The Governor's Reason For Being At The Prison

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Remember, Martinez was pissed at having to retreat from the prison. He just frowned upon The governor going Stalin on his own people. To weaken the prison, guys from the camp are luring zombies to the walls with rats...figuring they can retake the prison once the zombies break into the prison.


This is why I don't like the whole Mole using rats theory. If it's someone at the prison, he can just poison their food or slit people's throats while they sleep. Why destroy the very thing you LIKE about the prison?

If it's someone sneaking in, then their security is SOOOOOOO BAD that you could sneak in a couple of people to start killing and rounding up instead.
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I see WHY everyone would want the prison but considering its being held by a heavily armed group with an unknown amount of group members, you would think they would head to a different prison (or a jailhouse, detention center,etc)....i mean Martinez an them are out on the road anyways, why not spend that time looking for a different, secure prison-esque building?? Obviously that wouldnt be any fun for us, the viewers lol but still....I know i wouldnt want to go against a large,heavily armed group that made us retreat once already, id be scared that the 2nd time i wouldnt be so lucky to escape with my life


The Governor is very determined. He (or old Governor) seems to be driven by revenge. He'll attack the prison, even if he does not want to be there ... just to get back at Rick.

Finding another prison would be a good idea.
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There is no possible way the Governor is there in the name of peace. His ego simply wouldn't allow him to ever surrender, especially to the people that cost him Woodbury and killed his (zombie) daughter. He not only killed several members of their group, they also know he murdered his own army as well, so there's no way Rick's group could ever trust him and he knows that. The truth is, he would know that there would be conflict the second he showed himself to the prison, so why go unless conflict is what you want?

He's surveying the area, probably for an imminent attack. The next episode will probably show us how he got to that point.

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Obviously a lone apartment building was secure enough for Tara & Lilly. Why look for another prison. Find a nice apartment building. I repeat. TG is a psychopath. Apply logic to his reasons is a waste of time. Just except the fact he is and does as he does.
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I think he's at the prison looking for a safe place to leave them. Obviously, Rick and co. will not let him stay, he's done too much for them to forget.


But, if this WD season is about "can you come back", wouldn't Rick be willing to negotiate in some way? It's one thing to kill someone in the moment of self defense, it's completely different to execute someone for their past crimes - particularly if they are remorseful. If carol had shown any remorse when she was out with Rick, he may not have banished her, but she was heartless.
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But, if this WD season is about "can you come back", wouldn't Rick be willing to negotiate in some way? It's one thing to kill someone in the moment of self defense, it's completely different to execute someone for their past crimes - particularly if they are remorseful. If carol had shown any remorse when she was out with Rick, he may not have banished her, but she was heartless.


No, if Rick wouldn't let Carol come back to the prison, there's no way he would let in the Governor. He doesn't bring in anybody he deems to be a threat, hence his system of three questions to hopefully weed out the psychos. We know the Governor is crazy, has a personal vendetta against the prison and everybody there, and has already attacked the place twice. Even if Philip came walking up like, "I feel really bad about all of that, but I want to negotiate a truce!" do you think Rick or any of them could ever believe that? He's murdered some people from their group and then tried to kill them all, knowing full well Rick had children there. If Rick told Carol he didn't want her there because she was possibly a threat to Judy and Carl, there's just no possible way he would even consider letting the Governor waltz in there after his mass-murdering spree, whether he felt guilty or not. And even besides Rick, Daryl or Michonne would probably kill the Governor as soon as they saw him, not to mention that none of the former Woodbury residents would want him around, either.
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With the divergence from the comic, and the fact they are making The Governor more... human than his comic book self, what could be the reason TG is at the prison?? We all assume revenge, but if he bounded with this girl Megan and her mom and aunt (Tara and Lilly), maybe he's at the prison for another reason??

We all assume there is a mole in the prison for him, especially due to the rats? What if we are wrong about this, and the rat feeder is unrelated) What if he goes there for help? They seem to show he's a dedicated father ( To the point of extreme denial and risking his life for Megan ) Maybe he goes there in such a desperate bid to help her, that he's willing to HELP them?

I don't know how likely it is, but can you imagine the opportunity for storytelling if Rick becomes indebted to The Governor?

He didn't look angry or demented in the shot of him surveying the prison. It crossed my mind that they may be setting us up for the big twist of having him basically just negotiate Tara, Lilly and Megan into the place and he'll just agree to leave or whatever, because obviously he couldn't integrate into their group. But I don't think the writers are confident enough to go in that direction. Perhaps he just assumes control of the group Martinez leads and manipulates them into being his new army? That seems like the most likely place they're steering the season's plot towards, to be honest.
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He didn't look angry or demented in the shot of him surveying the prison. It crossed my mind that they may be setting us up for the big twist of having him basically just negotiate Tara, Lilly and Megan into the place and he'll just agree to leave or whatever, because obviously he couldn't integrate into their group. But I don't think the writers are confident enough to go in that direction. Perhaps he just assumes control of the group Martinez leads and manipulates them into being his new army? That seems like the most likely place they're steering the season's plot towards, to be honest.


That's my guess as well, but it would be nice to see Rick have to swallow crow and allow TG's new family safe sanctuary (If not him as well) In exchange for help they CAN'T be without. OMG.... Just thought of this... What if this is how it STARTS? The Governor sincerely trying to negotiate Lilly, Tara, and Megan's safe acceptance in exchange for help, Rick saying to come back so he can think on it and Michonne tracks him down and cuts him up (Comic spoiler)
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And Lilly patches him up (She's a Doc of some kind right?) So now TG goes for revenge and storms the prison (Comic Spoiler)
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That's one way to write and combine what we want to see with those wanting to see TG redeemed AND attack the prison.
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Rick's dislike of the Governor may be tempered by the fact that like him, he's been in that very dark/crazy place after tremendous loss. That may be enough to move Rick to negotiate rather than simply put a bullet in Gov's head.

Judging from last episode, Governor/Brian has traveled further on the road to recovery than Morgan. Rick may recognize that.
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Maybe he'll just surrender himself in exchange for amnesty for Lily, Tara and Megan. He'll redeem himself to some degree and pay for his sins simultaneously.
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He KILLED ANDREA.

I repeat, KILLED ANDREA.

Even if Rick did allow him in, TG is gonna get killed by Daryl or Michonne.


No way hes allowed at the prison! An if he is, i will be EXTREMELY dissapointed in the show. If rick allowed him back, he'll go from my fav character to my most hated!

Carol killed 2 sick,dying people in an attempt to save the rest of the group but he'll let in a cold blooded killer who killed Axel, Andrea, tried to kill michonne an damn near raped maggie!? UNBELIEVABLE
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The Guv would not be unable to pass the 3 question test.


Not to mention that even though Michonne is angry if she sees the Guv she will cut him down beacuse, "that's the way it has to be"
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I agree I was lost when I came up with the "lori is still alive" theory, but for the ones believing Rick could forgive and consider other factors regarding letting TG into the prison . . . come on man!. lol
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I don't think there is any way TG will EVER be allowed in the prison. I think most of us agree on that. I'm just wondering if TG is there for any reason OTHER than fighting. Just cause Rick won't let him in doesn't mean TG isn't there to TRY to get in.
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If you remember, In Season 3 The Guv and Merle were talking about the prison and the The Guv indicated he had previously expressed interest in the prison. Merle was the one who said it couldn't be "Cleared".

The Guv also saw the strategic advantage of the Prison first hand because where as Rick's crew infiltrated Woodbury with ease, The Guv army was unable to take the prison.
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Rick Who many walkers have you killed?
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The Gov may have originally had the idea of taking his new family to the prison just because it's the only place he knows might be safe- just dropping them off at the gate.

Coming across Martinez and presumably another gang will have changed his mind- he takes over, sends an infiltrator in (Bob!) and will try to take the prison again- maybe by using Tara and Lily as "live bait"
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