Issue 117 Review

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Pretty good issue. I lol'd when Negan thought Holly was Andrea aka 'ricks lover' aka 'the sharpshooter' and especially when Holly said her boobs were bigger than Andreas hahahah! Ok I like holly a bit more now. Things are gonna be going really wrong for Rick soon I can feel it. It's interesting to see the more humane side of Negan and that he doesn't want war but peace. Kirkman is really tapping into this moral ambiguity on whether or not Negan is the bad guy or Rick is the bad guy. I like that. I also think my favorite Negan quote happened in this issue when screams am absurdly long chain of swears after the outside herd is too overwhelming for te saviors to take out easily. And I also liked that Negan killed that David guy who tried to rape holly. I was just like shiiiit then Negan comes in and takes care of business. I wonder if Negan will offer Holly a spot in his harem or if he's just going to keep her locked up and question her for intel. And even though Holly has a fancy bra apparently I hope Negan is decent enough to give her some new clothes in the meantime
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"The fastest way to a mans heart is through his vagina"

Nuff said.........
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Hahahaha
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I love negan seriously I hate it that I love that guy
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dude Negan is a freaking bipolar! hahaha

slow but good issue

I hope they get to a resolution, sad to know that at some point Negan will have to die

oh.. and about Ezekiel i guess

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we did see the zeke cover shot, it was just a troll move as the cover didn't show michone helping him out. And he is technically alone...in a leadership capacity. Either way things are going far too well for our band of miscreants.
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we did see the zeke cover shot, it was just a troll move as the cover didn't show michone helping him out. And he is technically alone...in a leadership capacity. Either way things are going far too well for our band of miscreants.

Trolled Again!
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Decent Issue, I enjoyed Negan and Holly's interaction and how Negan thought Holly was Andrea, lol.

This issue felt like more set up...to an extent.

Glad to see Negan and the Saviors struggling for once. They always seem to get the upper hand on every situation that they have dealt with so far and I'm glad to see that Negan for once seems to be stressed and losing his confidence.
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Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past, or the present, are certain to miss the future.

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it's a shame rick and negan couldn't come to an agreement. i don't see what's wrong with the saviors lightening up on the other communities and actually working with them, as opposed to oppressing them and taking half their stuff, thus leading to an inevitable rebellion. of course that wouldn't yield as interesting of a read hah, but fuck man i'm actually starting to care about negan now, his upcoming actions will fix that i'm sure...
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Things are gonna be going really wrong for Rick soon I can feel it. It's interesting to see the more humane side of Negan and that he doesn't want war but peace. Kirkman is really tapping into this moral ambiguity on whether or not Negan is the bad guy or Rick is the bad guy.
I also liked that Negan killed that David guy who tried to rape holly. I was just like shiiiit then Negan comes in and takes care of business. I wonder if Negan will offer Holly a spot in his harem or if he's just going to keep her locked up and question her for intel.

Negan has to be smooth to holly in order to get some intel from her.. she is not afraid to die.. but if he pull the right strings he could convince her about his good intentions and make her join his side...

Negan is a charming person otherwise he couldnt have all that saviors so devoted to him and achieve so many things... Rick might be a good leader but he failed into develope an organziation like Negan ... remember how started "something to fear"... We are all Nega! ... you have to be really good to make all those bikers being so devoted and stand that much shit from him

Kirkman is doing Negan as likeable as the tv show governor.. he might do wrong things but his only purpose is the good of his community
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And Holly has bigger boobies then Andrea!
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One thing I'm wondering after giving it another read is why Holly didn't go along with Negan thinking she was Andrea and was an important person to Rick. She could totally have faked out Negan at least for a while and fed him some bogus intel and make Negan think he was winning before getting whammy' again by Rick. Holly, you done fucked up! Maybe she just doesn't care, afterall she did state she doesn't care if she does and that it would be nice to see Abe again. Oh well
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One thing I'm wondering after giving it another read is why Holly didn't go along with Negan thinking she was Andrea and was an important person to Rick. She could totally have faked out Negan at least for a while and fed him some bogus intel and make Negan think he was winning before getting whammy' again by Rick. Holly, you done fucked up! Maybe she just doesn't care, afterall she did state she doesn't care if she does and that it would be nice to see Abe again. Oh well

The boobs got in the way.......
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And Holly has bigger boobies then Andrea!


True story. I actually burst out laughing when she said she has a couple cup sizes on Andrea. Pretty catty remark, but also pretty funny.
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I found this issue really entertaining! Some of my favorite issues this past year have been when they primarily focus on Negan and the Sanctuary.

Highlights from this issue:
- Negan mistaking Holly for Andrea (cup sizes says it all)
- Michonne and Ezekiel have chemistry (I like them together)
- Rick learning about Shiva (haha, too funny!)
- Seeing the horde of zombies outside the Santuary (such a cool panel)
- Hearing Negan's goal of actually rebuilding society (not such a bad guy when he isn't murdering people)
- The whole end scene with David, Holly, and Negan (brutal)
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Kirkman is really tapping into this moral ambiguity on whether or not Negan is the bad guy or Rick is the bad guy.


Did you not see Negan beat Glenn's brains out with his bat in front of God and everyone?

Did you miss it when Negan cut open that one shit heads stomach?

How about the iron to the face of those two idiots that gave Negan their chicks?


Was all that "ambiguous" to you, or are you living with a clan in Mogadishu where things are....different?
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One thing I'm wondering after giving it another read is why Holly didn't go along with Negan thinking she was Andrea and was an important person to Rick. She could totally have faked out Negan at least for a while and fed him some bogus intel and make Negan think he was winning before getting whammy' again by Rick. Holly, you done fucked up! Maybe she just doesn't care, afterall she did state she doesn't care if she does and that it would be nice to see Abe again. Oh well


Negan was talking about destroy Rick emotionally... and his words were taking a sexual route... Holly might not be afraid of die but she was also saving herself to be rape or cut in pieces to make Rick feel bad... thats why she also mention that Rick barely knows her
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The boobs got in the way.......


Lmao. I'm convinced Kirkman read the 117 cover thread when we were talking about Hollys boobs and added that line in as an Easter egg for us
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Is Negan as bad as Gregory with names? Holly was right in front of Negan during issue 113 while Connor was dealing with Andrea. Makes no sense for him to confuse the two
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Imagine a group of a hundred motorcycles driving down a freeway. Eventually, they hit a junction. One road goes northwest and the other goes northeast. So one guy, we'll call him S, says, "Let's go northwest!" A mile past the intersection, a semi careens into the group and kills ninety of them. Ten are wounded, but they survive and keep going. Eventually, they hit 10,000 miles. S suddenly has his consciousness thrown into his past body right before the junction. Now, he says, "Let's go northeast!" All 100 bikers survive. Happily ever after, right? But what about the ten, no nine, who went northwest and survived? What happens to the reality they were living? Does it just disappear now that S has changed the past? It's not like only bad things happened on that 10,000 mile journey. Maybe one of them fell in love with a gas station attendant and got her pregnant or maybe one adopted a homeless kid that joined the adventure. That 10,000 mile journey would be full of stories. Romances, farewells, friendships...the loss of those ninety lives is horrible and unfortunate, but what would rewriting their history mean? The nine who survived lived full lives and did the best they could with the hand they were dealt. How could it be right to just erase all that? Isn't that worth something? Is there a point to a world where everything is happy? Are people who struggle for a better life just idiots? Being human is about fighting even when it seems hopeless and finding happiness in a world that hates it. Are you saying that's worthless?


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Did you not see Negan beat Glenn's brains out with his bat in front of God and everyone?

Did you miss it when Negan cut open that one shit heads stomach?

How about the iron to the face of those two idiots that gave Negan their chicks?


Was all that "ambiguous" to you, or are you living with a clan in Mogadishu where things are....different?


As a matter of fact....

Haha. I'm not saying Negan hasn't done some atrocious shit - but Rick has too, as I'm sure most people who have survived at this point have had to do. I find it interesting that Negan has these moral codes, but can also do this terrible stuff to people and at the same time has the same goals as Rick which is rebuilding society.
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Is Negan as bad as Gregory with names? Holly was right in front of Negan during issue 113 while Connor was dealing with Andrea. Makes no sense for him to confuse the two


Good catch... Maybe he never got a good look at her and with all the insanity in the moment he forgot?
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it's a shame rick and negan couldn't come to an agreement. i don't see what's wrong with the saviors lightening up on the other communities and actually working with them, as opposed to oppressing them and taking half their stuff, thus leading to an inevitable rebellion. of course that wouldn't yield as interesting of a read hah, but fuck man i'm actually starting to care about negan now, his upcoming actions will fix that i'm sure...

Don't be trolled into caring about Negan you are playing along with Kirkman`s plans !

Negan has to be smooth to holly in order to get some intel from her.. she is not afraid to die.. but if he pull the right strings he could convince her about his good intentions and make her join his side...

Negan is a charming person otherwise he couldnt have all that saviors so devoted to him and achieve so many things... Rick might be a good leader but he failed into develope an organziation like Negan ... remember how started "something to fear"... We are all Nega! ... you have to be really good to make all those bikers being so devoted and stand that much shit from him

Kirkman is doing Negan as likeable as the tv show governor.. he might do wrong things but his only purpose is the good of his community

I beg to differ on the charming part...........He is running the Saviors like a biker gang and biker gangs follow the leader no matter what he says or does.
Think Hells Angels in the ZA.


Also i think its safe to say now we cannot trust these covers !
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As a matter of fact....

Haha. I'm not saying Negan hasn't done some atrocious shit - but Rick has too, as I'm sure most people who have survived at this point have had to do. I find it interesting that Negan has these moral codes, but can also do this terrible stuff to people and at the same time has the same goals as Rick which is rebuilding society.




this........


One question though?



Negan says he doesn't advocate rape, but before Negan bashes a certain character's head in Hh tells Rick that if he steps out of line that he'll have a couple of his boys "run a train on him."

Maybe that was a scare tactic, but for some reason I feel as though Negan wasn't bluffing about that claim.
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Did you not see Negan beat Glenn's brains out with his bat in front of God and everyone?
Did you miss it when Negan cut open that one shit heads stomach?
How about the iron to the face of those two idiots that gave Negan their chicks?
Was all that "ambiguous" to you, or are you living with a clan in Mogadishu where things are....different?


Rick people before that killed like 5 saviors ... so... yeah Negan needed to kill one of Ricks group as punishment ... Glenn had just bad luck.. Negan let them go after that... how many saviors have been survived in Ricks hands? only Dwight ... Rick doesnt take prisioners nor forgive lives ... "you kill... you die" funny it only applies on Ricks enemies

Negan killed spencer because he wont be trusted and he wanted to remove Rick from leadership.. so he might bring a lot of troubles to Negan and one of his suppliers communities.. he needed to kill that douche

Iron to the face? well... all girls volunteer to be part of Negan's harem.. because they wanted live in luxury during the freaking ZA... if they cheat.. they deserve to be punish.. plus this was another way to show everyone no one mess with the leader... the community had rules... same with David and the rape situation ... call it Hamurabi code, wild wild west rules ... but in a ZA situation i guess people will ahve to be hard in things... sometimes do bad things in order to survive and keep the community together.. thats why Douglas Monroe let Rick be the leader in Alexandria... and thats why no one likes Gregory

not that i'm agreed with all of that in our society but in the fiction they are facing a survival situation
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this........


One question though?



Negan says he doesn't advocate rape, but before Negan bashes a certain character's head in Hh tells Rick that if he steps out of line that he'll have a couple of his boys "run a train on him."

Maybe that was a scare tactic, but for some reason I feel as though Negan wasn't bluffing about that claim.


I think I recall him saying a couple issues later that he was bluffing about the whole train running
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