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I can understand why this was Rick's plan. I can understand why he was doing this.

But I just hate how this entire arc was handled. I hate all the bullshit cliffhangers that led to fuck all. Hell even going back to when Carl was at Sanctuary. One issue ended with Negan telling Rick "I can't wait for you to see what I did to your boy"
OH SHIT! WHAT'D HE DO?!
Not a goddamn thing.

Flash forward to 125/126

OH FUCK! RICK SLASHED NEGAN IN FRONT OF ALL HIS PEOPLE! IN A DESIGNATED SAFE ZONE! NO COVER IN SITE! THIS CAN'T END WELL
But it did. Ridiculously well. Bullshit well.

I hate that it was advertised as THE BIGGEST, MOST IMPORTANT THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO THE WALKING DEAD HOLY SHIT GUYS DON'T WANNA MISS THIS thisbeingmegivingyouallabigFUCKYOU.
I also hate the lack of casualties on the ASZ and Hilltop sides. The plot armor and redshirt body shields were strong with this arc.

Also mediocre dialog and lackluster/nonexistent character building, yay!

So if it weren't for those things, this issue wouldn't have bothered me as much as it has. But these things happened so boo-hiss to this issue/arc.

 

Ok this is (probably) the last shit I'll take on this issue/arc. I just had to get it out after re-reading some older, post-100 issues


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I hope Negan will become Rick´s wingman in the future.

Fuck Jesus
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I think Negan will become Ricks unintentional rigjt hand man and give hum advice from inside his proson cell, he will takes negans judgemeny knowing that he is smart but others font agrgee that he should be trusted.

 

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Negan = The Walking Dead version of Hannibal Lector

Rick = Clarice
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"Yeah, let's fuck this dog."
 


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Im gonna go out on a limb and say It seems like Negan is to Rick as Vegata is to Goku. Especially if he turns a new leaf somehow and helps Rick in the future. Haha.

I already predicted that- Abraham's replacement


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And then there's Aaron and Heath....


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I already predicted that- Abraham's replacement

 

Of course you did, because you wrote this story. 


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Im gonna go out on a limb and say It seems like Negan is to Rick as Vegata is to Goku. Especially if he turns a new leaf somehow and helps Rick in the future. Haha.

a million times yes


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So 127 must be Negan's daughter coming from the future to warn of an impending threat.

 

Negan = The Walking Dead version of Hannibal Lector

Rick = Clarice

 

Is it too late for him to go back and eat Glenn's brain?


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I can understand why this was Rick's plan. I can understand why he was doing this.
But I just hate how this entire arc was handled. I hate all the bullshit cliffhangers that led to fuck all. Hell even going back to when Carl was at Sanctuary. One issue ended with Negan telling Rick "I can't wait for you to see what I did to your boy"
OH SHIT! WHAT'D HE DO?!
Not a goddamn thing.
Flash forward to 125/126
OH FUCK! RICK SLASHED NEGAN IN FRONT OF ALL HIS PEOPLE! IN A DESIGNATED SAFE ZONE! NO COVER IN SITE! THIS CAN'T END WELL
But it did. Ridiculously well. Bullshit well.
I hate that it was advertised as THE BIGGEST, MOST IMPORTANT THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO THE WALKING DEAD HOLY SHIT GUYS DON'T WANNA MISS THIS thisbeingmegivingyouallabigFUCKYOU.
I also hate the lack of casualties on the ASZ and Hilltop sides. The plot armor and redshirt body shields were strong with this arc.
Also mediocre dialog and lackluster/nonexistent character building, yay!
So if it weren't for those things, this issue wouldn't have bothered me as much as it has. But these things happened so boo-hiss to this issue/arc.
 
Ok this is (probably) the last shit I'll take on this issue/arc. I just had to get it out after re-reading some older, post-100 issues


I think it's going to look really weird if we read the volume back to back. Kirkman done those cliffhangers regardless of how much sense it would read if read altogether.

I disagree with the character building in the first half of the volume, but in the second Kirkman did drop the ball. And Holly I pretty much liked and was saddened when she died.

Kirkman shouldn't have built it up as he did. This volume was nothing like Made To Suffer which I'm grateful for, but I think we can all agree Made To Suffer changed the entire series and it wouldn't be what it is today without that volume.
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And then there's Aaron and Heath....

Talk about being pissed off. Ricks gonna have his hands full.

Correction, hand.
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Talk about being pissed off. Ricks gonna have his hands full.

Correction, hand.

Aww I was about to make a smartass joke about that correction. xD


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I was in two minds about Negan not dying, but now that few days have passed i have grown to accept it as i didn't really want main characters to die in this arc. Negan staying alive could bring interesting developments into the story maybe Negan and Carl will develop a "friendship" from which Negan will attempt to mold Carl into that future serial killer which he called him in their first meeting maybe he will turn a new leaf and become some sort of anti-hero only time will tell and i hope they handle it well now that RK decided to keep him around.

 

I can see why Rick made the decision to keep Negan around as he needs to set an example in the whole not killing people if they want a civilized world and if he wants to be a credible leader and i think it was greatly written when he told Carl that killing Negan would infact make them worse than he is as Negan has let both of them live when he has had the opportunity to kill them.

 

I'm really looking forward to the rebuilding civilization parts that are coming, but once again they need to be handled correctly for it to not be boring, but it will atleast give them a chance to build up some characters who have not been getting attention.

 

I wonder what will be Michonnes decision will she go with Zeke to Kingdom or come back to Alexandria i would think she will go with Zeke since we have Jesus to look after Rick.

 

Also i wonder what's next for Dwight since i think Negan had a few maniacs following him how will he keep those kinda people in line and how are we gonna follow their developments if the story of walking dead follows Rick around will we have enough time or rather pages to keep tabs to all the 4 communities that are now seemingly allied..

 

All in all totally not the ending i was expecting and no real closure, but now that i look back at AOW it seems that it's just buildup for the rebuilding parts of ZA which as many people have pointed out have never been seen in other zombie fiction i think there are interesting times ahead..

 

PS. All people who complain about this story arc being overhyped i have only this thing to say: "Don't believe the hype!"


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I think Negan will become Ricks unintentional rigjt hand man and give hum advice from inside his proson cell, he will takes negans judgemeny knowing that he is smart but others font agrgee that he should be trusted.

 

Over time, I think Negan will be useful and Rick's idea to keep him alive could really pay off.  I don't think that Negan and Rick will become buddies, but Rick could certainly learn a lot of valuable information from Negan. 

 

When A Larger World story arc began - it never got a chance to get running because immediately after seeing Hilltop, Negan's men were attacking the Alexandrians.  With all four communities at peace, they already have the capability to farm and raise livestock, Make bullets, and with the Saviors working with the other communities combined with any soldiers who survived the war - these communities have real muscle and will be far more prepared for the NEXT threat they may encounter, human or zombie. 


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I was in two minds about Negan not dying, but now that few days have passed i have grown to accept it as i didn't really want main characters to die in this arc. Negan staying alive could bring interesting developments into the story maybe Negan and Carl will develop a "friendship" from which Negan will attempt to mold Carl into that future serial killer which he called him in their first meeting maybe he will turn a new leaf and become some sort of anti-hero only time will tell and i hope they handle it well now that RK decided to keep him around.
 
I can see why Rick made the decision to keep Negan around as he needs to set an example in the whole not killing people if they want a civilized world and if he wants to be a credible leader and i think it was greatly written when he told Carl that killing Negan would infact make them worse than he is as Negan has let both of them live when he has had the opportunity to kill them.
 
I'm really looking forward to the rebuilding civilization parts that are coming, but once again they need to be handled correctly for it to not be boring, but it will atleast give them a chance to build up some characters who have not been getting attention.
 
I wonder what will be Michonnes decision will she go with Zeke to Kingdom or come back to Alexandria i would think she will go with Zeke since we have Jesus to look after Rick.
 
Also i wonder what's next for Dwight since i think Negan had a few maniacs following him how will he keep those kinda people in line and how are we gonna follow their developments if the story of walking dead follows Rick around will we have enough time or rather pages to keep tabs to all the 4 communities that are now seemingly allied..
 
All in all totally not the ending i was expecting and no real closure, but now that i look back at AOW it seems that it's just buildup for the rebuilding parts of ZA which as many people have pointed out have never been seen in other zombie fiction i think there are interesting times ahead..
 
PS. All people who complain about this story arc being overhyped i have only this thing to say: "Don't believe the hype!"


Agree with most of this excluding Negan brainwashing Carl into his side and becoming a serial killer. Carl told Negan to go kill himself and jump off a window, plus he would never betray his dad. And just recently he was about to kill him unconscious (but didn't for plot reasons).
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So the whole Dwight shooting "Rick's side but somehow not killing him / Negan's throat being slashed but only conveniently causing him to pass out" might be iffy, but I've started to like Negan more and more as the arc went on so I didn't want him to die and personally I don't have a huge problem suspension of disbelief stuffs like that, but hopefully things will be less Hollywood in the next arcs, or at least not in such a condensed window.

 

It'll definitely be interesting going forward.  Even with the situation leading up to Negan not necessarily being so realistic, it still puts the zombie apocalypse into perspective and forgiving Negan / moving on in a situation like that might not be unrealistic.  Rick's new philosophy is that it's idiotic for humans to be killing one another when they're few in numbers and have a common enemy. As long as the people with a grudge against Negan buy into that, I could see him integrating into Rick's new society....eventually.   I've said a few times already that I honestly didn't think Negan was that evil, or whatever.  Did he do some brutal shit? Sure.  But there was usually a rhyme and reason.

TL;DR - TWD's last page will be Negan holding a barbed wire-less Lucille, Carl will throw a pitch to him and it'll look like a home run until Rick jumps up and catches the ball with his baseball mitt arm that Sutton built for him.  Then Negan will say Fuck and they'll all laugh.  The end.


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So the whole Dwight shooting "Rick's side but somehow not killing him / Negan's throat being slashed but only conveniently causing him to pass out" might be iffy, but I've started to like Negan more and more as the arc went on so I didn't want him to die and personally I don't have a huge problem suspension of disbelief stuffs like that, but hopefully things will be less Hollywood in the next arcs, or at least not in such a condensed window.
 
It'll definitely be interesting going forward.  Even with the situation leading up to Negan not necessarily being so realistic, it still puts the zombie apocalypse into perspective and forgiving Negan / moving on in a situation like that might not be unrealistic.  Rick's new philosophy is that it's idiotic for humans to be killing one another when they're few in numbers and have a common enemy. As long as the people with a grudge against Negan buy into that, I could see him integrating into Rick's new society....eventually.   I've said a few times already that I honestly didn't think Negan was that evil, or whatever.  Did he do some brutal shit? Sure.  But there was usually a rhyme and reason.
TL;DR - TWD's last page will be Negan holding a barbed wire-less Lucille, Carl will throw a pitch to him and it'll look like a home run until Rick jumps up and catches the ball with his baseball mitt arm that Sutton built for him.  Then Negan will say Fuck and they'll all laugh.  The end.


The thing is Negan was one of the more "vocal" survivors per say that was Into killing countless people regardless of presentation. Whilst he justified a lot of their deaths, was there really any need to bash Glenn's brains in. Sure they killed some of their men, but if he was really into justice he would have killed Glenn in a more humane and civil matter (Shooting him).

Stabbing Spencer he justified that Spencer was going to betray Rick. But was he really? He disagreed on Rick's leader decisions and that mostly stemmed from his feelings for Andrea, but Negan could have just told Rick which would have been a lot more humiliating on Spencer's part.

And killing Holly, well I don't think there was any justifications there. He saved her from near rape, and then proceeded to make her a walker bomb and started to bomb the shit out of Alexandria, killing several people (most certainly not involved in the war).

Not to mention the fact he has multiple wife's and burns his saviours' faces off if they in any way go against him.

Negan didn't do any of this for "a new world order". He did it out of greed and his own personal interests. There's a difference between killing to survive (which the group have mostly done over the years) and killing just because. Negan fits in the latter category.
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Although we didn't see it, it was implied that whatever Rick et al did to the Hunters was pretty 

messed up.  Negan bashing Glenn's head in at least had the dual purpose of attempting to 

force Rick into submission and showing them that he didn't mess around.

 

I would actually argue that the whole thing with Holly was the most justified, I mean "all's fair in 

love and war" after all.  And did you miss the part where Rick sends a hoard of zoombies into the Sanctuary?

There were innocent people there as well.  Also, Negan gave the people in the final battle at the Hilltop

a chance to gtfo, so it wasn't like he was directly meaning to kill any innocents.  The whole bombing thing 

was an indiscriminate attack against ASZ as a whole and falls under the same area as the Holly Zombification, imo.

 

We know of 2 guys who got the grilled cheese treatment.  Negan even gave Mark's girlfriend Amber 

a chance to save face

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and go back to earning points and she could've been with Mark, but 

she chose to stay with Negan.

 

As for Spencer, I think that's just the way Negan rolls.  He might hate Rick but he respects him.  At least

Negan was nice enough to suggest they clean it up before some kids from ASZ saw Spencer's guts lol.

 

I feel like there was a decent focus on the fact that Negan was "reasonable."  Yes, I realize he was a bully,

but I believed when he said he didn't want to kill Glenn that he was being truthful.  Did the zombie apocalypse

bring out or magnify some unsavory traits in Negan?  Sure, but you can say the same for a lot of the characters.

I think some backstory on Negan and the Saviors will help put Negan in a more positive light.  Sure, Negan's "service"

of clearing out zombies was somewhat of a joke by the time we meet him, but we don't necessarily know how bad 

things were at the point when he started.  It's also clear that Negan was active in that role of actually going outside of 

the Sanctuary and doing stuff, so it wasn't just like he was sitting around and letting the others do all of the work while

he reaped the benefits.


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Although we didn't see it, it was implied that whatever Rick et al did to the Hunters was pretty 
messed up.  Negan bashing Glenn's head in at least had the dual purpose of attempting to 
force Rick into submission and showing them that he didn't mess around.
 
I would actually argue that the whole thing with Holly was the most justified, I mean "all's fair in 
love and war" after all.  And did you miss the part where Rick sends a hoard of zoombies into the Sanctuary?
There were innocent people there as well.  Also, Negan gave the people in the final battle at the Hilltop
a chance to gtfo, so it wasn't like he was directly meaning to kill any innocents.  The whole bombing thing 
was an indiscriminate attack against ASZ as a whole and falls under the same area as the Holly Zombification, imo.
 
We know of 2 guys who got the grilled cheese treatment.  Negan even gave Mark's girlfriend Amber 
a chance to save face

Spoiler
and go back to earning points and she could've been with Mark, but 
she chose to stay with Negan.
 
As for Spencer, I think that's just the way Negan rolls.  He might hate Rick but he respects him.  At least
Negan was nice enough to suggest they clean it up before some kids from ASZ saw Spencer's guts lol.
 
I feel like there was a decent focus on the fact that Negan was "reasonable."  Yes, I realize he was a bully,
but I believed when he said he didn't want to kill Glenn that he was being truthful.  Did the zombie apocalypse
bring out or magnify some unsavory traits in Negan?  Sure, but you can say the same for a lot of the characters.
I think some backstory on Negan and the Saviors will help put Negan in a more positive light.  Sure, Negan's "service"
of clearing out zombies was somewhat of a joke by the time we meet him, but we don't necessarily know how bad 
things were at the point when he started.  It's also clear that Negan was active in that role of actually going outside of 
the Sanctuary and doing stuff, so it wasn't just like he was sitting around and letting the others do all of the work while
he reaped the benefits.


Well written but I have to disagree. What Rick and co. Did to the Hunters was fucked up sure. That's why I said most of their actions was justifiable. But the Hunters were eating people for survival. Negan bashed in Glenn's head because his group dared to challenge his bullying ways and his joke of a system.

Rick also told Negan that he would spare those who gave themselves up. Negan didn't and thus the horde of zombies came along. Holly found herself at Negan's arms, and if Negan was really serious about his new world order he would have gave her back alive instead of trying to take out the innocents who had nothing to do with the war. Rick gave them a choice to spare, Negan didn't give those citizens a choice.

Negan also has the power of being a dictator to the Saviours, so he must have some sort of grip on them from either fear or respect. Amber falls into the fear category, because who knows what Negan would do if she actually went back to Mark. For all we know, Negan would have killed her if she in any way objected to him. And two men having their face grilled is two too many IMO. Negan also says something to the effect of "you know what happens when you break the rules".

Spencer was in a way justified to me, but Negan could have given him an even better punishment of him being alive and facing his consequences (Ironically enough Rick has given Negan this punishment)

And I think Negan clears out these zombies and supports the communities under the pretence of being a reasonably guy. In reality, he is getting off the fact that he power over them. He said to Rick "You just sucked my dick and thanked me for it", which supports my view on that. And he took half of their stuff in that same scene, including a bunch of medicines that could help people. If he was really that reasonable would he have done that? I don't think so.
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You realize Holly Drove a car through their gate to let zombies in? She was very much involved in the war. Just saying.


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You realize Holly Drove a car through their gate to let zombies in? She was very much involved in the war. Just saying.


Oh I know that. But Negan and the saviours seemed to get out of that situation pretty quick, so it probably wasn't a big a deal as it initially appeared to be. And he used Holly to get back at Rick, which ultimately killed several others not even involved in the war.
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Agree with most of this excluding Negan brainwashing Carl into his side and becoming a serial killer. Carl told Negan to go kill himself and jump off a window, plus he would never betray his dad. And just recently he was about to kill him unconscious (but didn't for plot reasons).

Okay that is a stretch, but you never know Negan seemed to have a interest in Carl.. well before Carl shot Lucille that is and while Carl would never betray Rick Negan could try to influence Carl into wrong directions especially now that Rick talked Carl out of shooting Negan and there could be light at the end of the tunnel for Carl, but then again these might be just ramblings of a my crazy mind :D


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i dont have nothing to add to the discussion right now....(I will try too, later if I can)

 

 

But i can add this.

 

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Okay that is a stretch, but you never know Negan seemed to have a interest in Carl.. well before Carl shot Lucille that is and while Carl would never betray Rick Negan could try to influence Carl into wrong directions especially now that Rick talked Carl out of shooting Negan and there could be light at the end of the tunnel for Carl, but then again these might be just ramblings of a my crazy mind :D


Yeah I did think Negan viewed Carl as the son he never had, but Carl is smart enough to not be influenced by Negan (it's a slight possibility though).
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