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I have a feeling that however bad Glenn's death was, what Rick, Abraham, Michonne and Andrea did to the hunters was worse. That's why it wasn't shown on-panel.


I would agree the hunters first but glenn a very very close second you could almost put them as a tie...the hunters basically got ripped limb from limb.
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Haha easy mistake in the walking dead mixing up names. The prison deaths minus tyreese were somewhat quick and painless. A lot of headshots.

Yeah seriously! He had to have had his hand over his mouth to keep him quiet too, just awful.
Another bad one is hershels twin girls, watching your twin sister get decapitated and knowing you're next. Yeeeeesh!


Plus he sawed off their heads with a fuckin butcher knife.
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I thought Tyreese' was pretty brutal... I mean, sitting helplessly while all your friends and people you care about watch a psycho attempt to hack your neck with a katana. That took a few hacks, i mean... he had to feel some of that right?


I still don't get why no one just shot the Governor in the face before he killed Tyrese.
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I still don't get why no one just shot the Governor in the face before he killed Tyrese.

The Governor lied and said he had Michonne in the truck as a hostage. This lie had merit since the Governor had her katana and the group knew she left with Tyreese
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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Someone suggested Carol. I can see that. Letting herself get eaten.

Part of me wants to say Shane. It wasn't like graphic brutal but think about it. He sees an opening to seize all he wants. A woman, a kid, gonna off the man that stands in his way. That same kid, the would be son, takes him down.

It also sent the first real message that this comic wasn't f-ing around when it came to characters being in danger.
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Angel: I stopped Acathla. That saved the world.

Spike: Buffy ran you through with a sword.

Angel: Yeah, but I made her do it. Signaled her with my eyes.

Spike: She killed you. I helped her. That one counts as mine.

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The Governor lied and said he had Michonne in the truck as a hostage. This lie had merit since the Governor had her katana and the group knew she left with Tyreese


If I recall correctly he said he had Michonne back at Woodbury as a hostage (which I did forget) but that still doesn't make sense to me. So lets say he DID have Michonne, the group can't assume he was bluffing but they also had no proof she was even alive, and they had no way to save her if she WAS alive. They DID have proof that Tyrese was alive (he was right in front of them alive and healthy) and had they killed the Governor right there that's at least 1 life that's GUARANTEED to be saved. Just doing the math of the situation it's not feasible to trade the potential to keep one person alive (that you really had no way of saving even if he wasn't bluffing) by letting someone you can DEFINITELY save die horribly. They traded and ACTUAL life for the promise that someone else has a CHANCE of surviving... maybe I'm wrong here but I think the better option is to just kill the Governor, save Tyrese and hope that the war dies with Philip then worry about saving Michonne later, if she's even alive and if he wasn't bluffing about having her.
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Rick and the rest where weak back then , did not know how to fight still trying to figure out the new "rules".
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If I recall correctly he said he had Michonne back at Woodbury as a hostage (which I did forget) but that still doesn't make sense to me. So lets say he DID have Michonne, the group can't assume he was bluffing but they also had no proof she was even alive, and they had no way to save her if she WAS alive. They DID have proof that Tyrese was alive (he was right in front of them alive and healthy) and had they killed the Governor right there that's at least 1 life that's GUARANTEED to be saved. Just doing the math of the situation it's not feasible to trade the potential to keep one person alive (that you really had no way of saving even if he wasn't bluffing) by letting someone you can DEFINITELY save die horribly. They traded and ACTUAL life for the promise that someone else has a CHANCE of surviving... maybe I'm wrong here but I think the better option is to just kill the Governor, save Tyrese and hope that the war dies with Philip then worry about saving Michonne later, if she's even alive and if he wasn't bluffing about having her.


I can't post pictures of the climatic scene but the Governor said that "they had Michonne." I always assumed this meant she was in the truck but she could be in the camp I guess

If the group did assume Michonne was on the truck, they said that they just had to hold out and hope that Michonne would "have enough time to escape"

Tyreese wasn't guaranteed to be saved. The Governor had men with him. He was badly beaten and bound. If Billy shot the Governor, Tyreese could've tried to run but then just get mown down by the Governor's men and then Michonne would be guaranteed to die (once the Governor arrived back at Woodbury)

Plus, Billy DID shoot at the Governor. He missed. Andrea had already left the prison at this point so she couldn't have done anything

So in summary, Tyreese is guaranteed to die no matter what they do. If they try to kill the Governor, Michonne is definitely going to die and they want to give her a chance (Rick did at least).

The best possible situation would be the group knowing the Governor is lying, killing him, and also dooming Tyreese in the process. You are correct that they should've shot and killed him (but Andrea wasn't there so if they missed the shot, and they did, Michonne would be doomed), but with the knowledge that they currently had, they made the right choice. It was logical to assume the Governor did have Michonne if he had her katana
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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They all are still clinging onto the old way of life at that point of the story.

Rick was still trying to be a family man hanging onto the old ways and did not have the will to fight he does now nor did any of the group besides Michonne and Tye.
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Rick and the rest where weak back then , did not know how to fight still trying to figure out the new "rules".


This does make some sense but Rick was already pretty gangsta at this point, I don't buy that he was too timid to kill the Governor, not after all that had happened up until that point.
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Rick also was a pretty shitty cop(got himself shot/bad tactics) and does not have a very good tactical mind.
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I can't post pictures of the climatic scene but the Governor said that "they had Michonne." I always assumed this meant she was in the truck but she could be in the camp I guess

If the group did assume Michonne was on the truck, they said that they just had to hold out and hope that Michonne would "have enough time to escape"

Tyreese wasn't guaranteed to be saved. The Governor had men with him. He was badly beaten and bound. If Billy shot the Governor, Tyreese could've tried to run but then just get mown down by the Governor's men and then Michonne would be guaranteed to die (once the Governor arrived back at Woodbury)

Plus, Billy DID shoot at the Governor. He missed. Andrea had already left the prison at this point so she couldn't have done anything

So in summary, Tyreese is guaranteed to die no matter what they do. If they try to kill the Governor, Michonne is definitely going to die and they want to give her a chance (Rick did at least).

The best possible situation would be the group knowing the Governor is lying, killing him, and also dooming Tyreese in the process. You are correct that they should've shot and killed him (but Andrea wasn't there so if they missed the shot, and they did, Michonne would be doomed), but with the knowledge that they currently had, they made the right choice. It was logical to assume the Governor did have Michonne if he had her katana


I disagree. The Governor showed up with 1 man in a truck that holds 2 people. Tyrese was anything but doomed if they killed the Governor, it was literally his only chance at survival and likely would have worked since the other guy that the Governor brought with him would have to choose between retreating from the bullets that just killed his boss or killing Tyrese... and I don't think killing Tyrese would be worth sacrificing himself.

And Billy shot at them AFTER they already started moving, hitting a moving target is a lot harder than hitting a stationary one which is why he missed.
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They all are still clinging onto the old way of life at that point of the story.

Rick was still trying to be a family man hanging onto the old ways and did not have the will to fight he does now nor did any of the group besides Michonne and Tye.


Didn't Rick kill like 3 people already at that point? Plus he lost his hand to this bastard... I don't think he had any problem killing anyone at that point.
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I disagree. The Governor showed up with 1 man in a truck that holds 2 people. Tyrese was anything but doomed if they killed the Governor, it was literally his only chance at survival and likely would have worked since the other guy that the Governor brought with him would have to choose between retreating from the bullets that just killed his boss or killing Tyrese... and I don't think killing Tyrese would be worth sacrificing himself.

And Billy shot at them AFTER they already started moving, hitting a moving target is a lot harder than hitting a stationary one which is why he missed.

The Governor was in fully body armor. Only a perfect headshot could kill him and they had quite a bit of distance between them. If Billy did make that shot (they did comment he was the best besides Andrea) , Gabe (Governor's guy) would've just immediately have killed Tyreese. There's no situation where Tyreese would've lived. Even the one where they give up the prison for his life. The Governor had made up his mind.

I don't think the truck was moving. Granted, it's hard to tell since it's a comic panel, but it was just the Governor and Gabe in the truck. When he gives the order to get moving, Gabe is still on the bed of the truck. The Governor kicks the body out and Billy starts shooting.

Anyway, whether or not the truck was moving or not doesn't matter because Michonne was the pivotal factor in this decision

And for the record, I don't think Rick would have any problem killing the Governor since he already shot a man in cold blood and strangled a possibly "innocent" man to death
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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The Governor was in fully body armor. Only a perfect headshot could kill him and they had quite a bit of distance between them. If Billy did make that shot (they did comment he was the best besides Andrea) , Gabe (Governor's guy) would've just immediately have killed Tyreese. There's no situation where Tyreese would've lived. Even the one where they give up the prison for his life. The Governor had made up his mind.

I don't think the truck was moving. Granted, it's hard to tell since it's a comic panel, but it was just the Governor and Gabe in the truck. When he gives the order to get moving, Gabe is still on the bed of the truck. The Governor kicks the body out and Billy starts shooting.

Anyway, whether or not the truck was moving or not doesn't matter because Michonne was the pivotal factor in this decision

And for the record, I don't think Rick would have any problem killing the Governor since he already shot a man in cold blood and strangled a possibly "innocent" man to death


I think a high powered Rifle bullet is going to tear right through that riot gear, it wasn't designed to take any kind of bullets let alone a bullet from a 30-06 (the standard hunting rifle which it looked like Billy was indeed using.) And I meant The Governor was actually walking when Billy shot at him, he was in the process of getting back into the truck. Gabe was positioned on the side of the truck; he would have had 2 options when the bullets started flying, 1) run away from the Sniper who just killed his boss and is currently shooting at him, get in the truck and just leave as fast as he possibly could, or 2) Run toward the bullets get in position in front of the truck, stand still for the second it takes to line up the shot with his back to the sniper who is still trying to kill him, take the shot on Tyrese, then run back to the other side of the truck, get in the truck and drive away as fast as he can all while sniper bullets are flying everywhere.

I don't know about you but I would certainly take option 1. I'm not giving up my life to kill some random black dude especially after the boss who wanted him dead is dead now ANYWAY.
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I just looked at the panel where Billy shoots at the Governor and it does seem the riot gear is completely bullet proof. While I have some factual problems with that I can't argue with the evidence on the page, Billy would have indeed needed a head shot.
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Glen's death really takes the cake on this question! I still can't get over the way he tried to call out to Maggie :(... Jessie comes in a close 2nd. Tyreese's death really stuck with me as well. Though I didn't like Lori that much, but her and Judy dying was pivotal to the series. Ahhhh!! I can't decide! So many horrible deaths!!


Glen's death shook me badly. It really broke my heart. Of all the issues that is the only issue I gave a single reading to. I just can't go back and regret reading it the first time. It just hurts so much because it was Glen. When he calls out to Maggie....
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Rick also was a pretty shitty cop(got himself shot/bad tactics) and does not have a very good tactical mind.


THIS! Rick is possible the worst tactician in all of the walking dead. Why anyone listens to him in beyond a mystery. I just don't understand why Rick's paranoia hasn't truly kicked in yet. I am a bit disappointed as Rick's stupidity is used to drive story line and plot. Instead of stepping up the villains we rely on Rick being inept. Rick really needs to get smart or this is going to become too repetitive and painful to read.

I hate to bring up The Dark Knight Rises but didn't Bruce Wayne realize that a whole legion of organized men that live in secret knew pretty much everything about him. These guys cam to his house, where he freakin lives, and burned it to the ground and tried to kill him and then destroy the city he lives in. Yet batsy can't see retribution coming his way after killing their leader!? Good grief! I forget who said this but ..."evil usually triumphs unless good is very, very careful" Rick, for the love of god please use your brain for once and win this one without luck! Rick
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Rick also was a pretty shitty cop(got himself shot/bad tactics) and does not have a very good tactical mind.

Arguable.
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Arguable.


Rick states himself that he was never a very good cop.
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Rick states himself that he was never a very good cop.

what issue?
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what issue?


I don't remember but he was talking about why he thinks he's a leader and why people listen to him, He talks about how he used to hink it was because of his history as a cop and says something like "I was never very good"
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I don't remember but he was talking about why he thinks he's a leader and why people listen to him, He talks about how he used to hink it was because of his history as a cop and says something like "I was never very good"


I believe it was #96. It was when Rick/Michonne/Glenn/Andrea were leaving Hilltop, after their first visit. Rick was giving one of his long winded speeches, and talking about why they always looked to him as leader, even though he never asked for the job.
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I still don't get why no one just shot the Governor in the face before he killed Tyrese.


Because that would fuck up the carefully planned plot arcs......

Michonne could have killed the Governor very easily and didn't - why? Probably so that the writers could give us a climactic battle of the Prison.

Rick and Co. could have killed Negan quite easily a couple of times already - why didn't they? Because that fucks up the arc and deflates the tension and conflict that has been building.
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Glen's death was horrible, but for me, the absolute worst was Rachel and Susie just because of their ages, the manner in which they died and that they died in the one place that was supposedly safe. That really affected me
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