 1, should I just give up? I understand the social commentary and everything. It just bores me


I've just finished season one as well, and heard the same thing about season two. It took me three or four episodes to really get into the show...it's not like TWD where it grabs you by the balls from the get-go. I hope to start season two tonight, so I'll let you know what I think. My sis says that seasons 3 and 4 are the best of the lot, so I'll at least hang in there to get to that point. I found that I have to put myself into the right mindset to watch it, but I really, really like it. Such great writing and acting. Heck, I'd watch it for Omar alone...what an iconic character.
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23 September 2013 - 08:38 PM

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Jesus Christ this was literally the worst final season of any show and the worst series finale I've ever seen. I spit on my OP in this topic. I'm ashamed of being a fan of anything beyond Season 4.
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?

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24 September 2013 - 12:59 AM

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That was the absolutely worst finale in TV history IMO.
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24 September 2013 - 01:17 AM

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Word, DaneBramage. Simply awful. The only good thing to come out of this season was that there were so many snarky comments on the AV Club that were so hilarious that it just made this season worth it.

Seriously, though, what season of a show has been so bad that it caused even the die hard fans to turn against it? I hated Season 6 but many still loved it. It was rare to find somebody who liked Season 8. Even Clyde Phillips, the original showrunner, expressed his distaste for it. Even the Dexter subreddits vomited all over the show and usually those only consist of fans

This is absolutely unthinkable for a show. I've never seen Heroes, but I've heard it's only had one good season. Dexter had 2 incredible ones (Seasons 1 and 2), 2 great ones (4 and 7) and a good one (3). I've never seen a show hit rock bottom like this. It's unfathomable. How was this considered acceptable quality? It's awful

I know I've expressed my erm...distaste in the Walking Dead show before and while I don't know if it'll ever be good as Dexter was in Season 2 (it's certainly possible), I don't think it can ever hit low as this season. The worst part is, it wasn't even so bad that it was funny and will be remembered as one of the worst things ever. It was dull and uninspired, the worst TV can possibly be

I'm making a new word. A show declining in quality will now be referred to as "Dextering"

"Did you see the new Homeland last night?"

"Nah, man. I quit after Season 9. They totally Dextered that show."

I hope it doesn't diminish the quality.
I'm not sure but I think it's inevitable that he's going to die at the end


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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?

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25 September 2013 - 02:11 PM

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When I compare the series finale to previous season finales(from seasons 1-4) I have to say this one was pretty anticlimactic. It just feels like there is untapped potential, and I always find that frustrating. I wonder if they had planned to make the show only 5 seasons long, and had poured all their creative genius into season 5 as the last hurrah, what the series finale would have looked like? The tension caused by the Brain Surgeon really doesn't approach how tense scenes with Dexter's brother were, or Doakes, or Trinity. That is a huge letdown when you know it is the last of Dexter that we'll see. They also wasted way too much time on pointless crap like Masuka's daughter. That led nowhere!

There were a few things that I did sort of like about this finale though:

- Dexter always though that the biggest risk to his "lifestyle" was getting caught. As it turned out, the greatest risk was actually those pesky feelings. That is what truly destroyed him and resulted in lumberjack Dexter.

- Part of the whole "Dexter" premise was Dexter becoming a real boy, having real feelings, loving and being loved, and being able to leave his dark passenger behind. He did all those things, and realized in the process that the cost was too great. Everyone(except Harrison!) in his life would be better off if he had been caught in season 1.

- I like that it is ambiguous as to whether Dex took up killing again.

- I really think that Quinn has a decent idea of who Dexter is and what he does, or else maybe he is just so okay with him killing whatshisface out of revenge for Deb. Either way, I liked Quinn in this episode, and Desmond Harringtons acting was superb. I totally believed him at the hospital, and when he blew up.

- I did think the finale packed some emotional punch. Deb and Dexter always squeeze my heart, especially with the flashbacks. Oh, those were the days. Deb looked some young, beautiful and innocent.
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Jesus Christ this was literally the worst final season of any show and the worst series finale I've ever seen. I spit on my OP in this topic. I'm ashamed of being a fan of anything beyond Season 4.


That was the absolutely worst finale in TV history IMO.


Agreed, and agreed. It's hard to believe this was one of my favorite shows at one point, back in S1 & 2. I suffered through this final season just because I loved the first few and wanted to see how it would end. It really boggles my mind how they thought this was a good finale. It's seriously like they just gave up; like they had no idea how to end it and just shrugged and said, 'Well, let's just do this, I don't know what to do.' So much potential just wasted. I wonder if the writers from past seasons were fired or left for greener pastures? I have no idea, but I can't believe the same people could have been involved in any of the first few seasons. I'd really love to hear what the actors thought of the finale; I'd find it hard to believe that any of them found it a satisfying end to the series.

They also wasted way too much time on pointless crap like Masuka's daughter. That led nowhere!


I know! I kept expecting it to turn out she was a serial killer, or actually afer Masuka for money and it turn out into some interesting twist, but no...just filler I suppose. And the young psycho, what's-his-name. Suddenly he turned out dead, just when I felt his arc was getting a bit interesting...ugh.
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28 September 2013 - 01:32 PM

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Agreed, and agreed. It's hard to believe this was one of my favorite shows at one point, back in S1 & 2. I suffered through this final season just because I loved the first few and wanted to see how it would end. It really boggles my mind how they thought this was a good finale. It's seriously like they just gave up; like they had no idea how to end it and just shrugged and said, 'Well, let's just do this, I don't know what to do.' So much potential just wasted. I wonder if the writers from past seasons were fired or left for greener pastures? I have no idea, but I can't believe the same people could have been involved in any of the first few seasons. I'd really love to hear what the actors thought of the finale; I'd find it hard to believe that any of them found it a satisfying end to the series.

Clyde Phillips (showrunner of seasons 1-4) did an AMA on Reddit. You can tell his barely constrained contempt for Buck.

The worst thing about this season is that it was the FINAL season. It could've been written on autopilot. Miami Metro should've found out who Dexter was. At the end, we could see some people respecting him for it and some people despising him. Like, Masuka finds evidence that could possibly clear a convicted pedophile, looks at his daughter, and throws it out. Quinn decides to clean up his act, etc.

The entire season could be the manhunt while Dexter controls his urge to kill, Dex vs. Deb, and Dexter now on his own with no code, being a full fledged serial killer. The last few episodes could be Dexter in court.

And this is the last scene (Clyde Phillip's idea). Dexter is about to get his verdict. Just before the judge says it, jump cut to Dexter waking up all sweaty. It pans out and reveals he's strapped to a table about to receive a lethal injection. He looks up and sees Brian, Trinity, Laguerta, etc. EVERYONE.

My opinion on Dexter Seasons:

2>1>4>>>7>3>>>5>>>>>>>>>6>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>8
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?

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30 September 2013 - 02:56 AM

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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?

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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?




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