Episode 4: Amid The Ruins Review

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Had mixed feelings about seeing yet another group of  armed thugs, with tattoos and eastern European  accents no less. 

It felt very Hollywood to me to just make a random group of Russians the villains. It seems kind of weird, too. I mean, I thought it was weird when Nazis were the final villain in BB, but at least they were built up a little. These guys are out of nowhere. I would've liked it if Arvo told Tavia and the 400 Days crew (and they tag along cause they recognize the description of a little girl with pigtails in a ski jacket). That would've made for one hell of an ending 

 

I'm hoping this Russian conflict is resolved in like the first...five minutes of the next episode. I do not want to spend the finale captured by Russians

 

 

So who's left? I'm still trying to process this amazing episode, so I'm having trouble remembering who's still alive.

 

Is it just Clem, Luke, Kenny, Bonnie, Mike and Baby? Is that all? I really like our remaining cast, though. Pity that at least one of them will almost certainly be dead at the beginning of next episode.

 

You'll probably have to choose between Kenny or Luke at some point, so one of them may die.

Briefly, there were more women in the group than men. That's a first in the history of TWD. The women REALLY took a hit this episode

 

If there's no Season 3, I guess it's plausible we end on a Luke/Kenny choice but that's what everyone's expecting. We might get Kenny/Christa or something


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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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Anyway, my main problem with Season 2 is that it feels very choppy, almost like the writers are just making things up as they go along. In Season 1, things were properly set up (like Larry's heart condition) and then used later. I don't even know what to think with Season 2. The cabin group really contributed nothing to the overall story besides acting as fodder. Sarah was completely useless. The story of Season 2 would be exactly the same if she wasn't in it. I feel like the writers thought, "Let's write a character with anxiety issues who's been coddled too much and see how that works out" instead of actually planning on how Sarah would ultimately feed into the story. It's just lost potential. The only cabin group members who have contributed to the plot or Clementine as a character have been Luke and Rebecca. Maybe you could argue Alvin

 

I mean, in Season 1, we had a plotline; find a boat. Throw in storylines of trying to live at the motel and the mysterious stranger, and that was enough for the Season. As someone else put, Season 2 feels like a string of random occurrences and shock deaths that amount to nothing in the end. There were shock deaths in Season 1, but the happened so the deaths had purpose and the story transpired at a logical pace. Now, shit happens because it happens

 

I remember people complained that nobody mentioned Carley in Episode 4 of last season and her death felt meaningless as a result. Now, that seems like a godsend. Hell, people complained the Carley/Doug decision was meaningless because they died in episode 3 anyway, but at least they stuck around for two more episodes, talked to Lee quite a bit, and helped him out. I wish we got a Carley/Doug scenario instead of Nick turning mute, Alvin getting kidnapped, and Sarah turning catatonic 

 

A lot of Season 2 just feels like I'm meeting new characters (who die) in new environments (that we leave). Decisions don't contribute anything at all. They barely change dialogue. Hell, I'd even say that the 11 year old Clementine from Episode 1 is the same Clementine I have now. She hasn't developed as a character. Nobody has, except Kenny, Bonnie, maybe Jane, and Christa (I don't even know if I should count her)

 

Plus, there's no suspense anymore. Episode 2 of Season 1 built up the suspense so much until you find Mark, then it just goes through the roof. Then, you're in the meat locker and the suspense gets even higher. Then, Larry almost turns and you realize that humans can be monsters, too. THEN, the suspense drops, and you're still stuck in a cannibal's freezer. I could say the same about Episode 3. The suspense only dropped after the RV argument and when Duck died, but after that, you just felt like you've been beaten into emotional ruin. Season 2 just throws in a conflict (stealing the walkie-talkie), briefly builds up suspense (Carver looking for it), and then just drops it. It's just a bunch of sporadic little moments instead of long, looming, underlying tension

 

I still like Season 2 and I know it had a tough act to follow, but I really needed to vent


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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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It felt very Hollywood to me to just make a random group of Russians the villains. It seems kind of weird, too. I mean, I thought it was weird when Nazis were the final villain in BB, but at least they were built up a little. These guys are out of nowhere. I would've liked it if Arvo told Tavia and the 400 Days crew (and they tag along cause they recognize the description of a little girl with pigtails in a ski jacket). That would've made for one hell of an ending 

 

I'm hoping this Russian conflict is resolved in like the first...five minutes of the next episode. I do not want to spend the finale captured by Russians

 

 

Briefly, there were more women in the group than men. That's a first in the history of TWD. The women REALLY took a hit this episode

 

If there's no Season 3, I guess it's plausible we end on a Luke/Kenny choice but that's what everyone's expecting. We might get Kenny/Christa or something 

 

 

There have  been real life cases of neo-nazis running meth operations.   

 

I think you'd be  more likely to run into them in ZA than you would Russians with automatic rifles who look like professional mercenaries fighting a civil war in an unstable, war-torn nation. 

 

I'm not saying I hate it, mind you. It's all just a little bizarre. 


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There have  been real life cases of neo-nazis running meth operations.   

 

I think you'd be  more likely to run into them in ZA than you would Russians with automatic rifles who look like professional mercenaries fighting a civil war in an unstable, war-torn nation. 

 

I'm not saying I hate it, mind you. It's all just a little bizarre. 

I'm not saying it was unrealistic in BB, but in a show with fantastic villains like Gus Fring, I think the final villain could've been a little more memorable

 

The Russian thing is weird, though, especially since Russians aren't that dense in regions north of Georgia, assuming that's where the group is. Maybe it was just some people who learned Russian from Arvo? I mean, besides Arvo, the other Russians had some of the worst accents I've ever heard, so it's possible (or Telltale just flubbed it with the VAs this time around)


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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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I'm not saying it was unrealistic in BB, but in a show with fantastic villains like Gus Fring, I think the final villain could've been a little more memorable

 

The Russian thing is weird, though, especially since Russians aren't that dense in regions north of Georgia, assuming that's where the group is. Maybe it was just some people who learned Russian from Arvo? I mean, besides Arvo, the other Russians had some of the worst accents I've ever heard, so it's possible (or Telltale just flubbed it with the VAs this time around)

 

Yeah I can't imagine running into a group of Russians in North Georgia. I doubt I would see a  Russian with shaved head  and tattoos all over his scalp armed with an AK-47. And I wouldn't expect them to be led by a kid with a leg brace, who feels like a Russian version  of Mr, Glass from from the movie  Unbreakable


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Whoever survives that shootout, I think the season will end with just Clementine and the baby. I do see a Luke or Kenny thing.. but I think both will bite it regardless. Pulling for my boy Mike to make it but I think he'll be a casualty forsure.
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Anyway, my main problem with Season 2 is that it feels very choppy, almost like the writers are just making things up as they go along. In Season 1, things were properly set up (like Larry's heart condition) and then used later. I don't even know what to think with Season 2. The cabin group really contributed nothing to the overall story besides acting as fodder. Sarah was completely useless. The story of Season 2 would be exactly the same if she wasn't in it. I feel like the writers thought, "Let's write a character with anxiety issues who's been coddled too much and see how that works out" instead of actually planning on how Sarah would ultimately feed into the story. It's just lost potential. The only cabin group members who have contributed to the plot or Clementine as a character have been Luke and Rebecca. Maybe you could argue Alvin

 

I mean, in Season 1, we had a plotline; find a boat. Throw in storylines of trying to live at the motel and the mysterious stranger, and that was enough for the Season. As someone else put, Season 2 feels like a string of random occurrences and shock deaths that amount to nothing in the end. There were shock deaths in Season 1, but the happened so the deaths had purpose and the story transpired at a logical pace. Now, shit happens because it happens

 

I remember people complained that nobody mentioned Carley in Episode 4 of last season and her death felt meaningless as a result. Now, that seems like a godsend. Hell, people complained the Carley/Doug decision was meaningless because they died in episode 3 anyway, but at least they stuck around for two more episodes, talked to Lee quite a bit, and helped him out. I wish we got a Carley/Doug scenario instead of Nick turning mute, Alvin getting kidnapped, and Sarah turning catatonic 

 

A lot of Season 2 just feels like I'm meeting new characters (who die) in new environments (that we leave). Decisions don't contribute anything at all. They barely change dialogue. Hell, I'd even say that the 11 year old Clementine from Episode 1 is the same Clementine I have now. She hasn't developed as a character. Nobody has, except Kenny, Bonnie, maybe Jane, and Christa (I don't even know if I should count her)

 

Plus, there's no suspense anymore. Episode 2 of Season 1 built up the suspense so much until you find Mark, then it just goes through the roof. Then, you're in the meat locker and the suspense gets even higher. Then, Larry almost turns and you realize that humans can be monsters, too. THEN, the suspense drops, and you're still stuck in a cannibal's freezer. I could say the same about Episode 3. The suspense only dropped after the RV argument and when Duck died, but after that, you just felt like you've been beaten into emotional ruin. Season 2 just throws in a conflict (stealing the walkie-talkie), briefly builds up suspense (Carver looking for it), and then just drops it. It's just a bunch of sporadic little moments instead of long, looming, underlying tension

 

I still like Season 2 and I know it had a tough act to follow, but I really needed to vent

 

Agree on all this. I love season 2, especially "A House Divided" and "Amid The Ruins", but it does have it's problems.

However, I think that S2E4 was great with the suspense, I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. 

 

On a different note, I know many people were upset that Nick was treated quite poorly in the last two episodes. I agree, I wish he had more scenes, but I think his death in "Amid The Ruins" was much more of a gut punch than in "A House Divided". I did only see youtube videos of Nick's death from episode 2, as I saved him, but in episode 4 Clementine gets to say a proper goodbye to Nick, and the others get time to mourn him properly. Another thing, I remember someone else saying that "When you save someone in the zombie apocalypse, you don't actually save them, but extend their life span for a little while". I guess that can apply to the Walking Dead game, even if I wish it would change the story a bit more.

 

On a different note (again), did anyone find this episode to be longer than the other episodes in season 2? I kept expecting it to end, but it kept on going. Hopefully episode is a decent length as well.


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Wow, it was a pretty intense episode and I think it knocks episode 2 of season1 out of the park. Which is not an easy thing. Of course, it still suffers the same problems as season2 (the almost rushed dialogue and lack of proper gameplay).

I found Jane pretty compelling, but she lost all respect for me when she had sex with Luke. She let her guard down and that got Sarah killed, at least in my playthrough. Luke I absolutely loathe now, it's a wonder how he's pretty much outlived every cabin survivor. I hate him and hope he dies in the next episode.

This episode actually gave more me more reasons to care about the lesser known characters such as Mike, and the Racoon and her family scenes is up there as one of the best in the series IMO.

I was pretty desperate for Sarah to snap out of her funk, and I had Clementine slap her. I think her dying can be chalked up to Luke's involvement due to not watching guard. He is more responsible for her death than anything.

The Kenny/Sarita scenes was heart wrenching, and I was worried Kenny was going to get himself killed. Rebecca, one of my favourites this season, just shone through with the scenes she got. At the end, I let Clementine shoot her to save the baby. I can't wait to see how this plays out in the next episode.

This episode really captured the essence of what made season1 so special. Most of the characters were very involved, I cared for them and didn't want any of them to die, you didn't know what would happen everytime you turned around the corner. It didn't chicken out at all, it really did feel like they were on the run and in constant danger.

I was 50/50 on Arvo. I wanted to believe him, and I remembered what happened with the Stranger back in season1, but we did need those supplies so I had Clementine rob him. I also never trusted him, because as shown throughout TwD you should always be weary of new survivors.

Easily the best episode of the season, maybe the series.
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Agree on all this. I love season 2, especially "A House Divided" and "Amid The Ruins", but it does have it's problems.

However, I think that S2E4 was great with the suspense, I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. 

 

On a different note, I know many people were upset that Nick was treated quite poorly in the last two episodes. I agree, I wish he had more scenes, but I think his death in "Amid The Ruins" was much more of a gut punch than in "A House Divided". I did only see youtube videos of Nick's death from episode 2, as I saved him, but in episode 4 Clementine gets to say a proper goodbye to Nick, and the others get time to mourn him properly. Another thing, I remember someone else saying that "When you save someone in the zombie apocalypse, you don't actually save them, but extend their life span for a little while". I guess that can apply to the Walking Dead game, even if I wish it would change the story a bit more.

 

On a different note (again), did anyone find this episode to be longer than the other episodes in season 2? I kept expecting it to end, but it kept on going. Hopefully episode is a decent length as well.

Nick's death disappointed me because I promised Pete I'd watch out for him and I never even got the chance to do so. Killing Nick doesn't feel like it fits in the story; it feels like laziness on Telltale's part because they didn't know what to do with him

 

I mean, Carley's death made me feel cheated but in a good way. It felt like it fit the story because in the world of the ZA, you're going to feel cheated a lot. Her death contributed to the story and it was memorable. Also, her character left her mark on the story

 

Nick's death wasn't fair, just like Carley's, but his character left no impact on me and I feel like Telltale didn't really try. I also don't feel like we got the chance to mourn him. Luke said, "Oh shit" (this is his best friend of twenty years dying) and Rebecca cried (which is the exact same animation and dialogue as if Sarah died in the trailer)

 

And I did like that this episode was longer, but I hate the fact that Telltale has reduced me to calling two hour episodes long and not average 

 

I found Jane pretty compelling, but she lost all respect for me when she had sex with Luke. She let her guard down and that got Sarah killed, at least in my playthrough. Luke I absolutely loathe now, it's a wonder how he's pretty much outlived every cabin survivor. I hate him and hope he dies in the next episode.

If Luke was watching the perimeter, everybody just would've made it up to the observation deck sooner. The zombies would still show up and Sarah would still die from stupidity (why would she be standing out in the open if she wasn't even fighting?)

 

Know what would've been a good episode ending? Sarah lives and when you make the choice to shoot Rebecca, "BAM!" A gunshot rings out but its not yours; Sarah shoots her


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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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If Luke was watching the perimeter, everybody just would've made it up to the observation deck sooner. The zombies would still show up and Sarah would still die from stupidity (why would she be standing out in the open if she wasn't even fighting?)
 
Know what would've been a good episode ending? Sarah lives and when you make the choice to shoot Rebecca, "BAM!" A gunshot rings out but its not yours; Sarah shoots her


I think I should have worded it more clearly. If he did alert the others sooner, that would have given them more time to prepare and this the vulnerable (Rebecca and Sarah) would have been in a safe area. I blame Luke more than Jane, but what he did was damn irresponsible. I felt like my efforts to save her and tell her to snap out of it were wasted on a stupid mistake, but I suppose that's a good thing really.

And I would have loved for that ending to have occurred. It would show she really did grow as a character. I'm thinking she maybe died too soon, but I suppose her death was a sigh of symbolism or something (one child dies, one child is brought into the world). I'm hoping the baby doesn't get killed in the ambush next episode, but who knows.

And I'm really liking Bonnie more than the episode previous. Mike too. It's a shame they are the most likely to get killed and that areshole Luke will continue to live. I will not be surprised if he is one of the last few standing.
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I enjoyed Jane and her conversations with Clementine, but I wish she would have gotten killed this episode. I liked that she brought up that in the end you might be better off by yourself, and I think we could very well see Clem alone again by the end of this. However, like someone said earlier, I wish she would have gotten killed trying to save Sarah. With her backstory and the fact that eventually your luck runs out, it would have fit.

Im not surprised Luke is the last of the cabin group, if I had to guess he would have been my choice. Was starting to warm up to him but now I just don't care. I'm tired of this picking sides crap and I could care less about him and Kenny at this point. If I had my choice Bonnie and Mike would survive the shootout, then I wouldn't have to listen to the other two bicker. That's why I hope if Luke and Kenny both live, that they will just die anyways. In episode 2 when I was starting to see signs of a Kenny or Luke choice later on, I had no idea what I'd do if it came to that. Now, I really don't care.

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Does anyone think the nail filer will come in handy later?


I hope not, I was so angry at that point I had Clementine reject it lol. But seriously though it would be pretty great if it did have some affect later one because the game needs more consequences like that.
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finally finished episode 4. great episode overall. agree with a lot of the points made so far, but I had one problem. How can these people have these long drawn out conversations while they are in the middle of a herd? I accept the whole walker guts as camouflage, but the killing of other zombies and the talking? how every character was not swarmed is beyond me.


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Seeing everyone else complain about how the game treats Nick and Sarah if you try to keep them alive makes me glad I let them die at the first opportunity. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever had a character in either season other than Carley survive past their first possible death.
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Cthulhu, you're so cold haha

Ben and Pete both have good moments if you let them live. You can say the same for Alvin, but that's still kind of pointless
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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finally finished episode 4. great episode overall. agree with a lot of the points made so far, but I had one problem. How can these people have these long drawn out conversations while they are in the middle of a herd? I accept the whole walker guts as camouflage, but the killing of other zombies and the talking? how every character was not swarmed is beyond me.


I think the majority of them (the zombies) mistook it as them moaning plus with the gunfire coming from the 400 Days crew as well as others probably drowned out their voices. Correct me if I'm wrong but there was only a couple of zombies who noticed them talking and they ended up using that to their advantage.
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Cthulhu, you're so cold haha

Ben and Pete both have good moments if you let them live. You can say the same for Alvin, but that's still kind of pointless

Oops, I forgot about Pete, although he does get doomed from the same zombie attack either way, so he really only half-counts. I did try to help him, as he was far more likable and competent than Nick.
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I thought 2-04 was good, but I can't say it was great/my favorite of the series. They could have done something much better with Nick's death than just having him suddenly show up as a walker. That's just half-assed writing. Heck, you don't even need to give him much dialogue (if any) and still give him a meaningful death scene (make him hold the door shut in the house while the others escape through the skylight; and then have him get caught before he can make it up.)

 

Sarah was pretty much dead weight. I figured once I slapped her back to reality she could at least try to function a little more, instead of just curling back into a ball when we get back to the group. And what's the point of teaching her (albeit only 15 seconds of training) to shoot? When she sees the walkers approaching, they could have at least made her take a shaky shot at them to get everyone's attention. 

 

Molly... er.. Jane started to grow on me as we got some good back-story; but then she just became Molly v2.. "oh, I'm gonna leave now... okbye". They needed to have a dialogue choice of Clem cursing her or giving her the finger. The next independent loner type female character that comes along isn't getting the time of day from me.

 

Russian gangster types in GA/VA? Really? Is this 'Red Dawn'? I now expect Patrick Swayze and the Wolverines to come out of the mountains to save our group (at least most of us). Kenny still gets captured by the Russians. Later, Clem and the Wolverines will find Kenny at the Russian labor camp, where he grips the chainlink fence and screams "Avenge me!" 


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My theory on how it will end for the next episode.

Clementine and the baby are the only ones confirmed to be alive. Just as she is about to be killed by a zombie, they are saved at the last minute by a group of people who take her to the town they were heading to. There, she is reunited with Christa and her story ends in a hopeful note.

Cliche perhaps, but that's how I see it ending. I would like to have other characters with her though, like Mike and Bonnie, but I have a feeling Clementine and Rebecca's kid will be the last ones still alive due to how quickly these people tend to die nowadays.
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So does Kenny still lash out and blame Sarita's death on Clem if you didn't cut off her arm? I spent the first half of the episode pretty pissed at him for that, even though I knew he was acting out of grief. I alternated between anger and getting worried that he was going to kill himself and it made me genuinely nervous. Nice to see that the baby gave him a sense of purpose by the end, though. Is anybody else thinking that Clem will get to help choose the little guy's name in the next episode if they make it through?

 

I kind of don't blame Jane for bailing, in all honesty. The group was a mess and the longer she stayed, the more dangerous situations she was getting placed in (including one due to her own carelessness) and I think that was what finally made up her mind-she was starting to care and when your life is on the line...well, I can see her point of view, even if it wasn't the most "honorable" route to take.

 

I'm going to be the evil bastard here and say I'm relieved Sarah is dead. I tried so many times to bring that kid around and all it did was nearly get the group killed repeatedly. I like that they took that path with her because I think in reality, that's something you'd be likely to experience. Not everyone is going to be mentally strong and not everyone is savable, especially when it comes to children. 

 

Also Sarah annoyed the shit out of me.  :srug: 


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So does Kenny still lash out and blame Sarita's death on Clem if you didn't cut off her arm? I spent the first half of the episode pretty pissed at him for that, even though I knew he was acting out of grief. I alternated between anger and getting worried that he was going to kill himself and it made me genuinely nervous. Nice to see that the baby gave him a sense of purpose by the end, though. Is anybody else thinking that Clem will get to help choose the little guy's name in the next episode if they make it through?


Yeah, he does still blame Clementine on her death, which doesn't even make sense when I think about it. And I do think she will get to name the baby as well.
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So does Kenny still lash out and blame Sarita's death on Clem if you didn't cut off her arm? I spent the first half of the episode pretty pissed at him for that, even though I knew he was acting out of grief. I alternated between anger and getting worried that he was going to kill himself and it made me genuinely nervous. Nice to see that the baby gave him a sense of purpose by the end, though. Is anybody else thinking that Clem will get to help choose the little guy's name in the next episode if they make it through?

 

I kind of don't blame Jane for bailing, in all honesty. The group was a mess and the longer she stayed, the more dangerous situations she was getting placed in (including one due to her own carelessness) and I think that was what finally made up her mind-she was starting to care and when your life is on the line...well, I can see her point of view, even if it wasn't the most "honorable" route to take.

 

I'm going to be the evil bastard here and say I'm relieved Sarah is dead. I tried so many times to bring that kid around and all it did was nearly get the group killed repeatedly. I like that they took that path with her because I think in reality, that's something you'd be likely to experience. Not everyone is going to be mentally strong and not everyone is savable, especially when it comes to children. 

 

Also Sarah annoyed the shit out of me.  :srug: 

He does, but not nearly to the extent that he does if you do cut off her arm. If you do cut it off, it's like 10x worse. I didn't really blame him because he was acting out of grief and I was kind of happy that one of my decisions was affecting another character. Plus, it's perfectly in line with Kenny's character; getting angry at somebody else for a decision they made even if you were on his side 100% the rest of the time (and I don't mean to be siding with Kenny over Luke all the time. Luke just keeps making stupid decisions. Why would I wait at the deck for a few days without food?). And I definitely think we'll name it. Lee/Omid Jr is gonna be a kickass baby when he grows up

 

I don't blame Jane either. Our group was unbelievably shitty and ill-prepared. I thought it was kind of nice that she did it out of her attachment to Clementine. I thought it was a little weird that Luke was more upset about Jane leaving than Nick and Sarah's deaths though

 

I'm also relieved she's dead. I'm not popping champagne like I thought I would, but I'm just a little happy I don't have to put up with her

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She was least favorite this season besides Carlos. I still can't believe I told Jane to try to save her, especially because I thought Jane saving Sarah meant Jane was going to die. I felt like Jane needed to redeem herself and it seemed a little heartless to leave Sarah to die while trapped under the rubble, screaming for help that wasn't going to come. I'm relieved that she died anyway and Jane lived so I can say that I did everything I could

 

She, too, annoyed the shit out of me


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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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He does, but not nearly to the extent that he does if you do cut off her arm. If you do cut it off, it's like 10x worse. I didn't really blame him because he was acting out of grief and I was kind of happy that one of my decisions was affecting another character. Plus, it's perfectly in line with Kenny's character; getting angry at somebody else for a decision they made even if you were on his side 100% the rest of the time (and I don't mean to be siding with Kenny over Luke all the time. Luke just keeps making stupid decisions. Why would I wait at the deck for a few days without food?). And I definitely think we'll name it. Lee/Omid Jr is gonna be a kickass baby when he grows up

 

I don't blame Jane either. Our group was unbelievably shitty and ill-prepared. I thought it was kind of nice that she did it out of her attachment to Clementine. I thought it was a little weird that Luke was more upset about Jane leaving than Nick and Sarah's deaths though

 

I'm also relieved she's dead. I'm not popping champagne like I thought I would, but I'm just a little happy I don't have to put up with her

*ahem*

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She was least favorite this season besides Carlos. I still can't believe I told Jane to try to save her, especially because I thought Jane saving Sarah meant Jane was going to die. I felt like Jane needed to redeem herself and it seemed a little heartless to leave Sarah to die while trapped under the rubble, screaming for help that wasn't going to come. I'm relieved that she died anyway and Jane lived so I can say that I did everything I could

 

She, too, annoyed the shit out of me

 

Luke was probably more upset about her departure than Nick and Sarah's because...well, Jane touched his wee wee.

 

(I really wish you could see how hard I'm laughing right now, I'm babysitting my three year old niece and it's clearly swaying my vernacular.)

 

I had Jane try to save her as well and had the same wretched feeling that I was sacrificing a member of my starting lineup for a towel boy, actually sighed in relief when the opposite happened. When Sarah cried out "I don't want to die like this!" right at the end, all I could think was "And why couldn't you have had this epiphany back at the trailer?" I don't know, Sarah was just Duck 2.0 for me...and I just read what you wrote and you're right, haha-at least Duck liked Batman.

 

I'll have to do a replay of the last couple of episodes, I'm really curious to see exactly how Kenny manages to find Clem at fault when you don't swing the hatchet. 


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I had Jane try to save her as well and had the same wretched feeling that I was sacrificing a member of my starting lineup for a towel boy, actually sighed in relief when the opposite happened. When Sarah cried out "I don't want to die like this!" right at the end, all I could think was "And why couldn't you have had this epiphany back at the trailer?" I don't know, Sarah was just Duck 2.0 for me...and I just read what you wrote and you're right, haha-at least Duck liked Batman.

 

I'll have to do a replay of the last couple of episodes, I'm really curious to see exactly how Kenny manages to find Clem at fault when you don't swing the hatchet. 

Bolded part made me laugh harder than it should've

 

And NukemDukem does all the alternate playthroughs for the Walking Dead. This one shows the thing with Sarita

 

Here's his playlist:

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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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What do you guys think the timetable will be on episode 5? Between episodes 4 and 5 of season 1 was the shortest wait I believe, but it was also by far a shorter episode. I imagine, well, hope, like season 1 that in season 2 they had the end of the season somewhat mapped out.. Could also see it releasing faster for the fact that all 5 episodes will be out, and you'll get your buys from those who were willing to wait that long. Either way I just want a good, long, final episode. Hopefully it doesn't feel rushed when it comes out, whenever that is.
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