Confused at those saying it was too predictable. Everyone complains that it has deviated too far from the comics, yet the one episode it stays pretty true to the comics people say it's too predictable.

I should come to the realization that people will always find something to complain about.

GOVERNOR: You watched me murder dozens of people for no reason in cold blood. Do you trust me enough to stay at your camp?

MARTINEZ: Sure!

GOVERNOR: I just murdered your brother. How about being my faithful right- hand man?

MIKE: Okay.

GOVERNOR: (To crowd) People have been disappearing under mysterious circumstances since I've arrived. Whaddaya say to me running the place?

CROWD: Okay.

Prediction for future episode:

GOVERNOR: There's a nearby prison full of battle- hardened, heavily armed individuals that you have no beef with. Whaddaya say we attack them?

CROWD: Okay.

Dear Beth,

 

That's how you attack someone with scissors.

 

Sincerely,

Jessie

I'm great with 16, I just wish they had a season opener that was 2 hours and a finale that was 2 hours....without 265 bullshit commercials in each episode as well.

If someone could make a gif of Carl running into the door and falling over, I will love you forever and shower you with upvotes

 

I didn't make this, but here you go:

 

Did Michonne really have character development, though? The writers mostly just added some depth to her character by showing her past (which is a good thing)

You could see her emotion. She was finally actually grieving for her family instead of being all closed off. She retreated to her closed in self when she made her two new pets but then snapped out of it and retaliated. Her joining the group of walkers represented how she was pretty much a zombie herself, emotionally. Then she realizes what she is doing and reacts and kills them all. When she sees Rick and Carl through the window, she has a moment to decide if she wants to go in or just keep walking. She chooses to knock on the door. She chose not to be alone, not to be a living walker. I think that's some pretty darn good character development.

I enjoyed the episode. I think Morgan is outta there; he's not going to be able to live with everyone else knowing that a willingness to kill to protect the group is part of the equation. I agree with whoever said this was just a Wolves drop-in - I don't think that was all of them, and I think they deliberately waited until the majority of the group was gone, planning on doing an ambush/recon and be gone before the rest got back. They didn't anticipate any problems because pretty well everyone useful was gone with Rick.

 

Carol was her usual badass self, responding instinctively and without qualms. I'm glad they showed her getting emotional at the end, as it's more in keeping with her character for her to be affected by the things she has to keep doing, even if she only shows it when no one is around to see it.

 

Morgan was his usual badass self, taking people down but not killing (which is obviously going to bite him in the ass, especially since one of the running Wolves got a gun). Addressing how he 'conveniently ended up back at Alexandria before everyone else', you may recall that Rick dispatched him back to town to let them know what happened after the truck fell and they had to put the plan into play early - though mainly because Rick knew he was going to have to put down the Alexandrite that was bitten, and didn't want Morgan around.

 

Not sure what is going on with Enid, but Ron's bit was pretty obvious - he's pissed at Carl not just because Enid likes him, but because Carl's father killed his father. I'd imagine he'd also be pretty worried about his mother and brother in a situation like that, and be somewhat offended that Carl assumed he needed to be kept safe.

 

I'm not sure why people who don't care for the show feel the need to degrade the characters by referencing them being middle aged, fat, broomstick swinging, etc. Carol's age has never affected her negatively - on the contrary, she's been the most useful of the bunch. The staff is an extremely old and effective weapon, so I can't see what denigrating it accomplishes. Nor can I see what Denise's weight has to do with her effectiveness as a doctor. Seriously, if you have criticism about the show, by all means, voice it - it's worth talking about. Consider leaving the childish insults out of it though, and people might take it more seriously.

This season would have been 100000x better with Andrea, honestly. They could have had so many more storylines with her if she was still in the show. Now I'm waiting 7 months for another season without her where people like Sasha are gonna be prancing around in her weak plot armor to upset and ruin Tyreese with her inevitable death.

I respect your posts but honestly, it's time to move on. The show can't undo Andrea's death and if they did retcon it, it would be worse than when they killed her off in the first place. 

 

Complaining about Season 4 because Andrea isn't in it shouldn't be a criticism because there was no possible chance she would be

Someone on tumblr noticed this connection:

 

 

 

 

First off it's sad to see Tyreese go, however it was a beautifully filmed and extremely well acted episode. The scenario of "good and evil" battling over a character's "soul" has been filmed many times before. This episode was very well done though. All in all it was very touching. A great send off for a good and gentle character who found his strength and true course at the end of his life. I couldn't ask for more.   

Fuck you Mazzara.
That's my review

Jesus, a priest and a lesbian are sitting in a car....

So a Ringleader, an Archer, a Samurai, and a kid walk into a boxcar.

 

 

Too bad we have to wait several months to hear the punchline.

Alright, where to start..

Noah I think would be a good place to start. What a great acting job he did. Best job of getting eaten alive I've seen. They did that scene very well, so I hope he's stoked that he went out on a good note.

I'm gunna miss his character a lot, really liked him. Glenns acting during that scene was great too.

Now, on to what gets me really, really mad.

There were too many black characters on the show, so they had to kill a few off to make way for Morgan. They've done this before with T-Dog and then that prisoner (I can't remember his name, sorry). It's obvious, it's annoying, and I'm pretty sure it's racist.

They need to Fucking stop, because it's killing a part of this show for me. I'm not even a "sensitive about race" type person, but this kinda thing drives me crazy. /rant

Other than that though, I thought this episode was great. Who else but Carol to know that domestic abuse was going on? Also, I was totally surprised how they made her creepy, murder worthy scene obsolete in just a minute. Really good writing for the most part this ep.

I normally don't get into the whole race topic but I have to disagree with you.

I'm not understanding why people keep bringing up the race issue? Many white characters have died too but no one seems to make a big deal. There are plenty of strong black characters left, Michonne, Sasha and not to mention Glenn who is also a minority (and the ONLY Asian on the show btw.) Gale Hurd specifically addressed this and made a point that many of the characters aren't even black in the comics (eg. Bob, Noah) but they casted black actors becauSe they are good actors not because the colour of their skin. If people could stop making everything a racial issue then you'd enjoy the show a lot more.
My 2 cents.

pg 13 ... geez nothing to complain about IMO 

... pretty strange tho ... the violence of the show is ok ... but "moaning" in a scene with nothing shown

 

"oh no"!

Rick claimed the fuck out of Joe's jugular.

It’s not even that she died. It’s the way she died. No redemption, no attempt at giving her a proper death. Let’s just have fucking zombie MILTON bite her and that's it. Then give her some fucking bullshit lines and have her kill herself.

They treated her like shit all season, and then this is what we get in the end? Merle gets to die a hero, but Andrea, one of the pillars of the Walking Dead, gets treated like a freaking piece of meat in the end.

I’m so fucking LIVID.

It fails because Woodbury doesn't matter.

In the comics, Woodbury wasn't a town. I mean, it was literally, but in the comics Woodbury was just an alliteration for The Governor. Woodbury was that town where the Governor lived and it was NEVER focused on. Woodbury was just the enemy and we never had to deal with any of its stupid residents, save for a few cronies here and there. We saw the Woodbury army attacking the prison twice, we saw the zombie arena, but that was it. There was practically no Woodbury in the comics and that worked, because you always got the feeling the Prison was fighting this mythical enemy. The group never knew what they were up against, they didn't know how big Woodbury was, the people in it. Robert Kirkman keeping Woodbury away in the dark made things so much more exciting, because the audience didn't know what the prison was up against. It was just like, "well, Woodbury could be 10 people, or it could be 100 people, or 1,000 people." We never knew what Woodbury was hiding, and that made it all the more exciting and intriguing.

And it also gave Kirkman a chance to finally TRULY develop ALL the characters and bring them to their true selves.

Woodbury doesn't work on the show because the show has tried to humanize Woodbury and I'm sorry, I don't care about Woodbury's humanization. I don't care about Milton, Karen, Haley, Tom (or whatever the asthma kid's name was). These people are just wasting my time. I feel like the writers just use them as filler. Don't give me Milton if you're not going to develop him and he's just gonna say some lines here and there.

It's kind of ironic that the ONLY Comic Woodbury resident that actually mattered and became important to the prison, Alice, was never introduced to the show. Having Alice would be SO MUCH better than having to deal with the constant stream of Woodbury residents that no one gives a shit about.

Woodbury feels like a cop out, like Mazzara just didn't have enough material for the prison, so he needed to introduce this other universe to fill in the gaps. I can just picture the writer's room:

Writer 1: Oh, shit, guys. Why is Merle at the prison? Why would the prison accept Merle? I feel like we should explore this.
Writer 2: We still have 18 minutes to cover.
Mazzara: Hmmm.... Well, Merle needs to be at the prison because of reasons.
Writer 1: .... Glen, it just doesn't make any sense that--
Mazzara: Just cut to a Woodbury resident.
Writer 3: What?
Writer 2: Who?
Mazzara: That one... with the dark hair.
Writer 1: ... Who are we talking about?
Writer 3: You mean Penny?
Writer 4: Dude, Penny's a walker.
Writer 2: Glen, we killed Haley and we can't give Martinez any humanity because character depth is just not our thing, remember?
Mazzara: Hmm. Okay, easy. Just give Karen some lines.
Writer 1: ...What?
Writer 2: Who the fuck is Karen?
Writer 3: Don't you mean Haley?
Writer 1: No, we just killed Haley.
Writer 4: Who the fuck is Haley? We have a character named Haley?
Mazzara: Just give some lines to Karen.
Writer 2: Glen... who's Karen?
Mazzara: She's in Woodbury, okay? She's just like... a girl in Woodbury. Do I have to do all the thinking?
Writer 1: ...
Writer 2: ...
Writer 3: ...
Writer 4: ...Glen, can you just explain what it is you want us to do?
Mazzara: LOL look guys. I got a rubber pencil going on here.

As many of you have all ready seen, we have had several guesses, predictions, comic-based conjectures that we may see the subject of rape being broached by the show.

I am asking everyone to keep that talk classy, upscale and not act like little juvenile horn dogs with bullshit of "Haha I'd let <insert character> rape me all day long" comments. It's not a joking subject. Don't turn these threads or discussions into that. It's one thing to say "I support the Governor's decision to have Maggie with no shirt." but another to go into details of how they could film the scene or how they could make it so it could be pleasurable to watch.

I and the rest of the forum staff have all ready warned and temporarily suspended posting privileges of those idiots and if they return and continue to be idiots, my boot will show them the door out the forum. And rest assured, that same boot will gladly show you the same door they went out if you decide to act like them.

We must be respectful of everyone here. And I've all ready been approached by victims of that crime that post here about what has been posted previously. Please be smarter then a junior high school student when we broach this or any other sensitive subject like that.

Thank you. You may resume your postings.