Could Ezekiel Be A Traitor?

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Atleast Obama isnt your president-.-'
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03 April 2013 - 01:26 PM

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I would still take Negan over Stephen Harper any day.


Well, politically Harper is way closer to Negan than Mulcair and Trudeau are...
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03 April 2013 - 02:29 PM

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Well, politically Harper is way closer to Negan than Mulcair and Trudeau are...

Unfortunately true, just saying i'd take a cool psychotic dictator with some integrity & style over our psychotic dictator, maybe if harper announced that he was gunna slide his dick down our throats instead of sneakily disabling all of democratic safeguards while sliding propaganda down our throats, I could slightly respect him as a dictator. Harpers more like the governor... mulcair or may will probably get my vote. I'm hoping j trudeau isn't a racist like his father, I just can't believe that the guy who drafted the CCRF could be so racist.
Yeah Obama sucks too, I was so optimistic too, but he's just as bad as the rest of em....I hope this whole Korean thing doesn't result in a war between the us and canada. Although the threat of nukes is probably just a distraction.
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At least we don't have to sacrifice lives to get Harper out of there and he doesn't go around senselessly killing people. That's the main difference between a democratic society and the rednecks just playing kings of the neighborhood like Negan does in The Walking Dead and Warlords do in Afghanistan etc. That being said, let's hope more of us decide that enough is enough in 2015.
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03 April 2013 - 04:07 PM

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After Dwight, I'm not so sure the same angle would be revisited on a semi-larger scale.
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03 April 2013 - 04:22 PM

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Ezekiel can't be a traitor because he's not even part of Rick's group. If anything, Ezekiel and Rick will defeat Negan and later Ezekiel will prove to be even more dangerous than the Saviors themselves. But it's not treason.
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I still saying Negan is may possibly be a good guy. A little sick but in Ezek is very power driven. Anyone naming themselves kings after the ZA, and has a group of surviving "LARPS". Come on maybe Negan is necessary in this word. I mean Rick set the tone by killing like 10 of his guys at first. Kirkman made us hate him by killing Glen. If this story was about Negan and the enemy rick took out ten of his survivors we'd be ripped. Look at what Rick did to the Hunters for just killing Dale, and playing with the group. Ezek isn't good news.


If I recall correctly, Dwight and the motorcycle gang demanded all of Rick and crew's supplies under threat of death, and that's why they opened fire on them.
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06 April 2013 - 08:18 AM

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I think Ezekiel will fight with Rick during the Negan arc, after that he will remain "dormant" and probably will be used by kirkman for future conficts.


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28 July 2013 - 06:02 PM

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I think ezekiel will eventually turn on rick's group and michonne will side with ezekiel.
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28 July 2013 - 06:22 PM

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In my opinion the most likely traitors in the upcoming war would be: Gregory, Nicholas, Gabriel, or Eugene. I would be skeptical that Ezekiel be the one to doublecross Rick and the rest - he benefits much more to have Rick as an ally for trade and in case there is ANOTHER Negan down the road in which their response will be similar. It's the natural progression of civilization to be cyclical. The survivors that have made it this far (at least the one's we've seen) are mostly large groups with some form of sanctuary from the zombies. As the groups interact with each other - the political struggles become more inevitable. Who has the most to benefit from ditching ASZ, Hilltop, or The Kingdom for Negan and The Saviors? Probably not Ezekiel - he's at the top of the chain over there. The only boss on the "traitor" radar would be one who's current hold on his people is weak. You know who we're talking about. Both Nicholas and Gabriel have had a history of going behind Rick's back. Gabriel tried to out Rick's group to Douglas as ruthless killers and too dangerous to be allowed to stay. Nicholas tried a direct coup to overtake Rick as leader of ASZ. In other threads I've explained why I think it could also be Eugene (but I hope it's not).
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28 July 2013 - 06:58 PM

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I wouldn't say that Ezekiel is a traitor per say, but I do believe that he DEFINITELY has ulterior motives.
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28 July 2013 - 07:09 PM

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I don't think Zeke will be a traitor, he has no real reason to be.
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30 July 2013 - 12:38 AM

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I don't think Zeke will be a traitor, he has no real reason to be.

That's what I think. Surely he would want Negan out of the picture for obvious reasons, but why would he want to destroy/conquer ASZ or Hilltop? I don't think the extra resources of these two communities is enough to make Zeke be a Negan type figure. But at the same time I've had a fishy feeling about this guy ever since we first met him. So I really have no idea what this guys angle is. Maybe he is simply protecting his kingdom
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30 July 2013 - 12:46 AM

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That's what I think. Surely he would want Negan out of the picture for obvious reasons, but why would he want to destroy/conquer ASZ or Hilltop? I don't think the extra resources of these two communities is enough to make Zeke be a Negan type figure. But at the same time I've had a fishy feeling about this guy ever since we first met him. So I really have no idea what this guys angle is. Maybe he is simply protecting his kingdom

The idea that people like me think is that once Negan's out of the picture, he'll want to be the sole ruler of all the communities rather than all of them working together
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?

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30 July 2013 - 01:40 AM

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The idea that people like me think is that once Negan's out of the picture, he'll want to be the sole ruler of all the communities rather than all of them working together


I see what you're saying but what does he want to do? Enslave them? Take their stuff?
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30 July 2013 - 03:09 AM

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I don't think Ezekiel plans on betraying the Hilltop or ASZ,though I do agree with walkerbait13,I believe Ezekiel has ulterior motives.
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For the storyline to go down the path of Ezekiel being a "traitor", a combination of these scenarios would have to take place:
-Shiva gets killed
-Michonne gets killed
-The Hilltop and Survivors suffer more casualties than The Kingdom
-Rick gets blamed for all the above, possibly including the stunt of trying to kill Negan which likely triggers the war and screws their original plan
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30 July 2013 - 01:22 PM

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For the storyline to go down the path of Ezekiel being a "traitor", a combination of these scenarios would have to take place:
-Shiva gets killed
-Michonne gets killed
-The Hilltop and Survivors suffer more casualties than The Kingdom
-Rick gets blamed for all the above, possibly including the stunt of trying to kill Negan which likely triggers the war and screws their original plan

I've actually suggested all of these besides one

-Rick killing Shiva because she attacks Carl
-Ezekiel killing Michonne because he knows she's ASZ's strongest fighter OR she dies in battle and Ezekiel blames Rick for dragging him into the war
-I haven't suggested the next one before but I think it's interesting. Wouldn't it make more sense for Hilltop and Survivors to suffer LESS casualties than Kingdom and now the Kingdom feels like they suffered the most for a war they didn't start?
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?

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The problem with The Kingdom losing too many men, is that it would weaken Ezekiel's power. He already has 30 in fighting shape, so he believably could still suffer more casualties and STILL have more survivors than the Hilltop, Saviors, and Survivors.

Whoever has more troops at the end of this war will be in a position to exert their authority.
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31 July 2013 - 12:28 AM

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The problem with The Kingdom losing too many men, is that it would weaken Ezekiel's power. He already has 30 in fighting shape, so he believably could still suffer more casualties and STILL have more survivors than the Hilltop, Saviors, and Survivors.

Whoever has more troops at the end of this war will be in a position to exert their authority.

I forgot what issue (I believe it was 111) but Rick said the Kingdom had more fighters than ASZ and Hilltop combined so the Kingdom could still suffer the most casualties and still be the strongest community
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?

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31 July 2013 - 12:42 AM

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Yep the Kingdom has 30 guys and Hilltop plus Survivors have 20 a piece. Zeke can lose half his people (including his tiger which drives him mad) and still be in a good spot.

Also, I think at least 2 of the 4 warring communities will cease to exist after All Out War. Where the displaced people go can play a big role, especially based on the history of after a war.

Based on history, after a war there are haves and have-nots. Best example is post WW2. The allies are richer than ever, Germany struggles to function under sanctions, powerful dictator emerges. Could that dictator end up being Ezekiel?
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31 July 2013 - 12:46 AM

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Yep the Kingdom has 30 guys and Hilltop plus Survivors have 20 a piece. Zeke can lose half his people (including his tiger which drives him mad) and still be in a good spot.

Also, I think at least 2 of the 4 warring communities will cease to exist after All Out War. Where the displaced people go can play a big role, especially based on the history of after a war.

Based on history, after a war there are haves and have-nots. Best example is post WW2. The allies are richer than ever, Germany struggles to function under sanctions, powerful dictator emerges. Could that dictator end up being Ezekiel?

Oh crap. I think you're onto something. I didn't think about that.

The Hilltop fighters would be the weakest if I had to guess and Rick's are probably the second most capable behind the Saviors.

Edit: Are you thinking post WWI? I know we had the depression but the roaring twenties were before that
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?

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Haha my bad I meant the events leading up to WW2, post WW1.
During our roaring twenties, the opposite took place in Germany.
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