Why Does The Governor Want The Prison ?

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So we all know from sneak pics/videos that The Governor wants The Prison from Rick's group. but WHY ? Doe's he want the physical property/ does he want the people of Rick's group/ etc. ??? Just thought I would see your opinions as this story line is quickly approaching, maybe even starting tonight in episode 03-04 . Any ideas ? Doe's The Governor want to do some sort of Evil Experiments ??????
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I must admit I have wondered the same thing. After seeing Woodbury, it seems nicer than the prison. The only thing I can think of is if Woodbury's defenses are not strong enough for the Governor he may think the prison is a stronger position.
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I must admit I have wondered the same thing. After seeing Woodbury, it seems nicer than the prison. The only thing I can think of is if Woodbury's defenses are not strong enough for the Governor he may think the prison is a stronger position.


The tour guide lady said that the walls hadn't been breached in well over a month, a prison with it's multiple fences wouldn't be breached at all so he could want it for the security.

However, would you rather live in nice, picturesque Woodbury or a stinky, dull, depressing prison? So he doesn't want it for a step up in living conditions or scenery.

Maybe he's just a control freak? Given his speech at the breakfast table to Andrea and Michionne, he seems to want to be leader of the new world, another group could challenge that further down the road so I think he sees them as a threat and wants to take what's useful and kill whats a threat.
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The tour guide lady said that the walls hadn't been breached in well over a month, a prison with it's multiple fences wouldn't be breached at all so he could want it for the security.

However, would you rather live in nice, picturesque Woodbury or a stinky, dull, depressing prison? So he doesn't want it for a step up in living conditions or scenery.

Maybe he's just a control freak? Given his speech at the breakfast table to Andrea and Michionne, he seems to want to be leader of the new world, another group could challenge that further down the road so I think he sees them as a threat and wants to take what's useful and kill whats a threat.


Maybe they could brighten the place up a bit... bring in linens and furniture and things from Woodbury. Haven't you ever watched HGTV? ;-)

Seriously, I do think it's just him wanting to quash any groups that would threaten the community he's created and his leadership. If they're seemingly tough enough to be seen as a threat, I have a feeling he'd do what he did with the military guys -- kill them all and take what's useful. It makes me worried for Andrea -- and even more worried for Michonne, since she's not trying in the slightest to tone down her distrust of him.
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Maybe he wants the Prison as HIS Persona Fortress.....where he and the Evil Mad Scientist can do their wicked Experiments on People and Lukers/Roamers. I do think that The Guvnor has a Very Evil Streak in him. Where this Apocalypse has brought out the Insane part of him that everyone has buried deep inside. but the Guvnor has allowed it to come out. In some ways that is useful but when things do get better, who wants a Dictator for a Mayor/Guvnor. Maybe he does Want to be "The Guvnor" of the whole state. a whole nother topic of his Nik-Name...The Guvnor ???...there is some Motive for him wanting to Take the Prison, because this guy even though he is Evil he seems to be a Thinking/Logically Cruel Man. There has to be a good Reason to risk, losses to his Troops to take the Prison under battle if necessary !
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I doubt the Governor wants the physical property or cares at all about the people in Rick's group (with the possible exception of Daryl).

I'm pretty sure he wants the same things Rick wanted when he took the prison: Food, medicine, and the guns and ammo in the prison armory.
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Maybe he's just a control freak? Given his speech at the breakfast table to Andrea and Michionne, he seems to want to be leader of the new world, another group could challenge that further down the road so I think he sees them as a threat and wants to take what's useful and kill whats a threat.

Seriously, I do think it's just him wanting to quash any groups that would threaten the community he's created and his leadership. If they're seemingly tough enough to be seen as a threat, I have a feeling he'd do what he did with the military guys -- kill them all and take what's useful. It makes me worried for Andrea -- and even more worried for Michonne, since she's not trying in the slightest to tone down her distrust of him.


I can agree with this. The Governor does not seem to be the most neighborly of neighbors.

Maybe he wants the Prison as HIS Persona Fortress.....where he and the Evil Mad Scientist can do their wicked Experiments on People and Lukers/Roamers.


This is possible too. We saw how the Governor seemed to be a bit cramped for space. It seems he's only able to collect heads at the present time. Perhaps he wants enough space to collect whole walkers and an expanded laboratory for his mad scientist minion. Once the collecting bug bites, it seems your collection always outgrows it's storage space.

Maybe they could brighten the place up a bit... bring in linens and furniture and things from Woodbury. Haven't you ever watched HGTV? ;-)


Then again maybe the Governor sees all that drab space and the Martha Stewart in him says, "Really, you simply must take this space and make it more appealing."
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Then again maybe the Governor sees all that drab space and the Martha Stewart in him says, "Really, you simply must take this space and make it more appealing."


That's why the Governor won't tell anyone his name. He was a big-time interior designer back in the real world. Just look at what a nice display he made with all those heads and fish tanks. Martha would be proud.
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I'm thinking they are going to find the armory and a lot of ammo..Rich mentioned the armory and if its not picked clean and the governor mentioned taking out a herd if only they had more reloads. A prison armory might have many thousands of rounds mostly for target practice reasons.
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Maybe the governor doesn't want the prison per se, just it's resources.
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Since he doesn't know about the prison he may or may not want it. :) Once he finds the prison, I think he might have a couple of motivations.

1. He sees himself as the potential ruler of the new world and he wants to nip in the bud any possible competition just like he nipped the soldiers.

2. Once he sees the prison he may very well see it as a stronger defensive position. He has done a good job with Woodbury but the place is bound to be leaky as a sieve and nowhere near as defendable as the prison
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About the armoury..and I may be wrong on this one (I usually am), but when Daryl, Rick and Glenn leave through the cut fence to go fetch some wood, I swear Rick says something to Glenn when he asks to shoot a walker across the stream that "If that armoury hadn't been picked clean we could spare the ammo"

No guns after all? :o
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About the armoury..and I may be wrong on this one (I usually am), but when Daryl, Rick and Glenn leave through the cut fence to go fetch some wood, I swear Rick says something to Glenn when he asks to shoot a walker across the stream that "If that armoury hadn't been picked clean we could spare the ammo"

No guns after all? :o


I think you may be correct about the quote from Rick about the armory being "picked clean", I'll have to go back and re-watch this last episode as I usually do every week. I enjoy watching the week's episode twice to really catch allot of the story-line that might be happening really quick like and hard to tell what they say or in fact the scenes themselves are sometimes hard to tell what is happening. Anyway; I think I am sticking to the theory that the Guvnor wants the Prison to have enough space to run his Evil Experiments......can you imagine if the Guvnor could exploit the roamers as an Evil Army ?
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Where does everyone get that the Governor wants the prison? I don't see a good reason for it.

The Governor has shown to be pretty manic about his refuge and moreso his power over it. If anything draws his interest, it's a group of survivors that he can bring into his kingdom or at least more heads for his fishtank collection. Actually, what I think would be the link between the two is Merle and Daryl. Somehow Merle is going to find Rick's group, he's already on the trail. Being the good dog he is, Merle will probably go back to the Governor with the info. If Merle knows his brother is in there, there isn't going to be any negotiation over the matter.

Draw them out or kidnap one of them when they come out for supplies which has to happen eventually. Make the enemy come to you, that seems to be more along the lines of fitting the Governor's interests.
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Maybe he wants the Prison as HIS Persona Fortress.....where he and the Evil Mad Scientist can do their wicked Experiments on People and Lukers/Roamers. I do think that The Guvnor has a Very Evil Streak in him. Where this Apocalypse has brought out the Insane part of him that everyone has buried deep inside. but the Guvnor has allowed it to come out. In some ways that is useful but when things do get better, who wants a Dictator for a Mayor/Guvnor. Maybe he does Want to be "The Guvnor" of the whole state. a whole nother topic of his Nik-Name...The Guvnor ???...there is some Motive for him wanting to Take the Prison, because this guy even though he is Evil he seems to be a Thinking/Logically Cruel Man. There has to be a good Reason to risk, losses to his Troops to take the Prison under battle if necessary !


Sorry but where is your "evil mad scientist" thing coming from? There's no proof yet that Milton is evil or a mad scientist. All I've gotten from him so far is he wants a better understanding of the walkers.

He wants the prison because Rick's group is well equipped and threatening to him and the prison is way better suited to defend and live at.
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Maybe leading up to that point of confrontation we see some sort of herd tear through his defenses and propelling him towards a safer spot such as the prison
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Sorry but where is your "evil mad scientist" thing coming from? There's no proof yet that Milton is evil or a mad scientist. All I've gotten from him so far is he wants a better understanding of the walkers.

He wants the prison because Rick's group is well equipped and threatening to him and the prison is way better suited to defend and live at.


Doc, I think when you read a lot of comics and watch a few too many cartoons and B movies, everyone with a white coat and a work space resembling a laboratory becomes an evil, mad scientist.
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SKriptyk ---> There was a Prequel Video shown where the Guvnor is standing behind the Main Gate at the Prison, Rick is on the other side and says "You can't have the Prison We Spilt Blood We are not going to let you have it" or something to that effect......

and DocManhattan89----> I am drawing conclusions but I would think that anyone that is closely related to the Guvnor must also be as mad and evil as he is. They are Definitely up to something and I think it is mad and evil.

I asked about the Prison because what is the Point other than a totally new and Better Defensive Position to take up residence. However; not many people would want to live inside a prison. Woodbury seems Idyllic looking from the outside in, but we all know that something sinister lies underneath the facade. Rick's group doesn't have a cache of weapons or anything other than what they can easily tote, but maybe the Guvnor thinks they rick's group managed to get to the Prison before we the armory was looted, but we known that the armory was picked clean before they got there. I guess my main point is that do you think the Guvnor wants the Prison to somehow House Walkers from his Experiments? To house them, train them, guard them. I could be jumping to way too many conclusions but there are allot of people that thinks the Guvnor is def up to something in regards to the Walkers and doing experiments on them.
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the Prision could be the Govnor fortress but i dont know how will manage all people in woodbury plus people at the prision.. he just doesnt have enought men to take care fo both places

as we know the prision also doesnt have much food and they havent found the armory

to me the governor wont attack the prision because he wants it... he will attack it for a personal revenge to Michonne... or Rick,... or maybe even Merle... who knows...

As have been show in the trailer of next episode Michonne treat the governor ... maybe she just scape from Woodbury (without Andrea) and thats how they find the prision

to me Woodbury barricades seems safer than the prison fences... as we saw how Andrew without doing much almost killed everyone with the zombies infiltration

oh.. and i think "You can't have it We Spilt Blood We are not going to let you have it" is what rick said to Tomas and the other prisioners when they wanted to keep the prision block
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I must admit I have wondered the same thing. After seeing Woodbury, it seems nicer than the prison. The only thing I can think of is if Woodbury's defenses are not strong enough for the Governor he may think the prison is a stronger position.


This. If things do go down they way some of the spoiler pics show, maybe the gov realizes that Woodburys defences aren't strong enough and figures he'll take the prison.
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Simple. Defense. Not so much for defense from zombies but other rouge groups. Lets face it. If would a lot harder for another group to attack a well manned prison versus a town with walls made from vehicles.

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The prison is an ideal defense position and a way to control your denizens (whether or not they are aware of it).
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That's why the Governor won't tell anyone his name. He was a big-time interior designer back in the real world. Just look at what a nice display he made with all those heads and fish tanks. Martha would be proud.


I do believe I just peed my pants reading that..
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I have not read the comics, so when I saw the trailer I thought The Governor wants the prison because it's his property as the governor of Georgia.
Turns out it's just a nickname - so the prison ain't "his". Maybe he doesn't even want it, and something else is gonna push him to fight against rick's group, because that's sure going to happen.

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Notice this - in the trailer they don't even meet.
"We're gonna go there and take back what's ours" - "Civlization"
"If I see you anywhere my people, I'll kill you" - Rick to Tomas, not The Governor
In the trailer (3:18) Rick, T-Dog and Daryl are going to meet The Governor - No they're not. They're walking towards Oscar and Axel as in Episode 4.
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You could be right, in the Preview maybe the Guvnor was not at the Prison but he does want it from Rick's group. I'll have to go back and rewatch that preview from a few weeks back I think it was the very first season 3 preview that we saw.
Another point a friend mentioned is that a Prison is meant to keep people(not Walkers) INSIDE but Not Truly meant as a Defensive Keep People(not Walkers) out of fortress. If it was used that way there would be a need for allot more Security personnel than Rick's group has. on hand. There is a huge difference in how Alive People would go about invading the Prison than Walkers. The Walkers can't untie the wire that Rick's group uses to tie the outter fence back together.

As I think about the Decision that Rick made to take the Prison and use it as place to live; I am coming around to thinking it was a Terrible choice, at the time it seemed good but now it was a Huge mistake. One because Rick's group can Not defend the Prison against a decent sized group of the Living. Rick just does not have enough manpower, and even before this latest loss of Lori and T-Dog that was not enough people to defend against another living peoples raiding party. The cost has been too high at this point, but I do realize they were desperate, and we should all know by now that when you make a decision under duress it most always will not be the best solution in the long run.

I honestly think the Guvnor wants the Prison to use to house his Roamers/Lurkers/Biters/Walkers that he has and wants more of.
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