Lilly (Cb) Vs Lilly (Vg) Vs Lilly (Novel)

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In my mind Comic book Lily and Novel Lily are the same, while video game Lily is separate. I always felt this way even before I read what Kirkman said.

The novel and comic tie in better than the video game does with either of the latter. At least IMO.
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In my mind Comic book Lily and Novel Lily are the same, while video game Lily is separate. I always felt this way even before I read what Kirkman said.

The novel and comic tie in better than the video game does with either of the latter. At least IMO.


I agree.
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haha... man I said the same thing! think i said in earlier post Lilly in the comic fits with the Lilly in the game... the novel Lilly just doesn't fit with the comic character to me. I know he likes to say people over the country have the same name but really, you gona call the lead for your novel the same name as a key character in the game release months apart? cmon man


I get that you really liked the game but I don't know how you see the game's Lilly character as being more like the Lilly from the comics than the Lilly depicted in the novel based on such a small part which she had in the comics. She barely spoke. Telltale's Lilly was willing to kill a kid in cold blood on a hunch that he supplied the bandits with meds, Lilly in the comics was devestated at the fact that she was manipulated by the Governor to kill a baby. I'm not sure how the two seem more like the same person than the portrayal of Lilly in the novel and the one in the comics. Further more aside from Telltale's Lilly having brown hair she looks nothing like the Lilly in the comics. She didn't even wear her hair the same. The Lilly in the comic's actually looks younger as if she was in her 20's where as the one in the game looks like she is in her 30's. Personally i'm glad that it was confirmed that the Lilly in the game is not the Lilly that goes on to Woodbury since I felt that Telltale had fucked up Kirkman's character by having her less realistic than the characters in the comics. Lilly killing Carly because of provocation just did not make sense when Kenny had killed her dad in cold blood a week before without apology and had been arguing with her and pushing her in every scene we saw them in since, yet she could put that behind her even after he tried to drive off and leave her at the motor inn when the bandits attacked. If she could be so calculating to kill Carly before anyone could stop her why the hell didn't she try and kill Kenny. She had a sniper riffle when the bandits had kenny on his knees and when she was at the dairy farm, she could have easily of killed him or attempted to and pretended it was an accident the way Rick killed dexter at the prison. That would have been believable. She couldn't stand Kenny for the 3 months they lived together and hated him after he killed her dad. She even mentioned not wanting to go any where with him because he killed her dad when Kenny was arguing about leaving the motor inn when he returned with Lee from the supply run. I prefer the idea of Telltale's Lilly being Telltale's Lilly, their own creation and character like Chuck or Ben. That way their behavior in the game is more forgivable when it's unrealistic.
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This video shows why game Lily really is better suited to be comic Lilly. I mean, Telltale even used some of comic Lilly's mannerisms and applied them to game Lilly. Even if you disagree, video game Lilly is vastly superior to the one in the novel.

Darn, I can't embed shit on the mobile site. Just the direct link, then.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRVeFwDGnso

Oh, and there's an edit button. Use it, mkay.
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I will never get how she randomly came out of nowhere and killed three of the most important characters in the comics


She didn't come randomly from nowhere. She was in the Governor's audience at Woodbury when he gave his bull shit speech about Rick's group being a threat to Woodbury and she was ordered by the Governor to take the shot after he rallied some of the town's people to attack the prison. She shot Lori on his command, not realising that she was holding a baby or that she was innocent for that matter and in anger she killed the Governor for making her do it. She didn't need a back story at all. The bullet from her gun could just have easily of been from one of the other soldiers in the Governor's company like the guy that killed Axel. If any killer came out of nowhere it would have been Dwight when he killed Abraham.
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This video shows why game Lily really is better suited to be comic Lilly. I mean, Telltale even used some of comic Lilly's mannerisms and applied them to game Lilly. Even if you disagree, video game Lilly is vastly superior to the one in the novel.

Darn, I can't embed shit on the mobile site. Just the direct link, then.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRVeFwDGnso

Oh, and there's an edit button. Use it, mkay.


I saw that video before and I think now what I thought then that the guy is just reading to much into things. She had no choice but to shoot Lori from behind, she was running away for fuck sake. He makes out that it's her signiture killing style because she can't look people in the face. People see what they want to see. Oh! It's the same Lilly because she called someone a monster. Is that phrase so uncommon that it could be used to distinguish one character from another? As for your point of Telltale using the same mannerisms for Lilly as used in the comics, I just don't see what you see. The artist doesn't even use any of the same facial expressions or gestures as those shown in the comics.

Many people where dissapointed with the Lilly in the novel because she didn't live up to their expectations after they had played the game but that doesn't make Kirkman's characterisation of Lilly in the novel any less real than the action hero/villain Lilly seen in the game. Kirkman depicts her as a real person who is frail and vulnerable. She acts how I imagine many women would act in a apocalypse of any kind. They are 2 mediums, book and game. If Telltale's Lilly behaved the same as the one in the book the game wouldn't have been as exciting. I love the game and the comics. Both are exciting but I believe that the way the characters are written in the comics are more believable. The game has to be faster paced because it was only intended to be a 5 chapter game and the comics are on going. The main characters in the comics survived over a year because they are not dealing with shit every day. They have days and weeks of peace as one would have in real life. In the game they lasted 13 weeks and only 2 or 3 days of those weeks were spent on the road away from the motor inn. It has to play out that way because it's a game. The ongoing story in the comics can be paced in such away that makes the characters more believable and realistic as there is more time to flesh them out.

I can see the same Lilly from the comics in the novel. I could not see the same Lilly from the game in the comics. I can see the progression from Brian Blake to the Governor in the novel and I can see the progression from Lilly in the novel to the scene in the comics.
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Lilly in the comics was devestated at the fact that she was manipulated by the Governor to kill a baby.


Maybe she was so devestated because after her experience with Lee, shooting carly etc she realized what all that brought her and she swore to herself to never kill an innocent person again (like carly)


sorry for bad english, i'm not a native speaker ;)
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Maybe she was so devestated because after her experience with Lee, shooting carly etc she realized what all that brought her and she swore to herself to never kill an innocent person again (like carly)


sorry for bad english, i'm not a native speaker ;)


I think the problem is because Lilly did "a bad thing" to the Grimes family and she was on the Governor's side who was the villain at that point in the comics, Lilly is seen as a bad person. Kirkman confirmed in his novel what I had always suspected which was that Lilly was misunderstood. She wasn't an evil woman, she didn't even set out to do an evil act. She was one of the towns people who was tricked by a convincing liar into attacking the innocent. Prior to those events she hadn't killed anyone before.

Telltale saw her as an evil person because she killed Rick's wife and child. Telltale in an interview even said that what Lilly did in the comics was nuts as if she knew she was doing a bad thing. That goes to show how Telltale perceived her. They then made Lilly in the game mean, moody and cold because that is how they saw the Lilly in the comics as being. That was their misinterpretation of a character that hadn't been fleshed out. Because I never saw Lilly the same way Telltale did when I saw her sequence in the comics I never thought Telltale's portrayal of Lilly was accurate and it definitely wasn't the way Kirkman intended her to be perceived in the comics. She had few lines but most of them were her expressing regret and anger towards the Governor. If Gabe, Bruce or the rest of Governor's personal guards had done what Lilly did they wouldn't have cared about it because they were wicked and knew the Governor's plans.

Kirkman showed in the comics that Lilly was just a pawn in the Governor's plan. She wasn't one of his personal guards. She was just a woman who lived in Woodbury who believed Rick's people were dangerous, had attacked the Governor and killed their own man and needed to be stopped before they attacked Woodbury, her home. What happened in the comics could have easily of happened in the TV show if Andrea had killed one of Rick's people since Andrea didn't know who she was really fighting against because of the Governors deception and the smoke grenades.

I'm glad that Telltale have changed things now so that Lilly in the game is no longer the same one in the comics and i'm glad that Lilly in the game won't be going to Woodbury anymore because that allows Telltale to bring Lilly back for season 2 of the game. I didn't like that the game ended without any of the original adult group members. I didn't really like Omid and Christa. I wasn't as invested in them as I was I was with Carly,Kat,Lilly, to name but a few. I didn't like the idea of all of the original adults being dead but now at least their is one original group member that could still be out there since Lilly had the RV in my play through and Telltale didn't kill her off.
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